Moving Hosting company - whats the best way without screwing SERPS

"Paul" <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote

Hi All
I am really pissed with my hosting company. If its not the site that
goes down, its the shopping cart, if its not that, then its the email
servers.

I am thinking of moving to http://www.marblehost.com [If any good/bad
news about them, I would like to hear]

They do not use cart32, so I may plan to host the cart cart32
directly, with an extra cost. This is so I do not have to re-write the
site.

Now, what is the best way to move hosting company ?
I want it to be seemless to the user, and not to screw up SERPS.
Is it possible, or will it be months before I recover ?

plh
Paul

Dear Paul,

I've moved sites from one host to another a number of times & never
experienced any downtime or disruption of SERPs. It has always been
seamless.

Just set up the new account with the new host. Then, log into your domain
registar account & change the DNS to point to the new host's nameservers.
Then, transfer your files.

If you have a CPanel account at both old & new host, the transfer is easy as
pie - the new host can transfer your account (databases & the whole
enchilada) in just minutes. It's the greatest thing. You don't have to
transfer any files yourself.

(If your new host offers CPanel & you don't see that service offered on the
new host's website, just ask them if they'll do it for you. It shouldn't
cost anything extra.)

Your site will exist in both places until your DNS propagates throughout the
net. But that usually just takes a day or so.

I don't know about Marblehost.

But you might check out the host I use, www.myriadnetwork.com. Downtime is
very rare. They are very reliable & affordable. Support is rarely needed,
but is fast & right on target when needed. I've been with a number of hosts
since 2000 and have been most impressed with Myriad Network, whom I've had
an account with since early 2005, when my previous host went belly up. I
have a reseller account because I have so many domains, but they offer
regular ol' single-site hosting as well.

cheers ~
Denise

On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:26:20 +0200, Denise <dionyza (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Just set up the new account with the new host. Then, log into your domain
registar account & change the DNS to point to the new host's nameservers.
Then, transfer your files.

That sounds like asking for troubles. First, transfer your files and check
that everything works OK on the new server. Then, change DNS.

Best,
Borek
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On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:26:20 +0200, Denise <dionyza (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Just set up the new account with the new host. Then, log into your domain
registar account & change the DNS to point to the new host's nameservers.
Then, transfer your files.

That sounds like asking for troubles. First, transfer your files and check
that everything works OK on the new server. Then, change DNS.

Best,
Borek
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:56:16 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

Also be sure to use Netcraft and see who /else/ is on your IP address,
assuming you share server/addresses. You don't want the same server to give
Google an online shop, a casino and a woody.

Best wishes,

Roy

Hi Roy.
I could do that, and the could be clean, but what if in 6 months
they're not ?

If you can't beat them, join them? Got a stash to upload? *LOL*

Best wishes,

Roy

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John Bokma schreef:

tonnie <t.prasing (AT) chello (DOT) nl> wrote:

My tips:

- don't mess with your site, no redirects etc.

Yup, unless you have to (because of the database thingy) and don't want to
have "Come back soon" page.

Hm, yes, probably the *only* reason to do a redirect.

- just put it on the server at your new hoster and wait till the DNS
has changed, took about 48 hours before even the last little DNS
server somewhere in the pacific fetched the new data.

Can you recall how fast the majority had made the move? I guess this was
4-5 hrs?

The fastest one was within a few hours, a german DNS server from
Düsseldorf. They did have it even befor my own provider did.

The majority however did take more than 5 hours IIRC. I guess it depends
on the time you make the move.

What i did notice is that a few bots from some small search engines
did visit the old site for a few days longer than Google did.

Might be that they have a local cache (DNS) that they refresh less often
to save on bandwidth.

Hm, yeah, sounds logical.



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On 3 Sep 2006 20:28:33 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

Paul <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:49:00 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

Of course, you could otherwise accpet the consequqnce of having a
different IP address. Search engines /may/ perceive that as fishy, but
probably would not.

Then it *could* affect SERPs :/

I think that the issue Roy talks about is only important when your site is
very recent. Then changing IP addresses often might be considered fishy,
especially if a site moves from country to country :-)

AFAICK, the site will not be moving country. Hope not anyway <G>

But IMO, if your domain name is associated for some time with non-fishy
activities, I think this issue doesn't play any role or an extremely minor
one.

hew !
I should be okay then

I am interested in the outcome, since I am somewhat in the same club :-)

You're not with 1plan as well are you ?

plh
Paul

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On 3 Sep 2006 20:22:39 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

Paul <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi All
I am really pissed with my hosting company. If its not the site that
goes down, its the shopping cart, if its not that, then its the email
servers.

join the club :-)

Not with 1plan are you John ?

I am thinking of moving to http://www.marblehost.com [If any good/bad
news about them, I would like to hear]

AWW might be a good place to ask. OTOH, there are people there AFAIK who
are in the business, so some might be biased for one reason or another.
(And the ones not in the business might recommend what they use, of
course, anyway, the answers will be colored)

True.
They look okay and offer what I need [except cart32]
You can never believe testimonials at all.

