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Default Link Farm? I don't get it - 08-23-2007 , 02:38 AM







I read a couple of articles on link farms and I am fuzzy on exactly
the difference between a link farm and a group of online stores that
have reciprocal links with each other. If you had two dozen online
stores in the same business field that each had a link to all the
other stores, would that be a link farm?

Does this mean we shouldn't use reciprocal links and should rely on
getting one-way links instead?



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Default Re: Link Farm? I don't get it - 08-23-2007 , 03:01 AM






Rich Billionaire schreef:
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I read a couple of articles on link farms and I am fuzzy on exactly
the difference between a link farm and a group of online stores that
have reciprocal links with each other. If you had two dozen online
stores in the same business field that each had a link to all the
other stores, would that be a link farm?
A linkfarm is a site with pages purely set up to promote links that have
no relevance to each other.

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Does this mean we shouldn't use reciprocal links and should rely on
getting one-way links instead?
You should use reciprocal links with care. In your example, the links
are all related so there is no problem and it is not a link farm.


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Default Re: Link Farm? I don't get it - 08-23-2007 , 04:07 AM



On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:38:36 -0700, Rich Billionaire
<fb (AT) billionairesclub (DOT) com> wrote:

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I read a couple of articles on link farms and I am fuzzy on exactly
the difference between a link farm and a group of online stores that
have reciprocal links with each other. If you had two dozen online
stores in the same business field that each had a link to all the
other stores, would that be a link farm?

Does this mean we shouldn't use reciprocal links and should rely on
getting one-way links instead?
Why not just google it ?
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...37&q=link+farm


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Default Re: Link Farm? I don't get it - 08-23-2007 , 05:15 PM



On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:38:36 -0700, Rich Billionaire
<fb (AT) billionairesclub (DOT) com> wrote:

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I read a couple of articles on link farms and I am fuzzy on exactly
the difference between a link farm and a group of online stores that
have reciprocal links with each other. If you had two dozen online
stores in the same business field that each had a link to all the
other stores, would that be a link farm?
NO, that would be sensible.

Quote:
Does this mean we shouldn't use reciprocal links and should rely on
getting one-way links instead?
No. Recips are kind of ok but one-ways are better.

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Default Re: Link Farm? I don't get it - 08-24-2007 , 01:03 PM



On Aug 23, 3:38 am, Rich Billionaire <f... (AT) billionairesclub (DOT) com>
wrote:

"If you had two dozen online stores in the same business field that
each had a link to all the other stores, would that be a link farm"

No, it would be link partnerships if the 10 web sites had different
owners, but it could be powerful network linking if "you" had the
dozen different online stores.

.../ she'll probably tell you about how well her stores place for some
pretty tough rag keywords.

oh ya,

Also, Frequently, people link things one to another because they think
it may help them in their search engine strategy, somehow. It even can
be made to appear like they are performing search engine optimization
because the web pages are ranking higher, and there is green bar goo
moving, and because they have such rare talents; they, they have the
eclusive ability to link stuff one to another.

However innocent it may appear, manipulating the search engine results
pages by making web pages appear to be important because they have
links, is black as cat hat matt. this is link building, solicitor's of
links, buying, begging, twisting my arms behind my back, now link me!

please mister, please give me a link

spare me a link for a cup of green goo sir

give me a damn link


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Default Re: Link Farm? I don't get it - 08-25-2007 , 03:43 AM



Quote:
I read a couple of articles on link farms and I am fuzzy on exactly
the difference between a link farm and a group of online stores that
have reciprocal links with each other. If you had two dozen online
stores in the same business field that each had a link to all the
other stores, would that be a link farm?
No, that would be a domain farm.

For a very long time. one black hat trick has been to register lots of
domain names and put up pseudo-sites whose entire function has been to
link back to the prime site thus - supposedly - giving it inbound
links and increasing its 'pagerank'.

What an awful lot of very stupid people haven't realized is that
Google Analytics and Webmaster Tools give Google many more clues about
which sites are really related in this manner.

Google has better data mining capability than any of us. What does it
use to determine if sites are related? I often search on a toll-free
number and find a dozen or more sites pop up. Google can probably use
hundreds of metrics - same server, same registrant, same Analytics or
Webmaster account, etc., etc.

One thing's for sure - when these domain farms are found - POOF!



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Default Re: Link Farm? I don't get it - 08-25-2007 , 04:24 AM



On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:43:54 -0700, Phil Payne
<phil (AT) isham-research (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Quote:
I read a couple of articles on link farms and I am fuzzy on exactly
the difference between a link farm and a group of online stores that
have reciprocal links with each other. If you had two dozen online
stores in the same business field that each had a link to all the
other stores, would that be a link farm?

No, that would be a domain farm.

For a very long time. one black hat trick has been to register lots of
domain names and put up pseudo-sites whose entire function has been to
link back to the prime site thus - supposedly - giving it inbound
links and increasing its 'pagerank'.

