MagicPages

From one of my friends came this: http://www.magicpages.bz/

Quote from site:
"For ONLY US $99 we will GUARANTEE you can be in the Top Ten on BOTH
Yahoo and Google for your chosen 10 key phrases or your money back!"

Their URL isn't in the Google index as far as I can tell, nor do I see
them in the Yahoo directory. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but does this
sound like just another scam? From what I have gotten out of it, it
looks as if they just create some kind of doorway pages for you to
upload and link in your site.

Can anyone give me feedback about this?

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Justin Koivisto wrote:

From one of my friends came this: http://www.magicpages.bz/

Quote from site:
"For ONLY US $99 we will GUARANTEE you can be in the Top Ten on BOTH
Yahoo and Google for your chosen 10 key phrases or your money back!"

Their URL isn't in the Google index as far as I can tell, nor do I see
them in the Yahoo directory. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but does this
sound like just another scam? From what I have gotten out of it, it
looks as if they just create some kind of doorway pages for you to
upload and link in your site.

Can anyone give me feedback about this?


If they were really good they should offer we will put your site in the

top ten, then ya pays us the money >:¬} now if that tact work email us
and we will all go into it.

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No one can guarantee you a top 10 position except google
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It looks like you have to pay your $99 to get the magic machine to generate
'your' 10 key phrases. I suspect that the phrases so generated will be so
improbable that getting them into the top 10 is actually possible - after
waiting many months - by which time most companies will have lost the plot.

$99 per page is rather low considering the time and effort required. A fee
of $250 would seem more appropriate, spread over several weeks of research,
page reworking and then followed up by review/analysis 2-3 months later.

Best regards, Eric. eric (AT) satsig (DOT) net

"Eric Johnston" <eric.johnston (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote

It looks like you have to pay your $99 to get the magic machine to
generate
'your' 10 key phrases. I suspect that the phrases so generated will be so
improbable that getting them into the top 10 is actually possible - after
waiting many months - by which time most companies will have lost the
plot.

$99 per page is rather low considering the time and effort required. A
fee
of $250 would seem more appropriate, spread over several weeks of
research,
page reworking and then followed up by review/analysis 2-3 months later.

I forked out a couple of thousand to a company called Top-10 promotions, who
promised to exactly this. What was in the fineprint is that they guarantee a
certain number of top 10 placement across ALL the keywords you choose (and
across ALL 6 engines they worked with). They did meet their contractual
obligations, and got a top 10 listing on Google for some phrases we didn't
care about and just chucked in to make up the quota - they focused on these
phrases in fact (the easy ones) and ignore the tricky ones (the reasons we
paid them in the first place), and many of the placements they got were with
engines we didn't care about (not google). Basically, a thinly veiled scam
if you ask me.

What would be better is if they'd say, "we guarantee top 10 placement for x
keywords (where you define x), of your choice," that way you don't have to
make up the quota with obscure and easy to rank keywords that they use
simply to fulfill their contractual obligations and avoid giving you your
money back, "and on google only," (that way they don't use lame search
engines to do the same).

"James Crosswell" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote

"Eric Johnston" <eric.johnston (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:28Ehb.79$7n3.3 (AT) news-binary (DOT) blueyonder.co.uk...
It looks like you have to pay your $99 to get the magic machine to
generate
'your' 10 key phrases. I suspect that the phrases so generated will be
so
improbable that getting them into the top 10 is actually possible -
after
waiting many months - by which time most companies will have lost the
plot.

$99 per page is rather low considering the time and effort required. A
fee
of $250 would seem more appropriate, spread over several weeks of
research,
page reworking and then followed up by review/analysis 2-3 months later.

I forked out a couple of thousand to a company called Top-10 promotions,
who
promised to exactly this. What was in the fineprint is that they guarantee
a
certain number of top 10 placement across ALL the keywords you choose (and
across ALL 6 engines they worked with). They did meet their contractual
obligations, and got a top 10 listing on Google for some phrases we didn't
care about and just chucked in to make up the quota - they focused on
these
phrases in fact (the easy ones) and ignore the tricky ones (the reasons we
paid them in the first place), and many of the placements they got were
with
engines we didn't care about (not google). Basically, a thinly veiled scam
if you ask me.

What would be better is if they'd say, "we guarantee top 10 placement for
x
keywords (where you define x), of your choice," that way you don't have to
make up the quota with obscure and easy to rank keywords that they use
simply to fulfill their contractual obligations and avoid giving you your
money back, "and on google only," (that way they don't use lame search
engines to do the same).

