links out = bad

mark r schreef:

On Feb 8, 11:17 am, Tonnie Lubbers <t.pras... (AT) chello (DOT) nl> wrote:
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Tonnie Lubbers <t.pras... (AT) chello (DOT) nl> wrote in
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mark r schreef:
On Feb 6, 2:35 pm, Tonnie Lubbers <t.pras... (AT) chello (DOT) nl> wrote:
mark r schreef:
proof
http://www.davidnaylor.co.uk/i-think...link-juice.htm
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Not even close of proof. Links out is NOT Bad !
What Dave mentions is his messing around with things that might have
killed his link-juice. He did probably do something wrong in the
opinion of Google, or he just screwed up. There is not even a slight
bit of proof that links out are bad.
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scofff all you ant guys but if i take nofollow off my external links
my site nosedives!
tried it
didnt like it
try it for yourselves!
I don't even have to try it! I already have over 500 external links on
2 of my sites.
Depends on what you are linking. And why!
That's for certain. Links relevant to your overal site or to specific
sections/pages/posts are fine. But if google decides that a link you
put up that doesn't have nofollow on it is one you've been paid to put
up, then your pagerank will drop. I know because I've seen this happen
on a site of mine.. one day pr3, the next day unranked.
It is your choice to use paid links. It's Googles choice how to handle them.

What do you think would happen if no one would link? Or like you has
to put 'nofollows' on his links?
Google has, according to Matt Cutts and Google's official blog, decreed
that if they think links are sold for the purpose of passing pagerank,
they'll devalue them.
Again, you dont have to follow the guidelines, its your choice.

Thing is, it doesn't even matter if you're really doing it or not. All
you need is one twit deciding to use their 'report paid links' page.
Yeah right, twits.... Sigh, ranting isn't going to help you.

This is all basics! The internet is *all* about links!
Tell google.
I dont have to, they know.

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i fully understand that linking to other websites is what the nets all
about but what im saying is that based on my experience and the
resulting shift in serps links out from your website are detrimental
to your position.

i really do suggest you try it and see for your self before making
daft comments.

Did you realy read my comments Mark or just shifted into ranting gear?

I already mentioned having over 500 links to other websites from my
sites. So i don't have to try, i am actually linking out every day in
new articles and postings and haven't seen the slightest change in
position.

The fact is, if you see shifts in position, most of the time its related
to the structure and value of your own site, or linking to a bad site.

Linking out is good, that is, if you know what you are doing. Period!



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Tonnie Lubbers schreef:

i am actually linking out every day in

new articles and postings and haven't seen the slightest change in
position.

A negative shift in position that is.


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On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 03:55:29 -0800 (PST), mark r <markrush (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

i fully understand that linking to other websites is what the nets all
about but what im saying is that based on my experience and the
resulting shift in serps links out from your website are detrimental
to your position.

i really do suggest you try it and see for your self before making
daft comments.

Mark,
you are always swinging into dark-grey seo, so how do you know it
isn't other factors that affected it.

Sorry, but I do not agree with your statement about rel=nofollow.
I have over 36607 external links on one of my sites, and no harm has
occurred with "do follow" links in the way of SERPS etc.
plh
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On Feb 8, 2:49 pm, Paul <no... (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote:

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 03:55:29 -0800 (PST), mark r <markr... (AT) gmail (DOT) com
wrote:

i fully understand that linking to other websites is what the nets all
about but what im saying is that based on my experience and the
resulting shift in serps links out from your website are detrimental
to your position.

i really do suggest you try it and see for your self before making
daft comments.

Mark,
you are always swinging into dark-grey seo, so how do you know it
isn't other factors that affected it.

