Link building

"Paul" <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:27:05 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 00:14:51 +0100, Paul
lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 8 Aug 2006 16:01:10 -0700, "canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com
wrote:

... I change everyday.

So tomorrow you may not be ethical any more ?

Tomorrow his definition of ethics may have evolved. This is too easy -
you got ring-rust, Paul, ring-rust!

Nothing wrong with my ring thanks BB.
Not that way inclined <G

It all depends on who would be doing the action I think.:-)

Stacey

"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Stacey wrote:
"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1155066816.888109.135260 (AT) p79g2000cwp (DOT) googlegroups.com...
snip

Too many questions Stacey.

Please pick one or two and provide exact quotes.

Well, I'm glad somebody is paying attention. Very good research. I
clearly see my evolution to my present stand. Thanks.

Well I thought it would be easy questions for you as they are all related
to
the same thing link building.

Here are your exact quotes:

<snip>

rezultz has been banned twice -

Kind of hard for that really. It is only a year old. It takes a least 6 to 9
months to see it pop up in the index. It takes a while for PR to even show
up. Also when you removed those mirrored pages you lost a few links, meaning
PR will drop.

Can't even get rid of the traces
of those, I have tried your way. I change you know. Once was I black as
night.

I know why you can't remove them you need to have the special code and put
the no index on the page. So what you might do is email them directly.

Took whatever crossed my desk and placed it at the top.

Yeah, this I kind of doubt as with those mirrors it wouldn't had worked
really.As the evidence of your sites that you worked on is still able to be
found in the archives. So knowing the sites knows what you had worked on.
Yes, you still are SEOing the same sites, with an added few. But hey doesn't
really matter now does it.? What matters is the present.:-)

Magic
tricks to the untrained eye. Litlle bit at a time, change to grey. Not
pure white, no sirree, close though. Years for me to change. Google has
forgiven me. You should too.

There is nothing to forgive Fred. If something is in the past that is fine.
It is the present that is bothersome in some ways. I don't know if you are
trying to gain the market in Canada travel or what. Yes, that is what a
marketer would do I agree, but making very similar sites all for the purpose
of creating related site to cross linking together I don't know. It just
doesn't sit right for someone who preaches and adamantly with ethics. Maybe
if there was only a couple.

I have seen you state do not worry about gaining links just make content.
This is what you tell newbies without any links hardly. They would need more
links also to help then gain ranks.

A quote here in the thread any good services for inbound links Last month
"Ya I know them. They are called Dont Put Your Hopes in Me and Waste
Your Money and Time on Link Building Schemes Search Engine Optimization
Website Promotion Internet Marketing SEO Web Site Experts of the
Universe LTD. but I haven't seen their site listed in recent SEO niche
searches. "

... what's wrong with that, seems clever to me.

Nothing wrong but it appears you don't like link building with that
statement.

<Snip>

... blogs can be good too, depends on intent. I use blogs all the time.
Good plce to pen unique thoughts quickly, my thoughts. Good place to
have some fun in marketing, can be as crazy as I want on my blogs. My
blogs. I love my blogs. I love spending time writing on my blogs.
Nothing wrong with blogs that are used like blogs. I am a marketer. SEO
is more than just getting the visitor, it is getting the telephone to
ring too. Blog should offer something uniquely angled and behind the
scenes. Don't have to read what you don't like.

I agree but your stance is not to artificially inflate the results. Links
should be natural and organically with what you state. But creating blogs
to use for a number of websites created specifically for links to gain SERPs
isn't unethical under your ethics. Even though this would artificially raise
PR and it isn't organic and natural. Also, there is nothing organic and
natural about making blogs mimicking the real sites for keyword
manipulation. I have read that you feel manipulating the SERPs with anchor
text is unethical and gives poor results.

You talk here about linking not being necessary.
http://www.daniweb.com/techtalkforum...ad51706-1.html

Anyway there are more, with don't waste your time on links build content
even on Dani Web. I don't need to post all of the quotes.:-) So as stated
one can be confused on your stance for links. As you flip flop back and
forth. So is link building unethical and why? If you are going to state
because of manipulation cause by anchor text to be unethical, I would be
more confused at you stating this. It is plain and simple Fred is link
building unethical?

In the manner in which is the trendy way to boost content importance
artificially, sure its unethical.

What is trendy emailing related site for a link exchange? I feel there isn't
anything wrong with link exchanges, but from what I gather you think it is
unethical and you can reach SERPs with internal linking and on page factors
in that thread at Dani Web.

"Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's
ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad
neighborhoods" on the web, as your own ranking may be affected
adversely by those links." Google

Don't get me wrong here, links can be very good. Search engines include
in their ranking factors, the relationship between linked content, the
semantic relationship. They should reward web content that is supported
with its linked associated content, when it is merited do to it being a
natural occurence. The search engines know the difference.