I'm sorry, they can't do that. No one can do guarantees if the results are
subjective and dependent on others (Google behaves somewhat like an human
and the positioning depends on what the competitors are doing). The best
you can hope for is that someone will say "I will put in so many hours
helping improve your search rankings for £xx" You've then simply to trust
them for 2-3 months, like you would if you commissioned a graphic artist to
re-work your magazine advertisements format to hopefully catch the eye of
more readers. An artist has expertise in human
perception, human reaction plus painting/drawing skills, an SEO has
expertise in customer language behaviour, an understanding of word
information theory and web page writing skills.
Best regards, Eric eric (AT) satsig (DOT) net


Best regards, Eric.

"Eric Johnston" <eric.johnston (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote

"James Crosswell" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message
keywords (where you define x), of your choice," that way you don't have
to
make up the quota with obscure and easy to rank keywords that they use
simply to fulfill their contractual obligations and avoid giving you
your
money back, "and on google only," (that way they don't use lame search
engines to do the same).

I'm sorry, they can't do that.

No doubt... that's why they didn't make that promise. I only wish I had have
known exactly what they were capable of and intended to do before paying
them. Live and learn I guess... In any case, I certainly don't recommend
that company. I'm trying another now that offered to work either pay per
click or pay per sales (so they have a vested interest in delivering traffic
to the web site), and I'll see how that goes. In the end, I think I might
have to follow the advice of many here and just do the promotion inhouse.

perception, human reaction plus painting/drawing skills, an SEO has
expertise in customer language behaviour, an understanding of word
information theory and web page writing skills.

Thanks Eric.

Best Regards,

James Crosswell

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:33:28 +0200, "James Crosswell"
<nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:

"Eric Johnston" <eric.johnston (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:E9Zhb.597$ny5.326 (AT) news-binary (DOT) blueyonder.co.uk...
"James Crosswell" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message
keywords (where you define x), of your choice," that way you don't have
to
make up the quota with obscure and easy to rank keywords that they use
simply to fulfill their contractual obligations and avoid giving you
your
money back, "and on google only," (that way they don't use lame search
engines to do the same).

I'm sorry, they can't do that.

No doubt... that's why they didn't make that promise. I only wish I had have
known exactly what they were capable of and intended to do before paying
them. Live and learn I guess... In any case, I certainly don't recommend
that company. I'm trying another now that offered to work either pay per
click or pay per sales (so they have a vested interest in delivering traffic
to the web site),

They must have faith in your ability to convert enquiries into sales
then.

and I'll see how that goes. In the end, I think I might
have to follow the advice of many here and just do the promotion inhouse.

If you do you might like to look at the resource list I've put up at
www.kruse.co.uk/resources.htm

and don't expect things to happen overnight when you do start doing
your own SEO. It takes months sometimes to see positive results.

BB

perception, human reaction plus painting/drawing skills, an SEO has
expertise in customer language behaviour, an understanding of word
information theory and web page writing skills.

Thanks Eric.

Best Regards,

James Crosswell

"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote

If you do you might like to look at the resource list I've put up at
www.kruse.co.uk/resources.htm

Cheers - lot's of good stuff. I've actually seen that page before - probably
found it on google ;-)

"James Crosswell" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote

"Eric Johnston" <eric.johnston (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:E9Zhb.597$ny5.326 (AT) news-binary (DOT) blueyonder.co.uk...
"James Crosswell" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message
keywords (where you define x), of your choice," that way you don't
have
to
make up the quota with obscure and easy to rank keywords that they use
simply to fulfill their contractual obligations and avoid giving you
your
money back, "and on google only," (that way they don't use lame search
engines to do the same).

I'm sorry, they can't do that.

No doubt... that's why they didn't make that promise. I only wish I had
have
known exactly what they were capable of and intended to do before paying
them. Live and learn I guess... In any case, I certainly don't recommend
that company. I'm trying another now that offered to work either pay per
click or pay per sales (so they have a vested interest in delivering
traffic
to the web site), and I'll see how that goes. In the end, I think I might
have to follow the advice of many here and just do the promotion inhouse.

I would be curious as to how you/they intend to quantify pay-per-click.

Pay-per-sale is also kinda reaching in that they must trust you and your
ability to turn a "click" into a "sale". In reality, this is a very
slippery slope in our experience. Good for you, bad for them. The only way
they can hope to make money is if they believe that your product will sell,
AND they bring a TON of traffic to your site, hoping that odds are, you will
sell more.

The thing with that is, how many of those sales come from their efforts and
how many come from your current/past efforts?


Just something to chew on....does anyone else have any concrete way to
measure ROI for PPC?


James Taylor
www.AICompany.com