GoogleAdwords

#1

Does google allow affiliates to advertise here and if so how can you
possibly afford to pay a dollar per click to reach high rankings when
most products/services only have a 1 in 50 conversion ratio.

Also, can anyone suggest other marketing methods to a newbie in the
affiliate business?

#2

Thomas L wrote:

Quote:

how can you
possibly afford to pay a dollar per click to reach high rankings when
most products/services only have a 1 in 50 conversion ratio.

I'd say there is no such thing as "most products/services have x
conversion ratio". Every product and service is unique and it's impossible
to lump them all together like you just did. Believe you or not, but some
businesses can afford to pay several dollars per click, not just $1.
However, I think you are getting the whole game of keyword advertising
wrong. The outrageous price per click in most cases only applies to #1 and
#2 spots. I do not know what is the product or service you are trying to
market, but in most computer-related niches I'm familiar with you can
still pay 5 to 10 cents per click and be on the first page. There are,
obviously keywords that so many people want so badly that they jack the
price up to unbearable levels, but there is an easy solution: just drop
those keywords, spend your money elsewhere.

Quote:

Also, can anyone suggest other marketing methods to a newbie in the
affiliate business?

AdWords is not the only one but probably the quickest way to market. If
you are just starting out, you may have to use it anyways until your other
venues catch up. You will get a lot of good info about the programs and
learn quite a few tricks from Andrew Goodman's "Winning Results with
Google AdWords" ISBN:0072257024 Amazon sells it for outrageously low price
of 16 clicks ;-)

Good luck!

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#3

__/ [www.1-script.com] on Monday 17 October 2005 02:53 \__

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Thomas L wrote:

how can you
possibly afford to pay a dollar per click to reach high rankings when
most products/services only have a 1 in 50 conversion ratio.

I'd say there is no such thing as "most products/services have x
conversion ratio". Every product and service is unique and it's impossible
to lump them all together like you just did. Believe you or not, but some
businesses can afford to pay several dollars per click, not just $1.
However, I think you are getting the whole game of keyword advertising
wrong. The outrageous price per click in most cases only applies to #1 and
#2 spots. I do not know what is the product or service you are trying to
market, but in most computer-related niches I'm familiar with you can
still pay 5 to 10 cents per click and be on the first page. There are,
obviously keywords that so many people want so badly that they jack the
price up to unbearable levels, but there is an easy solution: just drop
those keywords, spend your money elsewhere.

Exactly. Advertising doesn't work too well. I am sick and tired of all
those 'big daddies' and pathological liars who argue they can make
a living solely on advertisements. The same is more or less true when
it comes to sports. I have a friend who plays at the top leagues so
I know this for a fact. The lies are nothing more by means of keeping
up appearance. The verses of impressive arguments sure sounds good,
but there is no evidence to support it.

I'll be brutally honest and toss my cards at the table. I earn about
80 cents per 1400 visits to my site. This is not even enough to cover
Web host expenses. Is the content inadequate for profit-making (or
balancing/self-maintaining in my case as I'm non-profit)? I think not.
I see no flaw in the latest of IT, Palm, programming, etc. I am not
running a site on developing African nations, for instance.

Quote:

Also, can anyone suggest other marketing methods to a newbie in the
affiliate business?

AdWords is not the only one but probably the quickest way to market. If
you are just starting out, you may have to use it anyways until your other
venues catch up. You will get a lot of good info about the programs and
learn quite a few tricks from Andrew Goodman's "Winning Results with
Google AdWords" ISBN:0072257024 Amazon sells it for outrageously low price
of 16 clicks ;-)

I thought those idiots were patenting a one-click purchase. I am glad
to have been told otherwise.

Quote:

Good luck!

Roy

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#4

Thomas L wrote:

Quote:

Does google allow affiliates to advertise here and if so how can you
possibly afford to pay a dollar per click to reach high rankings when
most products/services only have a 1 in 50 conversion ratio.

It depends on the cost of what you are selling. We pay up to £2 per click
on Google, but we are selling a service that costs several hundred pounds.
Then add potential future transactions on top of that and it easy so see it
is worthwhile.

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#5

Roy Schestowitz wrote:

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I'll be brutally honest and toss my cards at the table. I earn about
80 cents per 1400 visits to my site. This is not even enough to cover
Web host expenses. Is the content inadequate for profit-making (or
balancing/self-maintaining in my case as I'm non-profit)? I think not.
I see no flaw in the latest of IT, Palm, programming, etc. I am not
running a site on developing African nations, for instance.

$0.80 for 1400 visits? That's $0.57 CPM. Roy, you need help. Let me know
if you want it.

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#6

__/ [www.1-script.com] on Monday 17 October 2005 13:18 \__

Quote:

Roy Schestowitz wrote:

I'll be brutally honest and toss my cards at the table. I earn about
80 cents per 1400 visits to my site. This is not even enough to cover
Web host expenses. Is the content inadequate for profit-making (or
balancing/self-maintaining in my case as I'm non-profit)? I think not.
I see no flaw in the latest of IT, Palm, programming, etc. I am not
running a site on developing African nations, for instance.

