Link building

Hi

I want to know about link building how it helps in site ranking

Regards
Lucy

On 8 Aug 2006 07:01:14 -0700, "Lucy" <rupalibagaddeo (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Hi

I want to know about link building how it helps in site ranking

Regards
Lucy

More and older links from good sources equals better rankings, roughly
speaking. If you're wondering about that "older" bit, well, it gets
complicated after that.

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if you can get links from .org, .edu .gov domains theyre normally
excellent but amazingly difficult to find.

i like to think of it in terms of quality Vs quantity,

1000 quality (1) links are equal to 1 quality (2) links,
10000 quality (2) links are equal to 1 quality (3) links

etc etc

also the value of the link given to you is diluted by the number of
outbound links from the same page.

(hope thats right, its how the google ranking equation was explained to
me by a maths genius) and by quality i dont mean pagerank

Mark

Big Bill wrote:

On 8 Aug 2006 07:01:14 -0700, "Lucy" <rupalibagaddeo (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Hi

I want to know about link building how it helps in site ranking

Regards
Lucy

More and older links from good sources equals better rankings, roughly
speaking. If you're wondering about that "older" bit, well, it gets
complicated after that.

BB
--
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/mar...e-pictures.htm
http://www.kruse.co.uk/seo-maintenance.htm
http://www.crystal-liaison.com/artis...una-glass.html

mark r wrote:

i like to think of it in terms of quality Vs quantity,

1000 quality (1) links are equal to 1 quality (2) links,
10000 quality (2) links are equal to 1 quality (3) links

also the value of the link given to you is diluted by the number of
outbound links from the same page.

(hope thats right, its how the google ranking equation was explained to
me by a maths genius) and by quality i dont mean pagerank

I wonder where this math genius is that led you to give us such
unfounded figures.

Please try to learn how not to top post.

I am not disputing your SEO advice.

I would like to add however, the above strategy is an attempt to
manipulate the importance of a web page by articially enhancing its
linked value. This is commonly accepted in the SEO circles as being a
standard part of SEO. I disagree with this although that is not my
purpose for intruding in Mark's SEO advice.

This strategy comes with risks. People using this strategy should
weight out the risks carefully before engaging in it. Let the search
engines be the final judge.

Ethical SEO Must Reads by the Search Engines Themselves
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.b...ust-reads.html

"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

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I would like to add however, the above strategy is an attempt to
manipulate the importance of a web page by articially enhancing its
linked value. This is commonly accepted in the SEO circles as being a
standard part of SEO. I disagree with this although that is not my
purpose for intruding in Mark's SEO advice.

So Fred,

I am asking just because it is confusing to understand your stance on
linking. Are you stating you don't do it, or are you stating it is
unethical? You do not try and gain links for sites so they can accomplish
higher ranking? It really doesn't make sense as the SE's guidelines specify
to get links from related sites right? Or do you believe in creating a few
sites and blogs yourself for linking? Of course if you did a lot of this in
a way it could be considered unethical if the sites were closely related I
think. I mean here recently and on the Dani web as you posted about the
thread that you were battling against someone and it was about link building
and you were stating over there link building is wrong and you can gain
ranking without links right?

Stacey
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http://www.ecraftsonline.net/
A New Focus In Web Marketing - Search Engine Optimization
http://jezsta.com

Stacey wrote:

"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1155060535.056749.192740 (AT) m79g2000cwm (DOT) googlegroups.com...
snip

I would like to add however, the above strategy is an attempt to
manipulate the importance of a web page by articially enhancing its
linked value. This is commonly accepted in the SEO circles as being a
standard part of SEO. I disagree with this although that is not my
purpose for intruding in Mark's SEO advice.

So Fred,

I am asking just because it is confusing to understand your stance on
linking. Are you stating you don't do it, or are you stating it is
unethical? You do not try and gain links for sites so they can accomplish
higher ranking? It really doesn't make sense as the SE's guidelines specify
to get links from related sites right? Or do you believe in creating a few
sites and blogs yourself for linking? Of course if you did a lot of this in
a way it could be considered unethical if the sites were closely related I
think. I mean here recently and on the Dani web as you posted about the
thread that you were battling against someone and it was about link building
and you were stating over there link building is wrong and you can gain
ranking without links right?

Too many questions Stacey.

Please pick one or two and provide exact quotes.

--
Fred

On 8 Aug 2006 10:30:22 -0700, "mark r" <markrush (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

if you can get links from .org, .edu .gov domains theyre normally
excellent but amazingly difficult to find.

Have you read what Andy Hagans has had to say about edu links? Not too
impressed...

BB
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http://www.kruse.co.uk/seo-maintenance.htm
http://www.crystal-liaison.com/artis...una-glass.html

canadafred schreef:

Stacey wrote:
"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1155060535.056749.192740 (AT) m79g2000cwm (DOT) googlegroups.com...
snip

I would like to add however, the above strategy is an attempt to
manipulate the importance of a web page by articially enhancing its
linked value. This is commonly accepted in the SEO circles as being a
standard part of SEO. I disagree with this although that is not my
purpose for intruding in Mark's SEO advice.