Yeah, they do and I think they may notice some artificially created sites to
create links also. I mean creating sites with nothing on them or very
similar to other ones a owner has a few of the same type. This wouldn't be
considered unethical to you right?

Congruency
between linked content, this is a difficult thing to achieve
mechanically or randomely. This has nothing to do with volume ot PR
quality of links.

I know what Google states in the guidelines trust me. I have been reading
them for a while.:-)

They also state:
"Have other relevant sites link to yours."
"Make sure all the sites that should know about your pages are aware your
site is online."
"Submit your site to relevant directories such as the Open Directory Project
and Yahoo!, as well as to other industry-specific expert sites."

The link strategist uses PR targets to determine a good place to
solicit, buy, exchange or extort a link, a search engine optimizer
makes sure the content is worthy to be linked.

Not all link building campaigns are like that. Also there is nothing wrong
with links exchanges, I am sorry I gained quite a few links that. I met some
people like that. Shoot I sold a few rugs like that. The craft site owner
would love to give me a link then ask for a rug. BTW before Jez and I knew
each other even before the group we exchanged links.:-)

The link strategist uses
targeted keyphrase themes to determine a good place to solicit, buy,
exchange or extort a link buy, a search engine optimzer makes sure the
content is worthy to be linked. The link startegist will go to whatever
means to solicit, buy, exchange or extort links in the volumes and
types it deems needed in order to win a competitive keyphrase race, a
search engine optimizer makes sure the content is worthy to be linked.

Still not all are like that. So what you state is that you are different
than this and you don't use links to manipulate SERPS or gain PR. Ok, I
suppose you don't want a link I was going to offer you with some decent
PR.:-)

If linking is bad and unethical how does a SEO marketer like your self
gain
links, besides posting sigs and adverts on relevant NG's?

A search engine optimizer makes sure the content is worthy to be linked

Of course all my links are highly related.:-). What if the site is filled
with links and no content I suppose it wouldn't be worthy right?

These are viable questions Fred and since you like to have discussions
this
would be a good discussion.

A better approach than the first try. The last one clearly was a trap.

You ask for it you got it. You could have easily answered the questions.

Stacey
--
Crafts - Directory - Your Online Crafting Source
http://www.ecraftsonline.net/
A New Focus In Web Marketing - Search Engine Optimization
http://jezsta.com

Stacey wrote:

<snip>

Ok I see. The first group of questions that I didn't answer wasn't
written by you at all. This last bunch of senseless dribble doesn't
even remorely resemble the logically structured 2nd round of
questioning. How many of them are you Stacey?

Leave me the fuck alone!

--
Fred
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/

canadafred wrote:

Stacey wrote:

snip

Ok I see. The first group of questions that I didn't answer wasn't
written by you at all. This last bunch of senseless dribble doesn't
even remorely resemble the logically structured 2nd round of
questioning. How many of them are you Stacey?

Leave me the fuck alone!

--
Fred
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/

So the upshot is the same:

Write content, create toys and downloads that people like and hope like
hell that they link to you for it.

....that sounds like early web design to me, how many toys can you fit
on a site.

One approch that my peers use is to create resource websites like
accessifyforum.co.uk and strap links all over those as kind of a 3 way
link scheme, MIS does this with loads of projects (you'll see his
photocopier links across most of his internal projects)

is this approch good, even tho the end result is self promotion

mark r wrote:

canadafred wrote:
Stacey wrote:

snip

Ok I see. The first group of questions that I didn't answer wasn't
written by you at all. This last bunch of senseless dribble doesn't
even remorely resemble the logically structured 2nd round of
questioning. How many of them are you Stacey?

Leave me the fuck alone!

--
Fred
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/

So the upshot is the same:

Write content, create toys and downloads that people like and hope like
hell that they link to you for it.

...that sounds like early web design to me, how many toys can you fit
on a site.

One approch that my peers use is to create resource websites like
accessifyforum.co.uk and strap links all over those as kind of a 3 way
link scheme, MIS does this with loads of projects (you'll see his
photocopier links across most of his internal projects)

is this approch good, even tho the end result is self promotion

No nothing wrong with that at all. This is the only way that can have
any effective control over your web site's sustained positioning.
Anything empowered from external sources is not a sound SEO solution
anymore. That simple. Don't do what the other SEOs are saying to do and
go on a perpetual solicitation for links. It is a futile plight.

"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

mark r wrote:
snip

So the upshot is the same:

Write content, create toys and downloads that people like and hope like
hell that they link to you for it.

...that sounds like early web design to me, how many toys can you fit
on a site.

