Moving Hosting company - whats the best way without screwing SERPS

On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 02:16:26 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
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__/ [ Paul ] on Sunday 03 September 2006 19:51 \__

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:56:16 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
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Also be sure to use Netcraft and see who /else/ is on your IP address,
assuming you share server/addresses. You don't want the same server to give
Google an online shop, a casino and a woody.

Best wishes,

Roy

Hi Roy.
I could do that, and the could be clean, but what if in 6 months they're not ?

If you can't beat them, join them?

Good idea. I could copy your site and go for a dupe content penalty
<G>

Got a stash to upload? *LOL*

You bet ! LOL
plh
Paul

Best wishes,

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Paul <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 3 Sep 2006 20:28:33 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

[..]

I am interested in the outcome, since I am somewhat in the same club
:-)

You're not with 1plan as well are you ?

No, but hosting is a bit like web design :-D.

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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:17:02 +0100, Paul
<lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi All
I am really pissed with my hosting company. If its not the site that
goes down, its the shopping cart, if its not that, then its the email
servers.

I am thinking of moving to http://www.marblehost.com [If any good/bad
news about them, I would like to hear]

No idea :-)

They do not use cart32, so I may plan to host the cart cart32
directly, with an extra cost. This is so I do not have to re-write the
site.

Now, what is the best way to move hosting company ?
I want it to be seemless to the user, and not to screw up SERPS.
Is it possible, or will it be months before I recover ?

Moving hosts can (and should) be seamless. Get the new host to setup
the domain hosting etc... on their server and upload all necessary
files etc... test that the site works (will be able to do that via the
new IP address, ask the new host how). When you are satisfied the site
works correctly update the current DNS settings to the new hosts
server then wait for propagation of the new DNS (usually under 24hrs)
before deleting the files on the old server (though no harm in leaving
them up as well).

If the old host also controls your domain you'll probably want to
transfer the domain to either the new host (not the way I'd do it as
if they go down, you have problems regaining control of the domain
also they tend to charge more for registration!) or better yet to a
domain registrar like Godaddy (not recommending them, just an
example). With the latter you then have complete control of the
domains DNS etc... and can change things at a moments notice (also
cheaper registration fees in my experience).

When done correctly you'll notice no downtime and no loss in SERPs. If
there is downtime (one of the hosts screws up) you run the risk of
SERPs problems just like if you deleted your site for X number of
days/hours. Switching hosts per se does not effect rankings.

Switching IP addresses (which you will do when switching hosts) will
not result in SERPs problems, in my experience Google doesn't track IP
addressees per se. It may monitor particular ranges when it's found
some that use particular techniques Google doesn't like, but just
switching IP addresses isn't an issue.

First time I did what you are doing (my first domain was held by the
host like yours is so had no direct control over the DNS settings
etc...) I was also worried and asked here and other places what to do
and if it could hurt ranking :-)

I first bought a dedicated server, setup hosting, DNS etc... for the
site on the new server (so I was the host). Uploaded the site, tested
it and then got the old host to change the DNS settings to point to my
dedicated server. Later on I transferred the domain to a registrar
(Registerfly) that gave me complete control over DNS etc...

I've setup hosting for about 200 sites on my dedicated server now and
it's really easy. I use three registrars Godaddy, Registerfly and more
recently 123-reg (UK based). Have clients sites and friends sites on
the server as well and 9 out of 10 times these have been transferred
from another host similar to what you want to do and in every case
we've not seen ranking problems afterwards.

plh
Paul

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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:56:23 GMT, David
<seodave (AT) search-engine-optimization-services (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

I am thinking of moving to http://www.marblehost.com [If any good/bad
news about them, I would like to hear]

Hi Dave

No idea :-)

No worries. By the look of it, they offer 300gb a year. I was hoping
to have that a month.

Moving hosts can (and should) be seamless. Get the new host to setup
the domain hosting etc... on their server and upload all necessary
files etc... test that the site works (will be able to do that via the
new IP address, ask the new host how). When you are satisfied the site
works correctly update the current DNS settings to the new hosts
server then wait for propagation of the new DNS (usually under 24hrs)
before deleting the files on the old server (though no harm in leaving
them up as well).

Thank you for that. I shall bear that in mind if I move in future.
Looks like I am stuck here for a while. I just cannot afford more to
pay, or get less for what I am paying already. I thought it was too
good to be true <G>

If the old host also controls your domain you'll probably want to
transfer the domain to either the new host (not the way I'd do it as
if they go down, you have problems regaining control of the domain
also they tend to charge more for registration!) or better yet to a
domain registrar like Godaddy (not recommending them, just an
example). With the latter you then have complete control of the
domains DNS etc... and can change things at a moments notice (also
cheaper registration fees in my experience).

All I know about that is, if you host with them, they will pay for
your domain, but you do own it. So they may charge something for the
registration etc.

When done correctly you'll notice no downtime and no loss in SERPs. If
there is downtime (one of the hosts screws up) you run the risk of
SERPs problems just like if you deleted your site for X number of
days/hours. Switching hosts per se does not effect rankings.

Cool.

Switching IP addresses (which you will do when switching hosts) will
not result in SERPs problems, in my experience Google doesn't track IP
addressees per se. It may monitor particular ranges when it's found
some that use particular techniques Google doesn't like, but just
switching IP addresses isn't an issue.

Phew !

First time I did what you are doing (my first domain was held by the
host like yours is so had no direct control over the DNS settings
etc...) I was also worried and asked here and other places what to do
and if it could hurt ranking :-)

I am not alone then

I first bought a dedicated server, setup hosting, DNS etc... for the
site on the new server (so I was the host). Uploaded the site, tested
it and then got the old host to change the DNS settings to point to my
dedicated server. Later on I transferred the domain to a registrar
(Registerfly) that gave me complete control over DNS etc...