What an awful lot of very stupid people haven't realized is that
Google Analytics and Webmaster Tools give Google many more clues about
which sites are really related in this manner.

Google has better data mining capability than any of us. What does it
use to determine if sites are related? I often search on a toll-free
number and find a dozen or more sites pop up. Google can probably use
hundreds of metrics - same server, same registrant, same Analytics or
Webmaster account, etc., etc.

One thing's for sure - when these domain farms are found - POOF!
SEO Dave's are still there. It isn't automatic. I think most black hat
explits actually work quite well, that's why Google complains about
them.

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Default Re: Link Farm? I don't get it - 08-25-2007 , 03:51 PM



On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:24:05 GMT, Big Bill <bill (AT) kruse (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Quote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:43:54 -0700, Phil Payne
phil (AT) isham-research (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

I read a couple of articles on link farms and I am fuzzy on exactly
the difference between a link farm and a group of online stores that
have reciprocal links with each other. If you had two dozen online
stores in the same business field that each had a link to all the
other stores, would that be a link farm?

No, that would be a domain farm.

For a very long time. one black hat trick has been to register lots of
domain names and put up pseudo-sites whose entire function has been to
link back to the prime site thus - supposedly - giving it inbound
links and increasing its 'pagerank'.

What an awful lot of very stupid people haven't realized is that
Google Analytics and Webmaster Tools give Google many more clues about
which sites are really related in this manner.

Google has better data mining capability than any of us. What does it
use to determine if sites are related? I often search on a toll-free
number and find a dozen or more sites pop up. Google can probably use
hundreds of metrics - same server, same registrant, same Analytics or
Webmaster account, etc., etc.

One thing's for sure - when these domain farms are found - POOF!

SEO Dave's are still there. It isn't automatic. I think most black hat
explits actually work quite well, that's why Google complains about
them.

BB
They may work for a while, but when a site starts climbing high, it
will be noticed by other webmasters who see that they have appeared
above them.
Then when a webmaster looks at that site and spots black hat, they
report it.
Then the black hat site gets penalised.
So even if they do work, it won't be for long.
plh
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Default Re: Link Farm? I don't get it - 09-01-2007 , 06:20 AM



On Aug 24, 7:03 pm, canadafred <canadian_... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
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On Aug 23, 3:38 am, Rich Billionaire <f... (AT) billionairesclub (DOT) com
wrote:

"If you had two dozen online stores in the same business field that
each had a link to all the other stores, would that be a link farm"

No, it would be link partnerships if the 10 web sites had different
owners, but it could be powerful network linking if "you" had the
dozen different online stores.

../ she'll probably tell you about how well her stores place for some
pretty tough rag keywords.

oh ya,

Also, Frequently, people link things one to another because they think
it may help them in their search engine strategy, somehow. It even can
be made to appear like they are performing search engine optimization
because the web pages are ranking higher, and there is green bar goo
moving, and because they have such rare talents; they, they have the
eclusive ability to link stuff one to another.

However innocent it may appear, manipulating the search engine results
pages by making web pages appear to be important because they have
links, is black as cat hat matt. this is link building, solicitor's of
links, buying, begging, twisting my arms behind my back, now link me!

I've not been reading the group on a regular basis recently, but
almost every time I read a few threads I see your posts about how NOT
to do SEO, never how to get more traffic.

So how do you suggest webmasters treat their sites to gain more
traffic (Google traffic in particular)?

You say changing anything for better Google rankings is blackhat in
your book, so what on Earth do you do for your SEO clients and your
own network of sites?

Any half decent SEO will help optimise the template/content and work
on more links as that's how Google ranks sites.

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please mister, please give me a link

spare me a link for a cup of green goo sir

give me a damn link
Sorry, only link to my own network of sites :-)

BTW in the process of optimising Oscommerce, creating a tables free
version (so all div/CSS coding) at http://www.business-investment-news.info/
(test site, work in progress). Going to move back into selling
products again as can easily create a network of related ecommerce
sites that will rank for lots of product searches. Might as well
benefit from my SEO skills than helping others all the time :-)

Is optimising Oscommerce blackhat SEO then? Main things I've done is
remove all dynamic URLs (all hyphenated with related keywords now)
removing all tables and adding relevant header tags etc... added
optimised title elements. And when we start adding real products will
optimise the product names, descriptions etc... for maximum SERPs. Out
the box Oscommerce is poorly optimised.

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Default Re: Link Farm? I don't get it - 09-01-2007 , 06:43 AM






blogs (AT) seo-gold (DOT) com schreef:

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Sorry, only link to my own network of sites :-)
Building your own linkfarm aren't you?
Building the entire internet yourself aren't you?

Boy do you need to learn more about the net.
I feel sorry for your customers.
You didn't even get the basics of the net.


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