Google's Little Devil update

On 25 Jul 2006 03:54:23 -0700, "canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Big Bill wrote:
On 25 Jul 2006 03:07:39 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

You are welcome to request a link. Other people that I would like to
see approach me for a link are Roy ( on vacation I think ), John B,

I would love a link.

Also, I would like to "introduce" someone who is currently focussing on
semantic mark up (the good HTML), accessibility and CSS, and learning some
SEO as well: http://locusoptimus.com/ Els and IMO should be added :-D.

We could all link to each other, I suppose, while we're on the
subject.

Any link intended to assist your Internet visitor is indisputably
ethical. Links from relevant, semantically congruent (
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.b...ongruency.html
) web pages usually flows credibility to both web pages. I think it is
a good idea if done naturally.

This internation web site promotion specialists web page is not about
getting "votes", it is about standing up and defending my profession's
integrity. I don't care where it ranks on the SERPs, if ever.

It is about expression. It is about freedom.

You missed out "living the dream".

It is about living within
myself knowing that I have tried to do something about a problem rather
than do like most others and just ignore it or contribute to the
problem. It is about developing an awareness of content duplication,
click-through AdSense fraud empires, enslavement and abuse of children,
link brokering, ... things that directly affect a human life, it's not
about abuse of an a god damn alt tag.

I am rather uncomfortable about some of the characters in SEO today.

They aren't really in SEO, they're just in money and they lately
manifest through SEO.

I
dislike how they tarnish a valuable profession. I simply want to offer
others the other side of the Internet marketing spectrum.

There are only two ways to succesfully promote a web site in the
organic results.

A. Outclass the keyphrase competitiors with indisputably superior
content.

B. Empower good content to make it appear to the search enginesd that
is like A.

A.

BB



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http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/jul...et-posters.htm

On 25 Jul 2006 05:13:40 -0700, "canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

tonnie wrote:
canadafred schreef:
Big Bill wrote:
On 25 Jul 2006 03:07:39 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

You are welcome to request a link. Other people that I would like to
see approach me for a link are Roy ( on vacation I think ), John B,
I would love a link.

Also, I would like to "introduce" someone who is currently focussing on
semantic mark up (the good HTML), accessibility and CSS, and learning some
SEO as well: http://locusoptimus.com/ Els and IMO should be added :-D.
We could all link to each other, I suppose, while we're on the
subject.

Any link intended to assist your Internet visitor is indisputably
ethical. Links from relevant, semantically congruent (
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.b...ongruency.html
) web pages usually flows credibility to both web pages. I think it is
a good idea if done naturally.

This internation web site promotion specialists web page is not about
getting "votes", it is about standing up and defending my profession's
integrity. I don't care where it ranks on the SERPs, if ever.

It is about expression. It is about freedom. It is about living within
myself knowing that I have tried to do something about a problem rather
than do like most others and just ignore it or contribute to the
problem. It is about developing an awareness of content duplication,
click-through AdSense fraud empires, enslavement and abuse of children,
link brokering, ... things that directly affect a human life, it's not
about abuse of an a god damn alt tag.

I am rather uncomfortable about some of the characters in SEO today. I
dislike how they tarnish a valuable profession. I simply want to offer
others the other side of the Internet marketing spectrum.

There are only two ways to succesfully promote a web site in the
organic results.

A. Outclass the keyphrase competitiors with indisputably superior
content.

B. Empower good content to make it appear to the search enginesd that
is like A.

Well spoken!

all the best

You too.

Being found: http://vision2form.nl/websitedesign/being-found.html

hey Tonnie, good article, sound SEO advice. The text is somewhat weak
though. I'd be honoured to revise the text personally to reflect a
better use of the English language.

and make it about fishing...

BB
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http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/jul...et-posters.htm

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:52:06 +0100, Jez <j.ez (AT) virgin (DOT) net> wrote:

Big Bill wrote:
she helped me with my CSS, I'd link to her.

BB

I thought your site looked better!

Jez.

When? She didn't do the new blue stuff.

BB
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http://www.kruse.co.uk/seo-services.htm
http://www.crystal-liaison.com/baby-gund/index.html
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/jul...et-posters.htm

Big Bill wrote:

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:52:06 +0100, Jez <j.ez (AT) virgin (DOT) net> wrote:


Big Bill wrote:

she helped me with my CSS, I'd link to her.

BB

I thought your site looked better!

Jez.


When? She didn't do the new blue stuff.

BB

oh, well, it certainly looks better. It was like a Jacobs cracker before
before. Now it's more like a digestive.

;-)

Jez.

Big Bill wrote:

On 25 Jul 2006 02:54:48 -0700, "canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com
wrote:


John Bokma wrote:
"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

You are welcome to request a link. Other people that I would like to
see approach me for a link are Roy ( on vacation I think ), John B,

I would love a link.

Also, I would like to "introduce" someone who is currently focussing on
semantic mark up (the good HTML), accessibility and CSS, and learning some
SEO as well: http://locusoptimus.com/ Els and IMO should be added :-D.