I've setup hosting for about 200 sites on my dedicated server now and
it's really easy. I use three registrars Godaddy, Registerfly and more
recently 123-reg (UK based). Have clients sites and friends sites on
the server as well and 9 out of 10 times these have been transferred
from another host similar to what you want to do and in every case
we've not seen ranking problems afterwards.

If you have any American Indian or Jewelry sites, let me know

plh
Paul

David

plh
Paul

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On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 03:11:59 +0100, Paul
<lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:56:23 GMT, David
seodave (AT) search-engine-optimizat...es (DOT) co.uk> wrote:


I am thinking of moving to http://www.marblehost.com [If any good/bad
news about them, I would like to hear]

Hi Dave

No idea :-)

No worries. By the look of it, they offer 300gb a year. I was hoping
to have that a month.

You can get a dedicated server from the place I use
http://www.server4you.net/us/ with 700GB a month for about $50 a month
and they have no setup fee right now!

http://www.server4you.net/us/dedicat...php?products=0

If you plan to go over 100 domains don't use Plesk (I did) and it
costs $20 extra a month for having over 100 domains. Ensim free allows
unlimited domains.

They used to offer cheap hosting with a lot of bandwidth, but can't
find it now.

Moving hosts can (and should) be seamless. Get the new host to setup
the domain hosting etc... on their server and upload all necessary
files etc... test that the site works (will be able to do that via the
new IP address, ask the new host how). When you are satisfied the site
works correctly update the current DNS settings to the new hosts
server then wait for propagation of the new DNS (usually under 24hrs)
before deleting the files on the old server (though no harm in leaving
them up as well).

Thank you for that. I shall bear that in mind if I move in future.
Looks like I am stuck here for a while. I just cannot afford more to
pay, or get less for what I am paying already. I thought it was too
good to be true <G

If your current host is letting you down you should find a new one.

If the old host also controls your domain you'll probably want to
transfer the domain to either the new host (not the way I'd do it as
if they go down, you have problems regaining control of the domain
also they tend to charge more for registration!) or better yet to a
domain registrar like Godaddy (not recommending them, just an
example). With the latter you then have complete control of the
domains DNS etc... and can change things at a moments notice (also
cheaper registration fees in my experience).

All I know about that is, if you host with them, they will pay for
your domain, but you do own it. So they may charge something for the
registration etc.

Registering a domain now can be as low as $2 a year during special
offers! Worse case scenario if you do it yourself is under $10 (so
about £5 a year) unless you use a rip off company as some will charge
a lot. I keep getting letters from Nominet (I think they control
..co.uk domains) and they charge £80 (£94 plus VAT) for uk domains!
Obviously I don't pay them, I go with companies like Godaddy.

So the money you are paying monthly will be mostly for the hosting as
the host will be paying about £5 a year for registration!

<snip>

First time I did what you are doing (my first domain was held by the
host like yours is so had no direct control over the DNS settings
etc...) I was also worried and asked here and other places what to do
and if it could hurt ranking :-)

I am not alone then

No, lots of people worry about this one.

I've setup hosting for about 200 sites on my dedicated server now and
it's really easy. I use three registrars Godaddy, Registerfly and more
recently 123-reg (UK based). Have clients sites and friends sites on
the server as well and 9 out of 10 times these have been transferred
from another host similar to what you want to do and in every case
we've not seen ranking problems afterwards.

If you have any American Indian or Jewelry sites, let me know

Just one and it's an Amazon store and Google has filtered it.

If you are looking for some relevant links drop me an email at
david(at)seo-gold.com and I'm sure I'll have some relevant pages we
can swap links from. For example I noticed you have poem links in your
sig, I have some pages with poems (somewhere, where did I put them?
:-)).

plh
Paul

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On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:28:10 GMT, David
<seodave (AT) search-engine-optimization-services (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

[...]

You can get a dedicated server from the place I use
http://www.server4you.net/us/ with 700GB a month for about $50 a month
and they have no setup fee right now!

I wish I had $50 a month to spend. Until my appeal comes up - which
could be up to 6 months, I am on zero income.

Long gone are the days where I could pay all the bills and still have
800£ in my pocket. I don't even have the money for internet
connection. Even that is paid by someone else.

http://www.server4you.net/us/dedicat...php?products=0

If you plan to go over 100 domains don't use Plesk (I did) and it
costs $20 extra a month for having over 100 domains. Ensim free allows
unlimited domains.

I won't even get into double figures, let alone treble. <g>

If your current host is letting you down you should find a new one.

No host is perfect though. So far, I am putting it down to them
settling down as they have just been taken over. If it continues in a
few months time, then it may be an idea to change.

[...]

First time I did what you are doing (my first domain was held by the
host like yours is so had no direct control over the DNS settings
etc...) I was also worried and asked here and other places what to do
and if it could hurt ranking :-)

I am not alone then

No, lots of people worry about this one.

Phew !

[...]

If you have any American Indian or Jewelry sites, let me know

Just one and it's an Amazon store and Google has filtered it.

No worries. Just a thought.

If you are looking for some relevant links drop me an email at
david(at)seo-gold.com and I'm sure I'll have some relevant pages we
can swap links from. For example I noticed you have poem links in your
sig, I have some pages with poems (somewhere, where did I put them?
:-)).

Yes, but they are either about American Indians, or written by them.
Can't have any poem on there I'm afraid, but if they are any of the
above, then yes, we can sort something out.

plh
Paul

plh
Paul

David

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