Google's Little Devil update

Stacey wrote:

"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Stacey wrote:
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What is the purpose of a outbound link? It is to facilitae a way for an
Internet visitor to find more information on the sunbject at hand.

You really want to rewrite Tonnie's page?:-)

Oh I see what you mean. No, as it stands I don't want to link to it.
The concept is good but the content is sub-standard. I'll be happy to
correct it and then after it is uploaded I'll deem it acceptable for
inclusion.

LOL!! Actually no. I thought it(Tonnie's page)was good. In fact Tonnie makes
real nice sites. I don't think it needs to be rewritten by you as you have
some misspellings and most of the stuff you write doesn't make sense. It
could be the bong or fishing gets in the way!

snip the rest as it doesn't matter if you go to the grey area, just don't
try boast about ethical

The search engines request that we use the alt attribute to include a
description of the image that the graphic represents, briefly of
course. They further suggest that we keep these image descriptions
specific, in other words, using keyphrases.

They alone determine if it meets their guidelines. You may think that
you know what meets their guidelines and what generates a positive
response for the web page but in fact, you don't. Only the search
engines know.

I have visited sites created from Canadian federal resources for the
visually impaired here in Canada and admire greatly their efforts in
bringing the Internet to all people regardless of any seeming
limitations. I suggest that you examine their uses of the alt
attribute, which incidentally, the search engines seem to respond to
favourably. A well intentioned, keyphrase rich alt attribute can mean a
significant difference to that web page's optimization. Yes, that's
search engine optimization. Consequently, the use of the alt attribute
becomes a part of SEO.

Your remark turns into the question of what is and what isn't ethical
use of the alt attribute. The answer stays the same; it is up to the
search engine to determine that.

Now, if you want to continue going around spouting about how poorly I
spell and of how ironic it is of me to boast so freely about being an
ethical Internet marketer, of course you are free to continue that
path.

Stacey, as I have been involved in very good discussions with you in
the past, I feel it my duty to let you know that arguing with me over
ethics doesn't compliment a usually very sharp intelligence. Argue with
me over the use of <li> tags, no problem, let's get into a verbal
squabbles over Title tags, wonderful but ..

snip the rest as it doesn't matter if you go to the grey area, just don't
try boast about ethical

I don't think is called for and I did take offense to it. I'm not
seeking or expecting a response from you on this issue. Out of
professional respect for you and in respect for you as a person I wish
to end this debate with you.

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http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/

"Stacey" <Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Big Bill wrote:
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We could all link to each other, I suppose, while we're on the
subject.

Any link intended to assist your Internet visitor is indisputably
ethical. Links from relevant, semantically congruent (
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.b...keyphrase-anch
ors-congruency.html ) web pages usually flows credibility to both web
pages. I think it is a good idea if done naturally.

Ah, so you do think reciprocal linking is ok? LOL. Doesn't matter how
mcuh you sugar coat it and change the wording it is "reciprocal
linking". Reciprocal linking isn't bad and sometimes it is the only
way to gain links.

IMO, reciprocal linking is more like: can you put my link on your links
page, then I add yours.

I guess Fred is more talking about related linking. For example, someone
keeps scorpions, and links to my page on scorpions, and I link back,
because I consider it a great resource. We both consider each other an
addition to our own pages.

Note the "if done naturally".


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tonnie wrote:

Stacey schreef:
"tonnie" <t.prasing (AT) chello (DOT) nl> wrote in message
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Stacey schreef:
"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Stacey wrote:
snip

What is the purpose of a outbound link? It is to facilitae a way for
an
Internet visitor to find more information on the sunbject at hand.
You really want to rewrite Tonnie's page?:-)
Oh I see what you mean. No, as it stands I don't want to link to it.
The concept is good but the content is sub-standard. I'll be happy to
correct it and then after it is uploaded I'll deem it acceptable for
inclusion.
LOL!! Actually no. I thought it(Tonnie's page)was good. In fact Tonnie
makes real nice sites. I don't think it needs to be rewritten by you as
you have some misspellings and most of the stuff you write doesn't make
sense. It could be the bong or fishing gets in the way!

snip the rest as it doesn't matter if you go to the grey area, just
don't try boast about ethical
Ah, this makes more sence to me.

Ok, I am glad you are understanding it now.:-) I meant nothing against you
Tonnie.

As i wrote in another post, i am still trying to figure you out and in
that proces i am easily going to misunderstand you.

Hey Tonnie

I love the way you write. It has so many unique cultural traits to it.
It is a fabulous read. Simple, brief and obviously from your SEO soul.
I'm almost in tears again. Hang on ...

Anyway I slightly reworded a couple of things, corrected a serious
spelling error here and there and very lightly worked over a couple of
key sentences, especially at the beginning of the content.

