MSN Search Advice for a Novice

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:25:59 GMT, catherine yronwode
<cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com> wrote:

The fact that only 58 pages at geocities.com are indexed by
msn would almost have to speak to some sort of ban or
exclusion -- how could the 2,870,000 pages that google finds
in that domain be reduced to a mere 58 by msn?

Of my 50 odd thousand pages from my literature sites there's about 20
pages indexed!!

The bot has spidered many more though, but generally I'm seeing one or
two page per domain/sub domain.

When I was tracking a new domain http://www.charles-dickens.org/ last
month within the first week the bot spidered these-

----------from an earlier post--------------
MSNbot is now hitting the site-

65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:18:59:19 -0500] "GET /robots.txt
HTTP/1.0" 200 0 "-" "msnbot/0.11 (+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:18:59:19 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200
10710 "-" "msnbot/0.11 (+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"

65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:19:42:08 -0500] "GET /the-lamplighter/
HTTP/1.0" 200 7520 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:19:43:51 -0500] "GET /hunted-down/
HTTP/1.0" 200 7466 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:19:45:02 -0500] "GET /no-thoroughfare/
HTTP/1.0" 200 7634 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:19:46:18 -0500] "GET
/great-expectations/ HTTP/1.0" 200 8055 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:19:50:20 -0500] "GET /little-dorrit/
HTTP/1.0" 200 7575 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:19:51:24 -0500] "GET
/somebodys-luggage/ HTTP/1.0" 200 7774 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:19:52:06 -0500] "GET
/david-copperfield/ HTTP/1.0" 200 7637 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:19:52:48 -0500] "GET
/miscellaneous-papers/ HTTP/1.0" 200 7493 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:19:53:27 -0500] "GET /oliver-twist/
HTTP/1.0" 200 7464 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:19:54:02 -0500] "GET /doctor-marigold/
HTTP/1.0" 200 8399 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:19:54:36 -0500] "GET /holiday-romance/
HTTP/1.0" 200 7504 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:19:55:06 -0500] "GET /the-chimes/
HTTP/1.0" 200 7360 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:19:55:40 -0500] "GET /mugby-junction/
HTTP/1.0" 200 7672 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:19:56:08 -0500] "GET /hard-times/
HTTP/1.0" 200 7495 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:19:56:31 -0500] "GET /reprinted-pieces/
HTTP/1.0" 200 8021 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:19:57:00 -0500] "GET /bleak-house/
HTTP/1.0" 200 7351 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:20:46:17 -0500] "GET
/mugby-junction/pages.html HTTP/1.0" 200 2226 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:20:47:26 -0500] "GET
/the-chimes/pages.html HTTP/1.0" 200 3084 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:20:48:41 -0500] "GET
/oliver-twist/pages.html HTTP/1.0" 200 4247 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:20:49:52 -0500] "GET
/miscellaneous-papers/pages.html HTTP/1.0" 200 2644 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
65.54.164.128 - - [13/Jun/2004:21:46:19 -0500] "GET
/the-chimes/index.asp HTTP/1.0" 200 7360 "-" "msnbot/0.11
(+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
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site:charles-dickens.org gives one page, the home page!

What we have here is a joke, a pathetic failure, and a
laughingstock

Maybe they are doing the opposite of Google and going for the smallest
index. Google boasts 6 billion pages indexed, MSN 6 pages :-))

David
--
http://www.search-engine-optimization-services.co.uk/

catherine yronwode <cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com> wrote in news:40ED075D.A6DBCF68
@luckymojo.com:

So i checked a few other domains at semi-random. The number
of pages msn indexes for each of those domains are as follows:

site:dmoz.org 15 pages (google lists 444,000 pages)
site:google.com 169 pages

That's because the site:domain.dom command doesn't work like that, not
because that's the actual number of pages from that domain in their index.

site:dmoz.org gives me 17 pages.

But
site:dmoz.org kittens

gives me 4 more pages, none of them appearing on the previous list.

site:dmoz.org bats

gives me a further subset of pages, and so on. It's still not complete,
but there is more in there than you see on first inspection.

Victoria
--
Clare Associates Ltd
http://www.clareassoc.co.uk/
01822 835802
--

catherine yronwode <cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com> wrote

JollyMon wrote:


I'm having no luck whatsoever getting picked up at all by MSN. I've
submitted repeatedly thru their free submission, and I'm linked
from a number of websites already included in MSN, but nothing
seems to work. I'd appreciate any advice for getting picked up by
MSN. Thanks.

