Moving Hosting company - whats the best way without screwing SERPS

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:56:16 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
<newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

Also be sure to use Netcraft and see who /else/ is on your IP address,
assuming you share server/addresses. You don't want the same server to give
Google an online shop, a casino and a woody.

Best wishes,

Roy

Hi Roy.
I could do that, and the could be clean, but what if in 6 months
they're not ?

plh
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:49:00 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
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Of course, you could otherwise accpet the consequqnce of having a different
IP address. Search engines /may/ perceive that as fishy, but probably would
not.

Then it *could* affect SERPs :/

Still, it wouldn't be for long though as it should all be done within
a day or two.

Make sure you have your site set up on both hosts before you change the
equaduct (DNS servers). Remember that some WWeb sites don't have a fixed IP.

That's true.

Best wishes,

Roy

plh
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:50:18 +0100, Paul
<lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:10:40 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk
wrote:

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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:43:33 +0100, Paul
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On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 17:26:36 +0200, "Jezsta Web Productions"
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[...]

Bill he might have to transfer his site to another registry also with the
way it seems. If he can change the DNS then OK. I don't thin so. I think he
needs to transfer it so he has control over it.

Stacey

We don't really know yet. I'm not keen on the idea of the host owning
the domain.

BB

Well, according to the previous owners, I own the domain, but you
never know with these new guys.

plh
Paul

Which one we talking about?

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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:49:35 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk>
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:50:18 +0100, Paul
lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:10:40 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 18:53:20 +0200, "Jezsta Web Productions"
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:43:33 +0100, Paul
lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 17:26:36 +0200, "Jezsta Web Productions"
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[...]

Bill he might have to transfer his site to another registry also with the
way it seems. If he can change the DNS then OK. I don't thin so. I think he
needs to transfer it so he has control over it.

Stacey

We don't really know yet. I'm not keen on the idea of the host owning
the domain.

BB

Well, according to the previous owners, I own the domain, but you
never know with these new guys.

plh
Paul

Which one we talking about?

http://www.firstpeople.us

whois says that I own it too.
plh
paul

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Paul <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi All
I am really pissed with my hosting company. If its not the site that
goes down, its the shopping cart, if its not that, then its the email
servers.

join the club :-)

I am thinking of moving to http://www.marblehost.com [If any good/bad
news about them, I would like to hear]

AWW might be a good place to ask. OTOH, there are people there AFAIK who
are in the business, so some might be biased for one reason or another.
(And the ones not in the business might recommend what they use, of
course, anyway, the answers will be colored)

They do not use cart32, so I may plan to host the cart cart32
directly, with an extra cost. This is so I do not have to re-write the
site.

Sounds like Windows? So one requirement you have is a Windows server, or a
100% compatible alternative to cart32.

Now, what is the best way to move hosting company ?

Find a company that sounds good, and discuss this with them. My (2nd hand)
experience is that the new hosting company needs at least to be able to
transfer your domain, which IIRC requires cooperation of your old one in
some cases (and some make it a pita for no reason :-( )

I want it to be seemless to the user, and not to screw up SERPS.
Is it possible, or will it be months before I recover ?

Since the transfer of the domain takes some (small) time, you might have
people visiting the old site and the new site at the same time. If you
have some kind of database which keeps user information you might end up
with a difficult issue :-) In that case you could set up a "We are
moving" page on the old server to prevent ending up with two versions. If
you have your own IP address with the new company you can do a redirect to
http:// your-ip /rightpage to redirect the people who accidently end up on
the old one. However, no idea how Google handles that, I guess it might
cause a small glitch (it might be that google sees a different domain on
that IP address, because it looks at an outdated version of the DNS).

Since a new domain is often alive in several hours (my experience) at
least within one day, the "down time" shouldn't be more then 24 hrs AFAIK.

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Paul <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:49:00 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

Of course, you could otherwise accpet the consequqnce of having a
different IP address. Search engines /may/ perceive that as fishy, but
probably would not.

Then it *could* affect SERPs :/

I think that the issue Roy talks about is only important when your site is
very recent. Then changing IP addresses often might be considered fishy,
especially if a site moves from country to country :-)

But IMO, if your domain name is associated for some time with non-fishy
activities, I think this issue doesn't play any role or an extremely minor
one.

I am interested in the outcome, since I am somewhat in the same club :-)

Still, it wouldn't be for long though as it should all be done within
a day or two.