Just to let you know, I am human as well. I am not a perfect spelling
machine. I rely heavily on spell checking features when they are
available. I am using GoogleGroups at this time as a Usenet reader and
haven't figured out whether I wanted to incorporate spell check in
Usenet posting as I don't like spending too much time with one posting.
I just wanted to get back to whatever else is going on.

In English, it can be difficult to effectively express one thing in
more than one way. For example I could not figure out a good way to
express "fishing trip". That's the way we word the expression here. I
started playing around with the Thesaurus and did a few keyphrase
search frequency tests and determined that "angling expedition" was
equally as valuable a term to target and it is a great way to say
"fishing trip"!

Anyway, I'll email you the content shortly.

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It doesn't matter to me as long as its in Canada!
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Els <els.aNOSPAM (AT) tiscali (DOT) nl> wrote:

However, although I'm certainly picking up on SEO stuff and
incorporating it in my work, I'm nowhere near a SEO expert,

You are better then a majority of self proclaimed SEO experts I have seen
dropping in here :-) Moreover, because you use HTML semantically a lot of
SEO is a piece of cake to you and also you understand why & in the value
of the href attribute should be written as &amp; and that it doesn't
affect the actual URL in any way.

I don't
even have any info on the subject on any site. So I'd say Fred is
right to not link to me. At least not on a page that says SEO experts.

(Yet! ;-) )

And yet you can beat quite some people who want to have a link on that
page ;-) Like I wrote: semantic HTML, your expertise, is already important
for SEO, and it will certainly get more and more important. Moreover,
visitors want (or better need) a site that's accessible: your expertise as
well.

When is one a SEO expert? I am sure this includes a firm understanding of
semantic HTML and accessible webdesign. Those are important tools IMO.

--
John

Net::Google and Perl: http://johnbokma.com/perl/net-google.html

"John Bokma" <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote

"Stacey" <Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Big Bill wrote:
Snip

We could all link to each other, I suppose, while we're on the
subject.

Any link intended to assist your Internet visitor is indisputably
ethical. Links from relevant, semantically congruent (
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.b...keyphrase-anch
ors-congruency.html ) web pages usually flows credibility to both web
pages. I think it is a good idea if done naturally.

Ah, so you do think reciprocal linking is ok? LOL. Doesn't matter how
much you sugar coat it and change the wording it is "reciprocal
linking". Reciprocal linking isn't bad and sometimes it is the only
way to gain links.

IMO, reciprocal linking is more like: can you put my link on your links
page, then I add yours.

Still is not bad if related. That is how I gained my links. Craft related
sites or now related to the sites I have.

I guess Fred is more talking about related linking. For example, someone
keeps scorpions, and links to my page on scorpions, and I link back,
because I consider it a great resource. We both consider each other an
addition to our own pages.

Still it would be reciprocal in my standards. If two people link together it
is reciprocal. I have several reciprocal links with people from this group.
Some of them I have more links than coming back to me. But if the favor
wants to be returned in an offer of hey I got some links your way or sites
match can I have some links my way? I do not link out to bad neighborhoods
and keep watch to those I link with and will remove the link.

Note the "if done naturally".

Seems natural to help out a friend both ways with a link.:-) I have help out
many people who didn't have any links, nothing wrong with them reciprocating
the help as a thank you.

Stacey
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Sell your crafts for ***FREE*** - eCraftsOnline
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John Bokma wrote:

Els <els.aNOSPAM (AT) tiscali (DOT) nl> wrote:

However, although I'm certainly picking up on SEO stuff and
incorporating it in my work, I'm nowhere near a SEO expert,

You are better then a majority of self proclaimed SEO experts I have seen
dropping in here :-) Moreover, because you use HTML semantically a lot of
SEO is a piece of cake to you and also you understand why & in the value
of the href attribute should be written as &amp; and that it doesn't
affect the actual URL in any way.

I don't
even have any info on the subject on any site. So I'd say Fred is
right to not link to me. At least not on a page that says SEO experts.

(Yet! ;-) )

And yet you can beat quite some people who want to have a link on that
page ;-) Like I wrote: semantic HTML, your expertise, is already important
for SEO, and it will certainly get more and more important. Moreover,
visitors want (or better need) a site that's accessible: your expertise as
well.

When is one a SEO expert? I am sure this includes a firm understanding of
semantic HTML and accessible webdesign. Those are important tools IMO.

All true. But still - listed as a SEO expert?
For me, SEO is mainly a by-product of the way I build my sites.