They do not use cart32, so I may plan to host the cart cart32
directly, with an extra cost. This is so I do not have to re-write the
site.

Sounds like Windows? So one requirement you have is a Windows server, or a
100% compatible alternative to cart32.

The company I am with uses Windows, the new one uses both I think.

Now, what is the best way to move hosting company ?

Find a company that sounds good, and discuss this with them. My (2nd hand)
experience is that the new hosting company needs at least to be able to
transfer your domain, which IIRC requires cooperation of your old one in
some cases (and some make it a pita for no reason :-( )

True.

I want it to be seemless to the user, and not to screw up SERPS.
Is it possible, or will it be months before I recover ?

Since the transfer of the domain takes some (small) time, you might have
people visiting the old site and the new site at the same time. If you
have some kind of database which keeps user information you might end up
with a difficult issue :-)

No databases. Just static html

In that case you could set up a "We are
moving" page on the old server to prevent ending up with two versions. If
you have your own IP address with the new company you can do a redirect to
http:// your-ip /rightpage to redirect the people who accidently end up on
the old one. However, no idea how Google handles that, I guess it might
cause a small glitch (it might be that google sees a different domain on
that IP address, because it looks at an outdated version of the DNS).

The hosting company I was with couldn't even do a 301 on my own site a
year ago. I doubt they will have gained the knowledge to do it now

Since a new domain is often alive in several hours (my experience) at
least within one day, the "down time" shouldn't be more then 24 hrs AFAIK.

Phew !

Thanks John.
plh
Paul

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On 3 Sep 2006 21:36:52 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

tonnie <t.prasing (AT) chello (DOT) nl> wrote:

My tips:

- don't mess with your site, no redirects etc.

Yup, unless you have to (because of the database thingy) and don't want to
have "Come back soon" page.

There will be no redirects and there are no DBs

- just put it on the server at your new hoster and wait till the DNS
has changed, took about 48 hours before even the last little DNS
server somewhere in the pacific fetched the new data.

Can you recall how fast the majority had made the move? I guess this was
4-5 hrs?

It will take me that long to upload the site LOL.

What i did notice is that a few bots from some small search engines
did visit the old site for a few days longer than Google did.

Not too worried about that. As long as the big 3 find it okay, that'll
do me.

plh
Paul

Might be that they have a local cache (DNS) that they refresh less often
to save on bandwidth.

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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:26:20 GMT, "Denise" <dionyza (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Dear Paul,

Greetings Denise

I've moved sites from one host to another a number of times & never
experienced any downtime or disruption of SERPs. It has always been
seamless.

Thats good to know. My hosting company upgraded their servers and made
a right pigs ear of it. Should have been seamless, but problems went
on for weeks - and still getting them.

Just set up the new account with the new host. Then, log into your domain
registar account & change the DNS to point to the new host's nameservers.
Then, transfer your files.

I've never done that before, so I will have to look into it. Sounds
pretty straightforward though.

If you have a CPanel account at both old & new host, the transfer is easy as
pie - the new host can transfer your account (databases & the whole
enchilada) in just minutes. It's the greatest thing. You don't have to
transfer any files yourself.

I've no idea if they do or not. Again, something that I will have to
look into.

(If your new host offers CPanel & you don't see that service offered on the
new host's website, just ask them if they'll do it for you. It shouldn't
cost anything extra.)

esp if they want my business <G>

Your site will exist in both places until your DNS propagates throughout the
net. But that usually just takes a day or so.

That is about the time it took when the site was very first opened up.
It's just a PITA to move. I don't want to, but I could do without the
s**t service I have been receiving from 1plan.

I don't know about Marblehost.

No problem.

But you might check out the host I use, www.myriadnetwork.com. Downtime is
very rare. They are very reliable & affordable. Support is rarely needed,
but is fast & right on target when needed. I've been with a number of hosts
since 2000 and have been most impressed with Myriad Network, whom I've had
an account with since early 2005, when my previous host went belly up. I
have a reseller account because I have so many domains, but they offer
regular ol' single-site hosting as well.

Thank you for that. Their cheapest is $15 a month [nearly double what
I pay] and 50gb which is not enough. With no job, I couldn't afford.

Marblehost offer 300gb which will suit me as I have enough material
that will cover that kind of b/w.

Now I just need the balls to go and do it <G>

cheers ~
Denise

plh
Paul


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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:56:27 GMT, "Denise" <dionyza (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
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On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:26:20 +0200, Denise <dionyza (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Just set up the new account with the new host. Then, log into your domain
registar account & change the DNS to point to the new host's nameservers.
Then, transfer your files.

That sounds like asking for troubles. First, transfer your files and check
that everything works OK on the new server. Then, change DNS.

Best,
Borek
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plh
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