Sorry, but I do not agree with your statement about rel=nofollow.
I have over 36607 external links on one of my sites, and no harm has
occurred with "do follow" links in the way of SERPS etc.
plh
Paul

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look guys what i am saying is if you rel your links they you WILL see
an increase in your serps. if you chose to not do it then as far as
seo goes you're missing an easy boost!

mark

mark r schreef:

On Feb 8, 2:49 pm, Paul <no... (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 03:55:29 -0800 (PST), mark r <markr... (AT) gmail (DOT) com
wrote:

i fully understand that linking to other websites is what the nets all
about but what im saying is that based on my experience and the
resulting shift in serps links out from your website are detrimental
to your position.
i really do suggest you try it and see for your self before making
daft comments.
Mark,
you are always swinging into dark-grey seo, so how do you know it
isn't other factors that affected it.

Sorry, but I do not agree with your statement about rel=nofollow.
I have over 36607 external links on one of my sites, and no harm has
occurred with "do follow" links in the way of SERPS etc.
plh
Paul

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look guys what i am saying is if you rel your links they you WILL see
an increase in your serps. if you chose to not do it then as far as
seo goes you're missing an easy boost!

Complete crap. Besides the fact that i am no. 1 on several serps and
cann't get any higher, what you are sugesting is from a *solid* SEO
point of view done by those who have no knowledge and just bloat around.

You go ahead and give all your links a nofollow, lets see what happens
in a few weeks.


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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:32:39 +0100, Tonnie Lubbers
<t.prasing (AT) chello (DOT) nl> wrote:

You go ahead and give all your links a nofollow, lets see what happens
in a few weeks.

Yeah, esp when other webmasters see what you are doing. They will
remove their links pointing to your site, or will add yours as
rel="nofollow"

lose-lose situation.

Up to you Mark, but as I said, you are always looking at the dark
side.
Feel the rel Luke <G>


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mark r <markrush (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

i fully understand that linking to other websites is what the nets all
about but what im saying is that based on my experience and the
resulting shift in serps links out from your website are detrimental
to your position.

If your linking has been link exchanges and reciprocal linking with cr*p
sites, then your conclusion and experience certainly fit.

However, if you choose to link only to quality sites (on the basis that
'these sites will be of interest to my visitors, and they will think well of
me for such recommendations'), then your experience will be entirely
different.

Google's best kept secret (as so many SEOs ignore anything that conceivably
help 'someone else'), is that outgoing links to quality sites are a major
boon to your site.

Get over the old prejudices, and think positive. It works.
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First things first - but not necessarily in that order.

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On Feb 8, 2:49 pm, Paul <no... (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 03:55:29 -0800 (PST), mark r <markr... (AT) gmail (DOT) com
wrote:

i fully understand that linking to other websites is what the nets
all about but what im saying is that based on my experience and the
resulting shift in serps links out from your website are detrimental
to your position.

i really do suggest you try it and see for your self before making
daft comments.

Mark,
you are always swinging into dark-grey seo, so how do you know it
isn't other factors that affected it.

Sorry, but I do not agree with your statement about rel=nofollow.
I have over 36607 external links on one of my sites, and no harm has
occurred with "do follow" links in the way of SERPS etc.
plh
Paul

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look guys what i am saying is if you rel your links they you WILL see
an increase in your serps. if you chose to not do it then as far as
seo goes you're missing an easy boost!

I've taken a different position.. on my main blog, most of the links I
include get nofollow. The exceptions are sites that are relevant in
some way or that I actually like or wish to support such as sites that
link to me without nofollow.

On the other hand, there's an awful lot of sites that I link to that
just plain don't need the "link juice" and they get nofollow. Also if I
link to something that I don't think is on the straight and level it
gets nofollow.





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Paul <noone (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote in
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:32:39 +0100, Tonnie Lubbers
t.prasing (AT) chello (DOT) nl> wrote:

You go ahead and give all your links a nofollow, lets see what happens
in a few weeks.

Yeah, esp when other webmasters see what you are doing. They will
remove their links pointing to your site, or will add yours as
rel="nofollow"

Yep. When I check link partners, if their link to me is nofollow or if
it's just gone then my link to them gets nofollow.

lose-lose situation.

Up to you Mark, but as I said, you are always looking at the dark
side.
Feel the rel Luke <G

rel as in relevance.

if it's relevant and / or links to me, then it gets a "do follow" link,
else rel="nofollow"



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