One approch that my peers use is to create resource websites like
accessifyforum.co.uk and strap links all over those as kind of a 3 way
link scheme, MIS does this with loads of projects (you'll see his
photocopier links across most of his internal projects)

is this approch good, even tho the end result is self promotion

No nothing wrong with that at all. This is the only way that can have
any effective control over your web site's sustained positioning.
Anything empowered from external sources is not a sound SEO solution
anymore. That simple. Don't do what the other SEOs are saying to do and
go on a perpetual solicitation for links. It is a futile plight.

Mark, yeah don't try and gain links from quality websites just make about 10
to 15 websites similar in content that you can build your own links. Even
though this is against Google's Webmaster Guidelines, but if ethical SEO
experts can do it so can you! Also don't forget to add that link farm
http://www.canadawilds.com/ . This really helps tie the gaggle of links
together.

Stacey

Stacey wrote:

"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1155118581.322214.209720 (AT) m79g2000cwm (DOT) googlegroups.com...

mark r wrote:
snip

So the upshot is the same:

Write content, create toys and downloads that people like and hope like
hell that they link to you for it.

...that sounds like early web design to me, how many toys can you fit
on a site.

One approch that my peers use is to create resource websites like
accessifyforum.co.uk and strap links all over those as kind of a 3 way
link scheme, MIS does this with loads of projects (you'll see his
photocopier links across most of his internal projects)

is this approch good, even tho the end result is self promotion

No nothing wrong with that at all. This is the only way that can have
any effective control over your web site's sustained positioning.
Anything empowered from external sources is not a sound SEO solution
anymore. That simple. Don't do what the other SEOs are saying to do and
go on a perpetual solicitation for links. It is a futile plight.


Mark, yeah don't try and gain links from quality websites just make about 10
to 15 websites similar in content that you can build your own links. Even
though this is against Google's Webmaster Guidelines, but if ethical SEO
experts can do it so can you! Also don't forget to add that link farm
http://www.canadawilds.com/ . This really helps tie the gaggle of links
together.

Oh Ok, I see. This project I started in December 2005 and worked on it
until April 2006. I was fired, deservingly. There half the network
sits. No secret in my failures, evidence all around me. I fail
frequently as you know. It is a nice reminders for me when someone
takes the time to point them out but not much ammunition. Keeps me
focused on changing, little reminders from people like you. Gotta' do
better than that to really do damage to me though. Very weak your
discreditations of my network, very feeble.

I had such big plans, big big plans. One day Pouf! All gone.

I move on ... it's in the past, ten little babies ( you failed to
mention that three of those were in French ) left behind in the past
.... I become a better optimizer, a better busines man and a better
person from learning lessons like these from the past.

--
Fred
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.b...nd-person.html

"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Stacey wrote:
"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1155118581.322214.209720 (AT) m79g2000cwm (DOT) googlegroups.com...

mark r wrote:
snip

So the upshot is the same:

Write content, create toys and downloads that people like and hope
like
hell that they link to you for it.

...that sounds like early web design to me, how many toys can you fit
on a site.

One approch that my peers use is to create resource websites like
accessifyforum.co.uk and strap links all over those as kind of a 3
way
link scheme, MIS does this with loads of projects (you'll see his
photocopier links across most of his internal projects)

is this approch good, even tho the end result is self promotion

No nothing wrong with that at all. This is the only way that can have
any effective control over your web site's sustained positioning.
Anything empowered from external sources is not a sound SEO solution
anymore. That simple. Don't do what the other SEOs are saying to do and
go on a perpetual solicitation for links. It is a futile plight.


Mark, yeah don't try and gain links from quality websites just make about
10
to 15 websites similar in content that you can build your own links. Even
though this is against Google's Webmaster Guidelines, but if ethical SEO
experts can do it so can you! Also don't forget to add that link farm
http://www.canadawilds.com/ . This really helps tie the gaggle of links
together.

Oh Ok, I see. This project I started in December 2005 and worked on it
until April 2006. I was fired, deservingly.<snip

Fired, Fred you own that website.
http://whois.domaintools.com/canadawilds.com . Started in Feb 2006. Hmm, you
see you are still lying like a rug!

I had such big plans, big big plans. One day Pouf! All gone.

I move on ... it's in the past, ten little babies ( you failed to
mention that three of those were in French )

Wow 3 Fred. Yep out of the total 15. I count the blogs also. LOL!!!

Stacey
--
Crafts - Directory - Your Online Crafting Source
http://www.ecraftsonline.net/
A New Focus In Web Marketing - Search Engine Optimization
http://jezsta.com

Stacey wrote:

"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1155131925.130333.96060 (AT) n13g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com...