My best guess (mind the guess) is that you will hardly notice any effect
other then the log of your new server showing for 24 hrs less visitors
then you expected. A customer recently moved a hand full of sites to a
different server, and I can't recall he had any drops in traffic, nor
changes in SERPs. OTOH, since all his sites got major updates in order to
get more visitors it might have been that the positive boost just filled
up the negative holes :-)

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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:01:48 +0100, Paul
<lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:49:35 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:50:18 +0100, Paul
lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:10:40 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 18:53:20 +0200, "Jezsta Web Productions"
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"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:43:33 +0100, Paul
lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 17:26:36 +0200, "Jezsta Web Productions"
Please-use-our-contact-form (AT) jezsta (DOT) com> wrote:


"Paul" <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[...]

Bill he might have to transfer his site to another registry also with the
way it seems. If he can change the DNS then OK. I don't thin so. I think he
needs to transfer it so he has control over it.

Stacey

We don't really know yet. I'm not keen on the idea of the host owning
the domain.

BB

Well, according to the previous owners, I own the domain, but you
never know with these new guys.

plh
Paul

Which one we talking about?

http://www.firstpeople.us

whois says that I own it too.

Well then you do.

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John Bokma schreef:

Paul <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi All
I am really pissed with my hosting company. If its not the site that
goes down, its the shopping cart, if its not that, then its the email
servers.

join the club :-)

I am thinking of moving to http://www.marblehost.com [If any good/bad
news about them, I would like to hear]

AWW might be a good place to ask. OTOH, there are people there AFAIK who
are in the business, so some might be biased for one reason or another.
(And the ones not in the business might recommend what they use, of
course, anyway, the answers will be colored)

They do not use cart32, so I may plan to host the cart cart32
directly, with an extra cost. This is so I do not have to re-write the
site.

Sounds like Windows? So one requirement you have is a Windows server, or a
100% compatible alternative to cart32.

Now, what is the best way to move hosting company ?

Find a company that sounds good, and discuss this with them. My (2nd hand)
experience is that the new hosting company needs at least to be able to
transfer your domain, which IIRC requires cooperation of your old one in
some cases (and some make it a pita for no reason :-( )

I want it to be seemless to the user, and not to screw up SERPS.
Is it possible, or will it be months before I recover ?

Since the transfer of the domain takes some (small) time, you might have
people visiting the old site and the new site at the same time. If you
have some kind of database which keeps user information you might end up
with a difficult issue :-) In that case you could set up a "We are
moving" page on the old server to prevent ending up with two versions. If
you have your own IP address with the new company you can do a redirect to
http:// your-ip /rightpage to redirect the people who accidently end up on
the old one. However, no idea how Google handles that, I guess it might
cause a small glitch (it might be that google sees a different domain on
that IP address, because it looks at an outdated version of the DNS).

Since a new domain is often alive in several hours (my experience) at
least within one day, the "down time" shouldn't be more then 24 hrs AFAIK.

I recently (a few months ago) had the same situation, moving from one
hoster to another.

My tips:

- don't mess with your site, no redirects etc.
- just put it on the server at your new hoster and wait till the DNS has
changed, took about 48 hours before even the last little DNS server
somewhere in the pacific fetched the new data.

After 1 to 2 weeks, if you still have that time left, remove the website
completely from your old hosters server.

Thats how i and my new hoster did it, and yes, i had a little drop in
the rankings for a very short time, but am not quite sure it had to do
with the website moving.

What i did notice is that a few bots from some small search engines did
visit the old site for a few days longer than Google did.

All above is what i noticed, it could be different in your situation.

Wish you best of luck with moving,

Tonnie


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"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote

On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 18:53:20 +0200, "Jezsta Web Productions"
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Bill he might have to transfer his site to another registry also with the
way it seems. If he can change the DNS then OK. I don't think so. I think
he
needs to transfer it so he has control over it.

Stacey

We don't really know yet. I'm not keen on the idea of the host owning
the domain.

There ya go with "we" again.:-) Speak for yourself. If you do not have
control over your domain you need to transfer it so you do. I got control
over all mine now, yep transferred them. Also, I said he *might* have to
transfer it anyway.

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tonnie <t.prasing (AT) chello (DOT) nl> wrote:

My tips:

- don't mess with your site, no redirects etc.

Yup, unless you have to (because of the database thingy) and don't want to
have "Come back soon" page.

- just put it on the server at your new hoster and wait till the DNS
has changed, took about 48 hours before even the last little DNS
server somewhere in the pacific fetched the new data.

Can you recall how fast the majority had made the move? I guess this was
4-5 hrs?

What i did notice is that a few bots from some small search engines
did visit the old site for a few days longer than Google did.

Might be that they have a local cache (DNS) that they refresh less often
to save on bandwidth.

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