See the thread titled
How can i attract the msn.com robot?
So far, only one person -- news /
jayNOSPAM (AT) tequila-stuff (DOT) com -- has even attempted to post a
reasonable reply. Everyone else just made jokes about money
and microsoft's notorious monoploy techniques.

Jay claimed to have gotten a site listed without having to
pay. What i want are some real answers -- how many people
here in this newsgroup have sites that are included in msn?
Did they pay? Did they submit through the free submission
form? Were their entire sites crawled or was the crawling
partial?

cat yronwode

Lucky Mojo Curio Co. http://www.luckymojo.com/catalogue.html

Having started this thread, I feel compelled to jump back in, despite
a serious case of ignorance. <G> First, thanks for all the responses,
at least now I don't feel so bad. I've got about 10 other url's listed
in MSN. They've been around for quite awhile and for most of them only
2 pages have been picked up. None of them are paid, most of them were
submitted from the free submission site, but I doubt that's how they
got listed. For some reason, they usually rank pretty high in related
searches, which is surprising. The frustration is that my latest url
is being ignored completely by MSN, despite efforts to get listed. My
question, how can I reasonably ignore MSN, given that the latest
survey I saw listed them as the 4th most used search engine, and
moving up?

catherine yronwode <cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com> wrote in
news:40ECDB04.B18BD28A (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com:

how many people
here in this newsgroup have sites that are included in msn?

Yes. Many. Most. All but recent launches. Did not pay.

Have not noticed any special problem getting content indexed, apart from
obviously dynamic URLS, though I mostly focus on MSN UK if I am looking at
it at all.

MSN seems to like to list the home page in search results, thus giving a
false impression that that is the only one listed.
Victoria
--
Clare Associates Ltd
http://www.clareassoc.co.uk/
01822 835802
--

C.W. wrote:

"In July, the format of the site will change--and so will the quality
of what you get--and the way it'll look is dramatically improved,"
Gates said. "It'll be later this year that we actually roll out what's
entirely our own back-end driving the search".

A mate of mine works at Microsoft, he tells me that Bill Gates uses
Google for web searches. Go figure.

in article 40ECDB04.B18BD28A (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com, catherine yronwode at
cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com wrote on 07/07/2004 10:16 PM:

how many people
here in this newsgroup have sites that are included in msn?
Did they pay? Did they submit through the free submission
form? Were their entire sites crawled or was the crawling
partial?

Yep, my site is in msn... you just have to have content and you will be
picked up. I am at the top or within the top 5 for many relevant search
terms.

Content is the key.

Search for:

Logo Artist.

Certificate design

Certificate borders

Stock Certificate Art

Graphic Artist




--
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com

"catherine yronwode" <cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com> wrote

JollyMon wrote:


What i want are some real answers -- how many people
here in this newsgroup have sites that are included in msn?
Did they pay? Did they submit through the free submission
form? Were their entire sites crawled or was the crawling
partial?

First, we need clarification. Are you talking about the current MSN search,
based on the Ink database, or the beta MSN search being built around the
MSNbot database?

Msnbot has hammered the bejesus out of my site for the past two months,
ususally sapping at least double the bandwidth the g-bot did. I figured
something good had to come from it. When I saw the beta search results I
couldn't believe how bad they were. I know my niche very well. Top SERPs
went to a lot of nobodies with little content. Absolutely no authority
sites at all. I mean, if they were trying to beat the optimized sites, they
would have done much better to give weight to .gov and .edu tld's.

Msnbot found me on its own.

Now, as far as the Ink driven results, I have always done well
there....after the paid ads. God knows there are a lot of paid ads. But,
if you aim for enough small traffic search terms, which gets by most of the
paid results, MSN can generate a decent trickle of traffic.

John Merrell
Gateway Farm Alpacas
http://www.gateway-alpacas.com

Victoria Clare wrote:

That's because the site:domain.dom command doesn't work like that, not
because that's the actual number of pages from that domain in their index.

That's my experience too, practically all the 1000 pages of my site are
indexed if you type the right search terms. MSN is still poor for
relevance though, they seem to have broken the Yahoo results they use.

Gateway Farm wrote:

Msnbot has hammered the bejesus out of my site for the past two months,

I noticed that too, plus a few other bots working overtime. This is the
battle of the bots.

When I saw the beta search results I couldn't believe how bad they were.

Yeah MSN beta search sucks... maybe they will fix it sometime but for
now it is just hype.