Done

I am not allowing many into my recommended international SEO masters
page. I don't know Els, I have never examined their work, read their
insights ...

Her work, her insights... she helped me with my CSS, I'd link to her.

Well thank you :-)

However, although I'm certainly picking up on SEO stuff and
incorporating it in my work, I'm nowhere near a SEO expert, I don't
even have any info on the subject on any site. So I'd say Fred is
right to not link to me. At least not on a page that says SEO experts.

(Yet! ;-) )

--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
accessible web design: http://locusoptimus.com/

"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Big Bill wrote:
Snip

We could all link to each other, I suppose, while we're on the
subject.

Any link intended to assist your Internet visitor is indisputably
ethical. Links from relevant, semantically congruent (
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.b...ongruency.html
) web pages usually flows credibility to both web pages. I think it is
a good idea if done naturally.

Ah, so you do think reciprocal linking is ok? LOL. Doesn't matter how mcuh
you sugar coat it and change the wording it is "reciprocal linking".
Reciprocal linking isn't bad and sometimes it is the only way to gain links.

This internation web site promotion specialists web page is not about
getting "votes", it is about standing up and defending my profession's
integrity. I don't care where it ranks on the SERPs, if ever.

Looks to me as you are getting links to go on a web page with the anchor
text to help the SERPS.:-) No problem with that either.

<snip>

not about abuse of an a god damn alt tag.

You brought that one on yourself. You went on about here in this thread and
stated..............
"Lately I have been obsessed with SEO ethics. Hopefully the site reflects
that"

TJ just pointed out what he didn't think was ethical that is all. Now I
don't want to get into it with hash slinging and have you come off all
defensive but this is what you had said and how it came about.

I am rather uncomfortable about some of the characters in SEO today.

Yep, there are some that do harm to people sites. Our business doesn't not
do that though.;-)

Stacey
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http://www.ecraftsonline.net/
Sell your crafts for ***FREE*** - eCraftsOnline
http://www.ecraftsonline.net/sell-your-crafts/

Els wrote:

Big Bill wrote:

On 25 Jul 2006 02:54:48 -0700, "canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com
wrote:


John Bokma wrote:
"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

You are welcome to request a link. Other people that I would like to
see approach me for a link are Roy ( on vacation I think ), John B,

I would love a link.

Also, I would like to "introduce" someone who is currently focussing on
semantic mark up (the good HTML), accessibility and CSS, and learning some
SEO as well: http://locusoptimus.com/ Els and IMO should be added :-D.

Done

I am not allowing many into my recommended international SEO masters
page. I don't know Els, I have never examined their work, read their
insights ...

Her work, her insights... she helped me with my CSS, I'd link to her.

Well thank you :-)

However, although I'm certainly picking up on SEO stuff and
incorporating it in my work, I'm nowhere near a SEO expert, I don't
even have any info on the subject on any site. So I'd say Fred is
right to not link to me. At least not on a page that says SEO experts.

(Yet! ;-) )

Hey how's it going Els

I don't believe I have ever had a discussion with you here. I will keep
an eye out for you at A.I.S.E. and try to participate in productive
debate with you.

According to what I have been seeing lately, a person is an SEO
specialist when they say they are. We get SEO experts coming in here
asking about things that my 7 year old nephew is well aware of. Perhaps
in their corner of the world, these "web site promotion specialists"
are the only ones that know enough English to even write content. They
are trying to get their regional and national business web sites in the
international SERPs. I applaud their confidence in themselves even
though at the international level, they are usually weak. Everybody has
to start somewhere.

Many of these new SEO experts are from countries whose national
languages do not include English. Not being born into the English
language is a major stumbling block for many of these junior SEOs.
Unfortunately, it is this same obstacle that often forces good people
into unethical SEO and business practices. Many of these SERP
manipulators don't know any better and sadlysome of them don't really
have any free choices regarding ethics. In general, their content
cannot in itself make the top SERP positions, particularly in
meaningful keyphrase competitions. The substance within the web pages
is weak and in order to empower the content they must seek externally.
For them, link building campaigns are their only hope for decent
rankings.

Some of these non-English speaking "optimizers" are getting fairly
organized lately. I had a good example today.

I just commented on a post at Daniweb Search Engine Optimzation forum
http://www.daniweb.com/techtalkforums/thread42250.html . An SEO from
India wrote a bunch of crap in order to start a thread, then all of a
sudden these ten or so unknown SEO experts start commenting about how
wonderful of a revelation this new SEO crap is. It looks almost natural
but to a skilled eye, it is clearly an attempt to artificially
manipulate the poor quality content and to enhance one another's
credibility with linked anchor signatures. Google loves this kind stuff
but the stuff is still crap. The average searcher doesn't know that.

To some countries, the Internet is just a place to exploit searchers
and AdWords advertisers, nothing else. In some countries, I would
suspect that AdSense has a significant influence on their economies at
the expense of the Western world. I could take this concept a little
further but have learned from my previous attempt to open the world's
eyes that I can in fact be intimidated enough to not speak about it.

