Less words ... less hits ? !

If I do a search with:

gentoo pavilion presario zv6000

I get 379 hits. If I take away one word ad search with:

gentoo pavilion zv6000

I get only 109 hits. What am I missing ?
Same result using Advanced Search "with all of the words" option.
If I search:

gentoo pavilion presario

I get 838 hits. That's better. I wonder what is missing above.
And if I search:

gentoo presario zv6000

I get 450 hits, that's more than 379. Good. But why gentoo pavilion presario
has only 109 hits ?

Have tried also with allintext option:

allintext: gentoo pavilion presario zv6000

got 364 hits. And with:

allintext: gentoo pavilion zv6000

only 98 hits. Mad ! :-)

Pekilan

__/ [Pekilan] on Sunday 13 November 2005 11:38 \__

If I do a search with:

gentoo pavilion presario zv6000

I get 379 hits. If I take away one word ad search with:

gentoo pavilion zv6000

I get only 109 hits. What am I missing ?
Same result using Advanced Search "with all of the words" option.
If I search:

gentoo pavilion presario

I get 838 hits. That's better. I wonder what is missing above.
And if I search:

gentoo presario zv6000

I get 450 hits, that's more than 379. Good. But why gentoo pavilion
presario has only 109 hits ?

Have tried also with allintext option:

allintext: gentoo pavilion presario zv6000

got 364 hits. And with:

allintext: gentoo pavilion zv6000

only 98 hits. Mad ! :-)

Pekilan

That is an interesting observation. By adding words, one would imagine
that options will be narrowed down. Then again, bear in mind that without
allintext you might be broadening the number of pages as you add keywords.
It is not an accurate science and the way indices get arranged in Google
is rather opaque.

Are you trying to find out which 'territory' you should target? If you
compose a page about what the aforementioned text implies, be sure to sub-
mit it to:

http://www.linux-laptop.net/

Just in case it is /not/ there already.

I agree that your last example is indeed an oddity. Could this have any-
thing to do with the recent updates? I doubt it personally.

Roy

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Pekilan wrote:

If I do a search with:

gentoo pavilion presario zv6000

I get 379 hits. If I take away one word ad search with:

gentoo pavilion zv6000

I get only 109 hits. What am I missing ?
Same result using Advanced Search "with all of the words" option.
If I search:

gentoo pavilion presario

I get 838 hits. That's better. I wonder what is missing above.
And if I search:

gentoo presario zv6000

I get 450 hits, that's more than 379. Good. But why gentoo pavilion presario
has only 109 hits ?

Have tried also with allintext option:

allintext: gentoo pavilion presario zv6000

got 364 hits. And with:

allintext: gentoo pavilion zv6000

only 98 hits. Mad ! :-)

Pekilan

Call me a pedant, but shouldn't that be "fewer" words, not "less"?

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Pete Thomas wrote:

Call me a pedant,

Ok: "Pedant." :-)

but shouldn't that be "fewer" words, not "less"?

Pekilan

Roy Schestowitz wrote:

That is an interesting observation. By adding words, one would imagine
that options will be narrowed down. Then again, bear in mind that without
allintext you might be broadening the number of pages as you add keywords.
It is not an accurate science and the way indices get arranged in Google
is rather opaque.

I suspected that, got a lot of pages in which the words where only in links
pointing to the page (what use ? bah!).

Are you trying to find out which 'territory' you should target? If you
compose a page about what the aforementioned text implies, be sure to sub-
mit it to:

http://www.linux-laptop.net/

No, I am only searching a precompiled kernel for my notebook. But it
happened before (the strange Google behavior) so I wanted to deep-in.

Just in case it is /not/ there already.

I agree that your last example is indeed an oddity. Could this have any-
thing to do with the recent updates? I doubt it personally.

Without allintext I though to filter out all pages without "all the words",
but ... after a bunch of searches I found the reason: here is the
explaination:

"In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some
entries very similar to the 22 already displayed.
If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included."

If I select to "include omitted results" the hits jump to "about 1,100"
So you understand that the hit count is not the actual hit count, but only
the Google filtered hit count. Therefore the 98 hits are really more than
1'100. Time to go sleep ... :-)

Pekilan

__/ [Pekilan] on Monday 14 November 2005 00:03 \__

Roy Schestowitz wrote:

That is an interesting observation. By adding words, one would imagine
that options will be narrowed down. Then again, bear in mind that without
allintext you might be broadening the number of pages as you add keywords.
It is not an accurate science and the way indices get arranged in Google
is rather opaque.

I suspected that, got a lot of pages in which the words where only in links
pointing to the page (what use ? bah!).

Are you trying to find out which 'territory' you should target? If you
compose a page about what the aforementioned text implies, be sure to sub-
mit it to:

http://www.linux-laptop.net/

No, I am only searching a precompiled kernel for my notebook. But it
happened before (the strange Google behavior) so I wanted to deep-in.

I thought you were writing up rather than searching for a page.

Just in case it is /not/ there already.

I agree that your last example is indeed an oddity. Could this have any-
thing to do with the recent updates? I doubt it personally.

Without allintext I though to filter out all pages without "all the words",
but ... after a bunch of searches I found the reason: here is the
explaination:

"In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some
entries very similar to the 22 already displayed.
If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included."

If I select to "include omitted results" the hits jump to "about 1,100"
So you understand that the hit count is not the actual hit count, but only
the Google filtered hit count. Therefore the 98 hits are really more than
1'100. Time to go sleep ... :-)

....You won't get much of that if you stick with Gentoo. Word on the street,
which is also a gross generalisation, is that Gentoo is for ricers and will
soon become a full-time job. Installation can be darn difficult.

Best wishes,

Roy

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Roy Schestowitz wrote:

...You won't get much of that if you stick with Gentoo.

kidding ? :-) I have to let the notebook alone for hours, while it is
compiling :-)

Word on the
street, which is also a gross generalisation, is that Gentoo is for ricers
and will soon become a full-time job. Installation can be darn difficult.

It is the only distribution that works on the HP Pavillion zv6000 or Compaq
Presario r4000 (same motherboard). I have only (?) to fix the mouse to have
a working graphical interface.
The search was my last resort to skip Gentoo :-).
But if the choice is Microsoft's XP or Gentoo, I prefer suicide (that is
Gentoo :-).

Pekilan

__/ [Pekilan] on Monday 14 November 2005 21:59 \__

Roy Schestowitz wrote:

...You won't get much of that if you stick with Gentoo.

kidding ? :-) I have to let the notebook alone for hours, while it is
compiling :-)

Word on the
street, which is also a gross generalisation, is that Gentoo is for ricers
and will soon become a full-time job. Installation can be darn difficult.

It is the only distribution that works on the HP Pavillion zv6000 or Compaq
Presario r4000 (same motherboard). I have only (?) to fix the mouse to have
a working graphical interface.
The search was my last resort to skip Gentoo :-).
But if the choice is Microsoft's XP or Gentoo, I prefer suicide (that is
Gentoo :-).

Pekilan

You should try (or should have tried) Ubuntu. It is very laptop-friendly from
what I hear. HP even sell Linux laptops with Ubuntu pre-installed.

Roy

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Roy Schestowitz wrote:

You should try (or should have tried) Ubuntu.

Installation freezes (Hoary).

It is very laptop-friendly
from what I hear. HP even sell Linux laptops with Ubuntu pre-installed.

I know, and Ubuntu was my first choice/try.

Pekilan

Pekilan wrote:

I know, and Ubuntu was my first choice/try.

For those interested.
I have tried Suse 10.0 OSS and it works.

Pekilan