$0.80 for 1400 visits? That's $0.57 CPM. Roy, you need help. Let me know
if you want it.

Some of these might be RSS requests, but I have not done the maths to come
up with precise figures. Since only parts of the sites contain adverts, I
only get around 500 impressions per day. So, it's not as terrible as it
initially sounded.

I am aware that I mention some figures above. Due to my ad programme
agreements, I am not saying anything about who is behind it, neither am I
allowed to. You can judge for yourselves though. The figures make it clear
why I am not allowed to discuss this either.

Roy

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#7

Roy Schestowitz wrote:

Quote:

$0.80 for 1400 visits? That's $0.57 CPM. Roy, you need help. Let
me know
if you want it.

Quote:

I am aware that I mention some figures above. Due to my ad programme
agreements, I am not saying anything about who is behind it, neither am
I
allowed to. You can judge for yourselves though. The figures make it
clear
why I am not allowed to discuss this either.
Hi Roy,

I know the rules so I'm not saying you need to publish any numbers here.
Besides, my own estimate is a bit off 'cause I do not know how many
pageviews *your* visit represents, and we'd need pages to come up with a
CPM value. It’s actually worse 'cause some visits represent multiple page
views ;-) I just wanted to make it a point that it's way way low right now.

Drop me an e-mail if you want to discuss optimization of your ads.

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#8

__/ [www.1-script.com] on Monday 17 October 2005 14:32 \__

Quote:

Roy Schestowitz wrote:

$0.80 for 1400 visits? That's $0.57 CPM. Roy, you need help. Let
me know
if you want it.

I am aware that I mention some figures above. Due to my ad programme
agreements, I am not saying anything about who is behind it, neither am
I
allowed to. You can judge for yourselves though. The figures make it
clear
why I am not allowed to discuss this either.
Hi Roy,

I know the rules so I'm not saying you need to publish any numbers here.
Besides, my own estimate is a bit off 'cause I do not know how many
pageviews *your* visit represents, and we'd need pages to come up with a
CPM value. It’s actually worse 'cause some visits represent multiple page
views ;-) I just wanted to make it a point that it's way way low right
now.

Drop me an e-mail if you want to discuss optimization of your ads.

I'm not truly bothered about it since these 'margins', if I may call them
margins -- that is where I have to fund Web hosting for my sites -- are
affordable, even for a student.

Speaking of affordability, I have just registered Iuron with
Sourceforge.net. I chose the BSD licence for reasons which I believe to be
valid. I already have 2 projects on sf.net and one on freshmeat.net. If you
are willing to join in and help, let me know. I have the advantage of
Sourceforge and Freshmeat familiarity and orientation, I think.

When I come to think of it, I ought to consider the implications of a BSD
licensing (this can still be changed later), which may prevent re-use of
GPL'd project, of which there are plenty. So much code is available and
'splicing' them together can hopefully lead to achievement. I can think of
plenty of missing bits and resources (databases) though...

Roy

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#9

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:40:48 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
<newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

I know the rules so I'm not saying you need to publish any numbers here.
Besides, my own estimate is a bit off 'cause I do not know how many
pageviews *your* visit represents, and we'd need pages to come up with a
CPM value. It’s actually worse 'cause some visits represent multiple page
views ;-) I just wanted to make it a point that it's way way low right
now.

Drop me an e-mail if you want to discuss optimization of your ads.

I'm not truly bothered about it since these 'margins', if I may call them
margins -- that is where I have to fund Web hosting for my sites -- are
affordable, even for a student.

If you get 500 page impressions a day realistically the most you could
make from Adsense is a few dollars a day, $5+ a day if your content is
highish cost keywords and you ugly up your site a bit.

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#10

__/ [David] on Monday 17 October 2005 14:51 \__

Quote:

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:40:48 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

I know the rules so I'm not saying you need to publish any numbers here.
Besides, my own estimate is a bit off 'cause I do not know how many
pageviews *your* visit represents, and we'd need pages to come up with a
CPM value. It’s actually worse 'cause some visits represent multiple
page views ;-) I just wanted to make it a point that it's way way low
right now.

Drop me an e-mail if you want to discuss optimization of your ads.

I'm not truly bothered about it since these 'margins', if I may call them
margins -- that is where I have to fund Web hosting for my sites -- are
affordable, even for a student.

If you get 500 page impressions a day realistically the most you could
make from Adsense is a few dollars a day, $5+ a day if your content is
highish cost keywords and you ugly up your site a bit.

For bandwidth savings, right? As opposed as avoidance of distracting content
in favour of deceiving ads that appear as if they were content...

Roy

PS - A second wave of DoS attacks has begun to hit this morning. Bummer!

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