links from anything to anything

So are we now saying that if I link from, say, my Star Trek site to a
client's site on an entirely unrelated subject, the wholly irrelevant
inbound link will carry weight with Google? If so I won't be aorund
for a couple of days, I'll be busy cross-linking. Using primo keywords
in the link text of course.

BB

Big Bill wrote:

So are we now saying that if I link from, say, my Star Trek site to a
client's site on an entirely unrelated subject, the wholly irrelevant
inbound link will carry weight with Google? If so I won't be aorund
for a couple of days, I'll be busy cross-linking. Using primo keywords
in the link text of course.

BB

That is exactly correct! However don't use your keywords in your link on
your star trek page (big mistake if you do) because what will happen is
your star trek page will wind up being listed where your other page your
linking to goes. Keywords are not important with google and won't help
you very much. The url address of the site is what is important with
google so use your url address instead. But there can still be a problem
if your url address is www. whatever your keywords are . com then google
will still read your url like it would a text keyword and star trek may
wind up also being listed at pool tips. Do you really want your star
trek page showing up at your other sites keywords? It won't help you any
to do that and you'll just be contributing to more irrelevant google
searches. So if your keywords are part of your url then my advice to you
is for the text part of your link write star trek stuff or something
like that. Example of what I mean using pool tips as the page you want
star trek to boost pr at:

<a href=http://www.pool-tips.com>Star Trek Stuff</a> - what happens here
is your pool tips site gets a nice let's assume pr6 link off your star
trek page but your star trek page won't show up on page 6 of pool tips.

However if your keywords are not part of your url then all you have to
do is this:
<a href=http://www.mypooltipspage.com>www.mypooltipspage.com</a> -
google won't read pool tips when it's one word pooltips so it's okay to
use the url that way.

But the answer is yes to your question. If you have other sites with
high page rank you can add links to your other lower pr sites and your
high pr site will boost them way up but it takes about a month or so for
this to happen. In a sense you turn your high pr site into a doorway
page just in case that person who is doing the doorway page thread
happens to read this this is another example of a doorway page.

Big Bill wrote:

So are we now saying that if I link from, say, my Star Trek site to a
client's site on an entirely unrelated subject, the wholly irrelevant
inbound link will carry weight with Google? If so I won't be aorund
for a couple of days, I'll be busy cross-linking. Using primo keywords
in the link text of course.

What about linking to another page only if it helps the visitors of
your page? That's the only reason I put up a link. Google doesn't
object to that, by the way. They will never object to what makes sense,
or they will become irrelevant (in that case, another search engine
using common sense approaches will take over and become crucial to SEO).

--
Google Blogoscoped
http://blog.outer-court.com

That is exactly correct! However don't use your keywords in your link on
your star trek page (big mistake if you do) because what will happen is
your star trek page will wind up being listed where your other page your
linking to goes. Keywords are not important with google and won't help
you very much. The url address of the site is what is important with
google so use your url address instead. But there can still be a problem
if your url address is www. whatever your keywords are . com then google
will still read your url like it would a text keyword and star trek may
wind up also being listed at pool tips. Do you really want your star
trek page showing up at your other sites keywords? It won't help you any
to do that and you'll just be contributing to more irrelevant google
searches. So if your keywords are part of your url then my advice to you
is for the text part of your link write star trek stuff or something
like that. Example of what I mean using pool tips as the page you want
star trek to boost pr at:

a href=http://www.pool-tips.com>Star Trek Stuff</a> - what happens here
is your pool tips site gets a nice let's assume pr6 link off your star
trek page but your star trek page won't show up on page 6 of pool tips.

However if your keywords are not part of your url then all you have to
do is this:
a href=http://www.mypooltipspage.com>www.mypooltipspage.com</a> -
google won't read pool tips when it's one word pooltips so it's okay to
use the url that way.

But the answer is yes to your question. If you have other sites with
high page rank you can add links to your other lower pr sites and your
high pr site will boost them way up but it takes about a month or so for
this to happen. In a sense you turn your high pr site into a doorway
page just in case that person who is doing the doorway page thread
happens to read this this is another example of a doorway page.

Sam I find it difficult to understand if you're a troll or somewhat thick.

The case is totally the opposite. Anchor text in inbound links is VERY
important. I have domains to number 1 in google only mentioning my keyword
once. The fact that I'm number 1 (under a competitive phrase) is purely down
to the incoming links.

Sven,
You're not only somewhat thick yourself but you are a spammer if you're
doing that. It's people like you that are causing google to become
irrelevant by adding your keywords as anchor text at incoming off topic
links.
Now if you're adding your anchor keyword text at incoming links whose
search term is similiar to yours then I would have to agree with you but
if you're linking anywhere you can get an incoming link at and using
your keywords you're nothing but a selfish dirty rotten little spammer.

Also you are wrong about keywords helping you get to a number one
position. Dead wrong! Google is based on incoming links not keywords.
All keywords do is tell google where your site should be listed at not
what it should be ranked at. I don't care if you use your kywords ten
million times in your url or on your site it won't help you one little
bit. What's more it's easier to get caught spamming your url at a blog
or guestbook when you use keywords. Use just your url without any
keywords in it and you'll get by with a lot more posts without having
them removed by the owner.

