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Ian Harris
 
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Default Help needed please with search engines - 10-12-2003 , 04:38 PM






Hi
I have used the information from this newsgroup to redesign a girl guiding
site I look after free of charge.
http://www.wilnecote-guides.co.uk/
Please can some one check it out to see I can do anymore to make it search
engine friendly and get a better ranking in the search engines.

Many Thanks
Ian



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Adrienne
 
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Default Re: Help needed please with search engines - 10-12-2003 , 05:29 PM






Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "Ian Harris"
<websolutions@"removethis"clara.co.uk> writing in
news:3f89bec6$0$261$cc9e4d1f (AT) news (DOT) dial.pipex.com:

Quote:
Hi
I have used the information from this newsgroup to redesign a girl
guiding site I look after free of charge.
http://www.wilnecote-guides.co.uk/
Please can some one check it out to see I can do anymore to make it
search engine friendly and get a better ranking in the search engines.

Many Thanks
Ian



I don't see any H1-H6 elements, those would be useful.

You're using javascript for rollover links. This could very easily be
accomplished using CSS, and the page download size would be smaller.

As a matter of fact, you should be using CSS positioning instead of tables
anyway. Cleaner, smarter, faster to download, easier to debug, more
accessible. With CSS positioning, you can put the content on the very top,
and navigation on the bottom.

<quote>Click on the links below for the latest news and updates to this
site.</quote>

That's really unnecessary. Search engine bots do not know how to click on
anything, and sighted visitors can clearly see the links. You would be
better off doing something like:
<h2>Latest News</h2>
<ul>
<li>....</li>
</ul>

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T.J.
 
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Default Re: Help needed please with search engines - 10-12-2003 , 05:36 PM




"Ian Harris" <websolutions@"removethis"clara.co.uk> wrote

Quote:
Hi
I have used the information from this newsgroup to redesign a girl guiding
site I look after free of charge.
http://www.wilnecote-guides.co.uk/
Please can some one check it out to see I can do anymore to make it search
engine friendly and get a better ranking in the search engines.

Many Thanks
Ian

This may be a silly question, but why does this
type of site need to be search engine friendly?




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William Tasso
 
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Default Re: Help needed please with search engines - 10-12-2003 , 06:11 PM



T.J. wrote:
Quote:
"Ian Harris" <websolutions@"removethis"clara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f89bec6$0$261$cc9e4d1f (AT) news (DOT) dial.pipex.com...

http://www.wilnecote-guides.co.uk/

This may be a silly question, but why does this
type of site need to be search engine friendly?
so people can find it using a relevant search phrase perhaps?

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rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski
 
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Default Re: Help needed please with search engines - 10-12-2003 , 06:21 PM



William Tasso wrote:
Quote:
T.J. wrote:
"Ian Harris" <websolutions@"removethis"clara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f89bec6$0$261$cc9e4d1f (AT) news (DOT) dial.pipex.com...

http://www.wilnecote-guides.co.uk/

This may be a silly question, but why does this
type of site need to be search engine friendly?

so people can find it using a relevant search phrase perhaps?
Good point. SEO for a site like this should be easy. However, if
they don't come up high for the relevant search phrases they have a
problem.
--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.
Yet another murder by someone on Coricidin:
http://www.coricidin.org/kansas-coricidin-murder.htm




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SEO Dave
 
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Default Re: Help needed please with search engines - 10-12-2003 , 08:18 PM



On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:29:25 GMT, Adrienne <arbpen (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>
wrote:

Quote:
You would be
better off doing something like:
h2>Latest News</h2
Except don't use <h2> unless you are targeting the phrase "Latest
News" on that page. If you want it bigger than standard text use font
size or better still a CSS class and reference an external css file in
the head.

You should try to only use headers for the phrases you are targeting.

David
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Search Engine Placement Tips (updated 10/10/2003)
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ooar123...-optimization/


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Peter Jensen
 
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Default Re: Help needed please with search engines - 10-13-2003 , 03:50 AM




"SEO Dave" <ooar123SP (AT) AMntlworld (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:29:25 GMT, Adrienne <arbpen (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net
wrote:

You would be
better off doing something like:
h2>Latest News</h2

Except don't use <h2> unless you are targeting the phrase "Latest
News" on that page. If you want it bigger than standard text use font
size or better still a CSS class and reference an external css file in
the head.
Anyone knows Google's position when it comes to manipulating H1, H2, H3,
etc. to a smaller text size? Do you risk a ban?




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PeterMcC
 
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Default Re: Help needed please with search engines - 10-13-2003 , 04:00 AM



Peter Jensen wrote:
Quote:
"SEO Dave" <ooar123SP (AT) AMntlworld (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:2jrjovcl83cugm5mjqjq70rtlhpsd4ctba (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:29:25 GMT, Adrienne <arbpen (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net
wrote:

You would be
better off doing something like:
h2>Latest News</h2

Except don't use <h2> unless you are targeting the phrase "Latest
News" on that page. If you want it bigger than standard text use font
size or better still a CSS class and reference an external css file
in the head.

Anyone knows Google's position when it comes to manipulating H1, H2,
H3, etc. to a smaller text size? Do you risk a ban?
It's difficult to be absolute in a reply - Google have given themselves room
for manoeuvre in the general advice that <quote>A good rule of thumb is
whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that
competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users?
Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"</quote>

So, if the changes to the Hx are for aesthetic/legibility reasons, you
should be OK - if they are there to trick the search engines, you should
remember Google's advice <quote>Don't deceive your users, or present
different content to search engines than you display to users.</quote>

Hx styled to show that the text is an important heading as far as the search
engines are concerned but which doesn't show up as a heading for visitors
because it is the same as the body copy should fall foul of the rules.


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Ian Harris
 
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Default Re: Help needed please with search engines - 10-13-2003 , 05:27 PM



Hi to all of you
Many thanks for the advice your comments are duly noted and again sorry for
the double post my newsreader did not update messages straight away

Regards
Ian

"rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm (AT) KILLSPAMMERSmochamail (DOT) com> wrote in
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Quote:
William Tasso wrote:
T.J. wrote:
"Ian Harris" <websolutions@"removethis"clara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f89bec6$0$261$cc9e4d1f (AT) news (DOT) dial.pipex.com...

http://www.wilnecote-guides.co.uk/

This may be a silly question, but why does this
type of site need to be search engine friendly?

so people can find it using a relevant search phrase perhaps?

Good point. SEO for a site like this should be easy. However, if
they don't come up high for the relevant search phrases they have a
problem.
--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.
Yet another murder by someone on Coricidin:
http://www.coricidin.org/kansas-coricidin-murder.htm





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