--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
accessible web design: http://locusoptimus.com/

www.1-script.com wrote:

canadafred wrote:

Best Regards - Fred
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/

Hey Fred,

You really want to go a little easier on hyphens in your domain name!
I don't know about your REZULTZ ;-) but mine are not all that great on
hyphenated domains and, although I've never used more than one myself,
chances are you'll get hit by Google's latest quality score big times.
It's a relatively new site, you will not loose much if you 301 it to
something that's easier to spell. I think the sooner you do that the
better. BTW, I can't believe canadafred.ca is not available - did you
check it?

I went back to this response and did a search for:

web site promotion expert
mine is 14th with 4 domains above me using hyphens.

To me this indicates hyphens in domain names are certainly not
penalized. They may be negligible in value although it doesn't appear
that way in my eyes.

--
Fred
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.blogspot.com/

"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Stacey wrote:
snip
snip the rest as it doesn't matter if you go to the grey area, just
don't
try boast about ethical

I don't think is called for and I did take offense to it. I'm not
seeking or expecting a response from you on this issue. Out of
professional respect for you and in respect for you as a person I wish
to end this debate with you.

Fred what I tried to state there is I don't care if you do black, white,
green, pink, etc. I am not the one who brought up the alt text in the first
place. I tried to explain to you why someone brought out about the text.

Then you go on about how you are not a graphic designer etc and writing a
novel. I don't think it matters.

I take offence to people coming and putting others down like Will Spencer's
site and Dave's sites and talking ethics. Sure Dave has been bad in the
past, shoot so have you. What matters is that exactly what you said how the
SE's look at it. It is good that some people can tell how SE's look at
things though, especially like this new PR update.;-) Anyway, there isn't
anything wrong with people placing ads, or having affiliate sites. What is
wrong is that so many of them are just flung together and not looking like a
real site should be.

Shoot I haven't met a true SEO Expert, to be an expert you have to know
everything. I have seen some to come close though. Knowledge is power, but
abuse of that power can be a downfall.

Stacey - Ethical Semi-Expert Rug Maker- the use of recycling textiles to
keep the environment green and never cheating on making rugs, it is quality
not quantity!
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Sell your crafts for ***FREE*** - eCraftsOnline
http://www.ecraftsonline.net/sell-your-crafts/

"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

www.1-script.com wrote:
canadafred wrote:

Best Regards - Fred
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/

Hey Fred,

You really want to go a little easier on hyphens in your domain name!
I don't know about your REZULTZ ;-) but mine are not all that great on
hyphenated domains and, although I've never used more than one myself,
chances are you'll get hit by Google's latest quality score big times.
It's a relatively new site, you will not loose much if you 301 it to
something that's easier to spell. I think the sooner you do that the
better. BTW, I can't believe canadafred.ca is not available - did you
check it?

I went back to this response and did a search for:

web site promotion expert
mine is 14th with 4 domains above me using hyphens.

To me this indicates hyphens in domain names are certainly not
penalized. They may be negligible in value although it doesn't appear
that way in my eyes.

I see you at #6 and #1 for website promotion expert. I am with Fred, the is
nothing wrong with hyphens unless they start to get pretty large like
website-promotion-search-optimization-SEO-specialist-expert-involved-with-website-or-site-marketing.net.

Stacey -Ethical Rug Maker - No rugs are harmed in anyway!
--
Crafts - Directory - Your Online Crafting Source
http://www.ecraftsonline.net/
Sell your crafts for ***FREE*** - eCraftsOnline
http://www.ecraftsonline.net/sell-your-crafts/

Els schreef:

John Bokma wrote:

Els <els.aNOSPAM (AT) tiscali (DOT) nl> wrote:

However, although I'm certainly picking up on SEO stuff and
incorporating it in my work, I'm nowhere near a SEO expert,
You are better then a majority of self proclaimed SEO experts I have seen
dropping in here :-) Moreover, because you use HTML semantically a lot of
SEO is a piece of cake to you and also you understand why & in the value
of the href attribute should be written as &amp; and that it doesn't
affect the actual URL in any way.

I don't
even have any info on the subject on any site. So I'd say Fred is
right to not link to me. At least not on a page that says SEO experts.

(Yet! ;-) )
And yet you can beat quite some people who want to have a link on that
page ;-) Like I wrote: semantic HTML, your expertise, is already important
for SEO, and it will certainly get more and more important. Moreover,
visitors want (or better need) a site that's accessible: your expertise as
well.

When is one a SEO expert? I am sure this includes a firm understanding of
semantic HTML and accessible webdesign. Those are important tools IMO.

All true. But still - listed as a SEO expert?
For me, SEO is mainly a by-product of the way I build my sites.

It isn't a by-product if one would view at SEO as an effort to build the
best pages one could.

So if you are building sites with valid - semantic - content first in
mind, you are practising SEO.



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