I do adult sites and believe me I don't use adult keywords or have them
in my url. But even if I did commercial sites like those guys selling
prescription drugs I would never use anything that would have
prescription drugs or the name of the drug in my anchor text or url.
There are more blogs, guestbooks etc showing upat irrelevant searches
because of guys like you and ruining google!

"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote

So are we now saying that if I link from, say, my Star Trek site to a
client's site on an entirely unrelated subject, the wholly irrelevant
inbound link will carry weight with Google? If so I won't be aorund
for a couple of days, I'll be busy cross-linking. Using primo keywords
in the link text of course.

BB
Bill - looking at the argument brewing below on this topic I'd say nobody

can really be sure what will do what...
Lurkers from Google must be laughing themselves silly while we run around in
circles.
The only advice I can give is to try it with two play sites and then keep it
to yourself - if you do the work you should take the credit.

Sealy Haton

In article <3ce3da92df951af2f17204ad419ff671 (AT) news (DOT) teranews.com>, Sam says...

Also you are wrong about keywords helping you get to a number one
position. Dead wrong! Google is based on incoming links not keywords.

You are wrong. We were #1 on Google 2 years ago and remain there today due to
nothing BUT keywords. We were #1 when we had about 20 incoming links. What our
PR was I couldn't even tell you as I never even knew what page rank was back
then.

And just as an aside: I'm as fantatical as PR as the next person. I flipped
when we went from 4 to 6 and then had a heart attack when we went from 6 to 5,
down to 4 and now back at 5. But who the hell cares what your PR is if you're
in the top 10 listing for specific searches anyway?

Mike Berg
Millennium Fitness

Where have you been this year!!

This is the most basic of SEO information now.

David
_
Free Search Engine Optimization, SEO and
Search Engine Placement Tips (updated 10/10/2003)
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ooar123...-optimization/

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:39:53 +0000, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk>
wrote:

So are we now saying that if I link from, say, my Star Trek site to a
client's site on an entirely unrelated subject, the wholly irrelevant
inbound link will carry weight with Google? If so I won't be aorund
for a couple of days, I'll be busy cross-linking. Using primo keywords
in the link text of course.

BB

Mike Berg wrote:

In article <3ce3da92df951af2f17204ad419ff671 (AT) news (DOT) teranews.com>, Sam says...
Also you are wrong about keywords helping you get to a number one
position. Dead wrong! Google is based on incoming links not keywords.

You are wrong. We were #1 on Google 2 years ago and remain there today due to
nothing BUT keywords. We were #1 when we had about 20 incoming links. What our
PR was I couldn't even tell you as I never even knew what page rank was back
then.

And just as an aside: I'm as fantatical as PR as the next person. I flipped
when we went from 4 to 6 and then had a heart attack when we went from 6 to 5,
down to 4 and now back at 5. But who the hell cares what your PR is if you're
in the top 10 listing for specific searches anyway?

Mike Berg
Millennium Fitness
There's NO WAY you are number one because of keywords at google since

google doesn't rank using keywords. They rank and list high using
inbound links from sites that you get. That's about 90% of what google
ranking and high listing is all about. You may have your site flooded
with your keywords and I guarantee if you removed them all except maybe
your keywords listed one time that you'd still be the number one or two
site.

You have somehow lucked out into getting good incoming links or perhaps
you have an interesting site people like and are linking to it, but
keywords have nothing to do with it.

It cracks me up folks a few years ago when dmoz did aol and aol was the
king keywords were the only way you got your site ranked high, esp if
they were part of the url address. I would tell people this and they
would all tell me I was crazy. Now 3 years later google is the king and
doesn't rank by keywords and the general public has finally caught up
with 2001. So I guess by 2005 when a new king leads the internet
searches and uses a totally different way of doing it the general public
will finally catch up with incoming links and insist that's how theyrank
even though it will be something completely different by then.

Ah yes it feels so good being ahead of my times and feeling like a
genious even though I'm just average but the average guy is a moron and
make me feel and look like a genious. Down side of this is we get
presidents like bush that the average moron votes for.

Dave most people still don't know about this and are completely lost
when it comes to google. It isn't all that easy to figure out, took me a
year to figure google out and I knew a lot of stuff to begin with. So I
can understand what he's asking and saying. What I can't understand are
those idiots who insist keywords added to a site or a url address are
what give you high ranking at google. I lose my patience with those
morons.


SEO Dave wrote:

Where have you been this year!!

This is the most basic of SEO information now.

David
_
Free Search Engine Optimization, SEO and
Search Engine Placement Tips (updated 10/10/2003)
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ooar123...-optimization/

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:39:53 +0000, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk
wrote:

So are we now saying that if I link from, say, my Star Trek site to a
client's site on an entirely unrelated subject, the wholly irrelevant
inbound link will carry weight with Google? If so I won't be aorund
for a couple of days, I'll be busy cross-linking. Using primo keywords
in the link text of course.

BB