We're not afraid.
http://www.werenotafraid.com/

--
Fred - Canadian SEO ethics advocate
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:56:45 +0100, Jez <j.ez (AT) virgin (DOT) net> wrote:

Big Bill wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:52:06 +0100, Jez <j.ez (AT) virgin (DOT) net> wrote:


Big Bill wrote:

she helped me with my CSS, I'd link to her.

BB

I thought your site looked better!

Jez.


When? She didn't do the new blue stuff.

BB

oh, well, it certainly looks better. It was like a Jacobs cracker before
before. Now it's more like a digestive.

;-)

Jez.

Coo! (thinks furiously about digestive jokes, can't get further than a
vague memory of William Franklin...) Thanks! Work in progress actually
but it is a little more colourful. I got the CSS etc from
http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamici...rome/index.htm but I
haven't yet even tried to validate it. I have that big fun in store
:-(

BB
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http://www.kruse.co.uk/seo-services.htm
http://www.crystal-liaison.com/baby-gund/index.html
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/jul...et-posters.htm

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:29:02 +0200, "Stacey"
<Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1153824863.327094.165170 (AT) m79g2000cwm (DOT) googlegroups.com...

Big Bill wrote:
Snip

We could all link to each other, I suppose, while we're on the
subject.

Any link intended to assist your Internet visitor is indisputably
ethical. Links from relevant, semantically congruent (
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.b...ongruency.html
) web pages usually flows credibility to both web pages. I think it is
a good idea if done naturally.

Ah, so you do think reciprocal linking is ok?

It is with us. Sites of quality both ways. Useless for PR but good for
visitors and traffic. I rejected yet another link from some
upwardly-mobile Apu-type today. If I don't know'em, I don't link
with'em.

LOL. Doesn't matter how mcuh
you sugar coat it and change the wording it is "reciprocal linking".
Reciprocal linking isn't bad and sometimes it is the only way to gain links.

This internation web site promotion specialists web page is not about
getting "votes", it is about standing up and defending my profession's
integrity. I don't care where it ranks on the SERPs, if ever.

Looks to me as you are getting links to go on a web page with the anchor
text to help the SERPS.:-) No problem with that either.

snip

not about abuse of an a god damn alt tag.

You brought that one on yourself. You went on about here in this thread and
stated..............
"Lately I have been obsessed with SEO ethics. Hopefully the site reflects
that"

TJ just pointed out what he didn't think was ethical that is all.

I suspect he was referring to Cat's hysterical condemnation rather
than T.J.'s comments.

BB
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http://www.kruse.co.uk/seo-services.htm
http://www.crystal-liaison.com/baby-gund/index.html
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/jul...et-posters.htm

Stacey wrote:

"canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1153824863.327094.165170 (AT) m79g2000cwm (DOT) googlegroups.com...

Big Bill wrote:
Snip

We could all link to each other, I suppose, while we're on the
subject.

Any link intended to assist your Internet visitor is indisputably
ethical. Links from relevant, semantically congruent (
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.b...ongruency.html
) web pages usually flows credibility to both web pages. I think it is
a good idea if done naturally.

Ah, so you do think reciprocal linking is ok? LOL. Doesn't matter how mcuh
you sugar coat it and change the wording it is "reciprocal linking".
Reciprocal linking isn't bad and sometimes it is the only way to gain links.

Hey Stacey how's it going.

What is the purpose of a outbound link? It is to facilitae a way for an
Internet visitor to find more information on the sunbject at hand. If
the link is relevant and clearly labelled as part of the subject matter
at hand, there is no problem. If Bill wants to link to my web page
because he feels it has value for his visitors and is similarly themed
to one of his web page's agendas, then he is free to link to my web
page. I don't care if he does or not.

This internation web site promotion specialists web page is not about
getting "votes", it is about standing up and defending my profession's
integrity. I don't care where it ranks on the SERPs, if ever.

Looks to me as you are getting links to go on a web page with the anchor
text to help the SERPS.:-) No problem with that either.

I am an SEO expert Stacey. Everything I touch rocks the SERPs
intentionally or not. I suspect that this page will have SERP
performance down the road for something but that's a side-effect.

snip

not about abuse of an a god damn alt tag.

You brought that one on yourself. You went on about here in this thread and
stated..............
"Lately I have been obsessed with SEO ethics. Hopefully the site reflects
that"

TJ just pointed out what he didn't think was ethical that is all. Now I
don't want to get into it with hash slinging and have you come off all
defensive but this is what you had said and how it came about.

I don't hear them saying much anymore. The didn't like "Canada SEO
Expert" as an attribute to the Canadian flag image so I changed it to
"Canada Flag Representing SEO Expert Fred Joly Home Country". How do
they feel about the use of the attribute now? Now it's spammy, but
according to them, it's ethical. ( I know the original comment was
regarding UK flag, but don't want to embarass BB ).

I am rather uncomfortable about some of the characters in SEO today.

Yep, there are some that do harm to people sites. Our business doesn't not
do that though.;-)

--
regards Fred
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/