Microsoft Pretends It Has New Tricks Up Its Sleeves

John Bokma wrote:

Els <els.aNOSPAM (AT) tiscali (DOT) nl> wrote:

John Bokma wrote:

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

The anti-phishing toolbar probes an address, comparing it against a
database at Redmond (or proxy).

Can you explain how an anti-phishing tool can know when a domain can
not be trusted *without* calling home?

I think you missed the essence of the message John: "The URL's are
logged to form a complete list". Calling home is one thing. Storing
the requests is another.

link?

To where? the quoted text? two messages up.

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Els <els.aNOSPAM (AT) tiscali (DOT) nl> wrote:

John Bokma wrote:

Els <els.aNOSPAM (AT) tiscali (DOT) nl> wrote:

John Bokma wrote:

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

The anti-phishing toolbar probes an address, comparing it against a
database at Redmond (or proxy).

Can you explain how an anti-phishing tool can know when a domain can
not be trusted *without* calling home?

I think you missed the essence of the message John: "The URL's are
logged to form a complete list". Calling home is one thing. Storing
the requests is another.

link?

To where? the quoted text? two messages up.

Why am I not amazed? Maybe Roy can provide us with a confirmation of "The
URL's are logged to form a complete list" before we start another
discussion based on noninformation and clueless guessing.

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John Bokma wrote:

link?

To where? the quoted text? two messages up.

Why am I not amazed?

Because you habitually snip unread lines?
(scnr ;-) )

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John A. <no.john (AT) spammers (DOT) virg.iniaqu.ilter.allowed.com> wrote:

On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:45:43 +0200, Els <els.aNOSPAM (AT) tiscali (DOT) nl
wrote:

John Bokma wrote:

link?

To where? the quoted text? two messages up.

Why am I not amazed?

Because you habitually snip unread lines?
(scnr ;-) )

The only link I saw at all associated with the claim only addressed
the disappearance of Ajax in Live search.

I did find this, independently, about the phishing filter:
http://www.ie-vista.com/phishing.html

Yup, I am always amazed that people pull things out of their asses, and
others (habituall) are happy to claim it a piece of gold without smelling
first.

cnr, not sorry at all >:->

Moreover, even if Microsoft keeps "a complete list" the real issue is:
should any governement be able to ask for such a list and get it?

Finally, what makes people think that the governement is not able to build
such a list themselves? As far as I can see the only reason why they want
to get it from Google et al is that it reduces cost enormously.

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On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:51:37 +0200, Els <els.aNOSPAM (AT) tiscali (DOT) nl> wrote:

The anti-phishing toolbar probes an address, comparing it against a
database at Redmond (or proxy).

Can you explain how an anti-phishing tool can know when a domain can not
be trusted *without* calling home?

I think you missed the essence of the message John: "The URL's are
logged to form a complete list". Calling home is one thing. Storing
the requests is another.

John will tel you (and wil be hardly wrong) that you don't know whether
other services he have listed doesn't do exactly the same thing.

My question go other way - is it default behavior of standard IE 7
installation?

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Borek <m.borkowski (AT) delete (DOT) chembuddy.these.com.parts> wrote:

My question go other way - is it default behavior of standard IE 7
installation?

John A. gave the following link in
<f5tdg2pmj7mefpuoud33rv9lnp9s6btibv (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>:
"I did find this, independently, about the phishing filter:
http://www.ie-vista.com/phishing.html"

"The Phishing Filter is *off* by default; that is, it does not transmit
any data to Microsoft and will only check visited Web sites against
locally stored data until the user decides to turn the Filter on."

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__/ [ John Bokma ] on Tuesday 12 September 2006 16:21 \__

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

cache, domain blacklistd, let alone a loyal userbase. As another word
of warning, boycott IE7 because it sends Microsoft a list of all pages
that you visit in order for them to improve search results.

Link?

http://tinyurl.com/ezeey

Right from the mouth of an MS apologist,

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Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

__/ [ John Bokma ] on Tuesday 12 September 2006 16:21 \__

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

cache, domain blacklistd, let alone a loyal userbase. As another word
of warning, boycott IE7 because it sends Microsoft a list of all pages
that you visit in order for them to improve search results.

Link?

http://tinyurl.com/ezeey

Can you quote exactly the part that tells that "IE7 ... sends Microsoft a
list of /all/ pages that you visit"?

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__/ [ John Bokma ] on Tuesday 12 September 2006 23:48 \__

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

__/ [ John Bokma ] on Tuesday 12 September 2006 16:21 \__

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

cache, domain blacklistd, let alone a loyal userbase. As another word
of warning, boycott IE7 because it sends Microsoft a list of all pages
that you visit in order for them to improve search results.

Link?

http://tinyurl.com/ezeey

Can you quote exactly the part that tells that "IE7 ... sends Microsoft a
list of /all/ pages that you visit"?

That's the anti-phishing toolbar, which operates in this way by default.
Sorry I was succinct before. I only later saw the remainder of the thread.

Best wishes,

Roy

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Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

__/ [ John Bokma ] on Tuesday 12 September 2006 23:48 \__

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

__/ [ John Bokma ] on Tuesday 12 September 2006 16:21 \__

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

cache, domain blacklistd, let alone a loyal userbase. As another
word of warning, boycott IE7 because it sends Microsoft a list of
all pages that you visit in order for them to improve search
results.

Link?

http://tinyurl.com/ezeey

Can you quote exactly the part that tells that "IE7 ... sends
Microsoft a list of /all/ pages that you visit"?

That's the anti-phishing toolbar, which operates in this way by
default.

I quote <Xns983C8F028955castleamber (AT) 130 (DOT) 133.1.4>:

John A. gave the following link in
<f5tdg2pmj7mefpuoud33rv9lnp9s6btibv (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>:
"I did find this, independently, about the phishing filter:
http://www.ie-vista.com/phishing.html"

"The Phishing Filter is *off* by default; that is, it does not
transmit
any data to Microsoft and will only check visited Web sites against
locally stored data until the user decides to turn the Filter on."

Sorry I was succinct before.

You weren't.

I only later saw the remainder
of the thread.

Friendly reminder: if you want to be taken serious by me stop your anti-
MS rants. This is not the place (IMNSHO there is no place for this kind
of zealotism, but YMMV).

Moreover, if you truely believe in Open Source and GNU/Linux stop
harming those ideas by misrepresenting information.


Finally, care to explain why when I type firefox rss in the address bar
of Firefox my browser first connects to Google? [1]


[1] Of course this is a rhetorical question.


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