So Fred,

I am asking just because it is confusing to understand your stance on
linking. Are you stating you don't do it, or are you stating it is
unethical? You do not try and gain links for sites so they can accomplish
higher ranking? It really doesn't make sense as the SE's guidelines specify
to get links from related sites right? Or do you believe in creating a few
sites and blogs yourself for linking? Of course if you did a lot of this in
a way it could be considered unethical if the sites were closely related I
think. I mean here recently and on the Dani web as you posted about the
thread that you were battling against someone and it was about link building
and you were stating over there link building is wrong and you can gain
ranking without links right?

Too many questions Stacey.

Please pick one or two and provide exact quotes.

--
Fred

2 quality questions please. I'm getting confused.

About linking i think this in big headlines : every link is a good link
as long as you find it worth that the link is where it is.

"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Stacey wrote:
"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1155060535.056749.192740 (AT) m79g2000cwm (DOT) googlegroups.com...
snip

I would like to add however, the above strategy is an attempt to
manipulate the importance of a web page by articially enhancing its
linked value. This is commonly accepted in the SEO circles as being a
standard part of SEO. I disagree with this although that is not my
purpose for intruding in Mark's SEO advice.

So Fred,

I am asking just because it is confusing to understand your stance on
linking. Are you stating you don't do it, or are you stating it is
unethical? You do not try and gain links for sites so they can accomplish
higher ranking? It really doesn't make sense as the SE's guidelines
specify
to get links from related sites right? Or do you believe in creating a
few
sites and blogs yourself for linking? Of course if you did a lot of this
in
a way it could be considered unethical if the sites were closely related
I
think. I mean here recently and on the Dani web as you posted about the
thread that you were battling against someone and it was about link
building
and you were stating over there link building is wrong and you can gain
ranking without links right?

Too many questions Stacey.

Please pick one or two and provide exact quotes.

Well I thought it would be easy questions for you as they are all related to
the same thing link building.

Here are your exact quotes:

From this thread:Can some one give me a tip.... (re Google rank)

"Anyone can try their luck manipulating like the best of them if they
want to. It requires no skill really, endurance perhaps and many
answered prayers. This linking faction is not part of the SEO I know. "

"Search engine optimizers; I don't know what they are nowadays. A
warehouse of linking strategists"


From this thread Linking from Directories:
"Find out for yourself what are these web pages that want to link to you
all about? Where do they frequent? Who says what about who? Do you
really want to go into that pile of links?


Build quality content instead. Don't waste your time looking outside
for help. "

Then from:Can linking to my other (non-related) sites hurt

"My opinions are along the same lines. It could be beneficial for both the
Internet visitor and the search engine to have a few keyphrase agendas
cross-linking. My thinking is that together they could create a more complex
and unified group particularly when one web site serves as the index of it
all. I am testing this at the moment. At first glance this theory may sound
somewhat contrary to the standard opinions regarding PR distribution but is
in fact complimentary to those perspectives. I sharpened my pencil and have
done the math. "

________________________But this looks like you are using cross-Linking and
I suppose since you do it it is ok and ethical, so linking is good right?

Back in Feb you wrote this: "It's painstaking as heck sometimes. I have not
seen any results from my last
three months of efforts in quality link building, but I understand the game,
I've been around SEO long enough. Sustained, ethical efforts ultimately pay
dividends. " in the thread Link Vault.

A quote here in the thread any good services for inbound links Last month
"Ya I know them. They are called Dont Put Your Hopes in Me and Waste
Your Money and Time on Link Building Schemes Search Engine Optimization
Website Promotion Internet Marketing SEO Web Site Experts of the
Universe LTD. but I haven't seen their site listed in recent SEO niche
searches. "

Your blog page you posted a day or so ago suggested the Dani web argument in
the thread quoted first..
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.b...riticized.html -
This actually states "was describing my efforts to discredit linking
strtaegists as a viable SEO technique." BTW note the misspelled word, you
might want to fix it. :-)

Here is a cute quote"For the SEO newbies ... blog spamming is for sissies
and illiterates. " ---Tell me what classifies as spam how many blogs over
100?

You talk here about linking not being necessary.
http://www.daniweb.com/techtalkforum...ad51706-1.html

Anyway there are more, with don't waste your time on links build content
even on Dani Web. I don't need to post all of the quotes.:-) So as stated
one can be confused on your stance for links. As you flip flop back and
forth. So is link building unethical and why? If you are going to state
because of manipulation cause by anchor text to be unethical, I would be
more confused at you stating this. It is plain and simple Fred is link
building unethical?

If linking is bad and unethical how does a SEO marketer like your self gain
links, besides posting sigs and adverts on relevant NG's?

These are viable questions Fred and since you like to have discussions this
would be a good discussion.

Stacey

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On 8 Aug 2006 13:28:33 -0700, "Fikkie" <pascal.beyens (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

About linking i think this in big headlines : every link is a good link
as long as you find it worth that the link is where it is.

Not every link is a food link.
No point being on a page with 300 other links. No one is going to
click on it if you are down the bottom.

No point being on a page that is never cached.

No point being on a page if your 20 pages deep.

No point being on a page that is seen as FFA.

There are more, but thats enough.
plh
Paul

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