Stacey wrote:
"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1155118581.322214.209720 (AT) m79g2000cwm (DOT) googlegroups.com...

mark r wrote:
snip

So the upshot is the same:

Write content, create toys and downloads that people like and hope
like
hell that they link to you for it.

...that sounds like early web design to me, how many toys can you fit
on a site.

One approch that my peers use is to create resource websites like
accessifyforum.co.uk and strap links all over those as kind of a 3
way
link scheme, MIS does this with loads of projects (you'll see his
photocopier links across most of his internal projects)

is this approch good, even tho the end result is self promotion

No nothing wrong with that at all. This is the only way that can have
any effective control over your web site's sustained positioning.
Anything empowered from external sources is not a sound SEO solution
anymore. That simple. Don't do what the other SEOs are saying to do and
go on a perpetual solicitation for links. It is a futile plight.


Mark, yeah don't try and gain links from quality websites just make about
10
to 15 websites similar in content that you can build your own links. Even
though this is against Google's Webmaster Guidelines, but if ethical SEO
experts can do it so can you! Also don't forget to add that link farm
http://www.canadawilds.com/ . This really helps tie the gaggle of links
together.

Oh Ok, I see. This project I started in December 2005 and worked on it
until April 2006. I was fired, deservingly.<snip

Fired, Fred you own that website.
http://whois.domaintools.com/canadawilds.com . Started in Feb 2006. Hmm, you
see you are still lying like a rug!

I had such big plans, big big plans. One day Pouf! All gone.

I move on ... it's in the past, ten little babies ( you failed to
mention that three of those were in French )

Wow 3 Fred. Yep out of the total 15. I count the blogs also. LOL!!!

No blogs are theirs anymore. I returned those to me, I belive there

were three.

Two of the web sites in that group are actually mine but I have ceased
fighting to take back control of them and have written them off as
losses. Those two are http://www.canada-bear-hunting.com/ and
http://www.canadawilds.com/

There is one more to the set that you'll have trouble finding it and it
was started to be the finally of it all.

Included in the remainder that you are making the public aware of were
:

a bilingual corporate web site
an English convention centre web site
an English christian spiritual retreats web site
an English all-inclusive vacations web site
an English bird-watching web site
an English RV and Campgrounds web site
a French campgrounds web site
a French conference Centre web site
a French all-inclusive vacation web site

So that's actually 11 web sites, 3 blogs and 1 you are not aware of
yet, I think.

I very much more trust my own content to link from naturally in a
network. This technique is particularly effective as a frontal attack
on an entire industry.

"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Stacey wrote:
"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1155131925.130333.96060 (AT) n13g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com...

Stacey wrote:
"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1155118581.322214.209720 (AT) m79g2000cwm (DOT) googlegroups.com...
snip

Wow 3 Fred. Yep out of the total 15. I count the blogs also. LOL!!!

No blogs are theirs anymore. I returned those to me, I belive there
were three.

5 -http://all-inclusive-vacations-canada.blogspot.com/
http://fly-in-fishing.blogspot.com/
http://snowmobile-vacation.blogspot.com/
http://canada-bear-hunting.blogspot.com/
http://spiritual-retreats.blogspot.com/

Two of the web sites in that group are actually mine but I have ceased
fighting to take back control of them and have written them off as
losses. Those two are http://www.canada-bear-hunting.com/ and
http://www.canadawilds.com/

Well all of them are in your name so you own them Fred. Domains belong to
the registered person. Your namea is on all 10.

There is one more to the set that you'll have trouble finding it and it
was started to be the finally of it all.

Well see you admit to more.

Included in the remainder that you are making the public aware of were
:

a bilingual corporate web site
an English convention centre web site
an English christian spiritual retreats web site
an English all-inclusive vacations web site
an English bird-watching web site
an English RV and Campgrounds web site
a French campgrounds web site
a French conference Centre web site
a French all-inclusive vacation web site

So that's actually 11 web sites, 3 blogs and 1 you are not aware of
yet, I think.

I was counting 10 that are closely related. You have a couple of French
closely related and a few of English closely related all owned by you.

I very much more trust my own content to link from naturally in a
network. This technique is particularly effective as a frontal attack
on an entire industry.

You call that linking naturally? You made a false network of the same sites
interlinked. Don't try to make it sound totally ethical Fred. Yeah, I agree
that having your own websites so you can trust them. Also gaining links from
trusted friends. But this goes against what you have been saying here about
ethical and linking with manipulation. I mean you were stating you could get
results without links and just to everything internally. When you spoke of
internally did you mean your gaggle of websites?

Stacey
--
Crafts - Directory - Your Online Crafting Source
http://www.ecraftsonline.net/
A New Focus In Web Marketing - Search Engine Optimization
http://jezsta.com