Google-Sun alliance hints at future deals

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The fresh alliance between Google and Sun Microsystems is seen in some
quarters as perhaps the toughest threat yet to Microsoft's dominance
as the world's leader in the personal computer software market.

Under the agreement, Sun is being paid an undisclosed sum to add
Google's browser toolbar to its Java software. Sun will also buy
Google advertising space.

Google, in return, has vowed to "explore opportunities to promote and
enhance" the Sun-backed open-source software OpenOffice and Sun's Java
software, as well as buying some Sun hardware and software.

"Working with Google will make our technologies available more
broadly, increase options for users, lower barriers and expand
participation worldwide," said Sun chief Scott McNealy.

At least, that is what he hopes.

But there are plenty of sceptics who feel that Google and Sun's lofty
aspirations are just that: aspirations.

Hypothetical benefits

Tuesday's announcement fell far short of offering a real alternative
to Office, which accounts for more than 40% of Microsoft's operating
profit - mainly because Google failed to go the whole way and offer
OpenOffice as an internet service or as a download for the 80 million
people who use Google each month.

"OpenOffice is already an alternative, but if Google gets involved in
supporting it, that could be the thing that puts it over the top,"
says John Rymer, analyst with Forrester Research.

So far, this possibility remains purely hypothetical.

Critics observe that Google's chief executive Eric Schmidt was notably
keen to stress that Tuesday's agreement did not involve such
cooperation with Sun.

Publicity stunt

So whereas there are plenty of reasons why investors should be
excited, if not by the alliance itself than at least by its potential,
and whereas nobody doubts Google's ability to pose a serious challenge
to Microsoft, its commitment to do so remains in doubt.

In fact, even Sun's preparedness to go head-to-head with Microsoft is
being questioned. After all, Sun and Microsoft are themselves locked
in a separate alliance that aims to ensure Sun computers work well
when running Office.

Some even see Tuesday's announcement as little more than a publicity
stunt.

There are acidic suggestions that Mr Schmidt agreed to pose alongside
Mr McNealy as a gesture of goodwill inspired by a sense of loyalty to
a former boss. (Mr Schmidt worked for Sun for 14 years).

"I think Eric is doing this as a personal favour for Scott," says
industry analyst Rob Enderle. "It provides a certain amount of press
and visibility to Sun when there hasn't been very many positive things
going on at the company."

Further initiatives

Yet it would be churlish to dismiss the partnership outright.

Mr Schmidt did say he was looking forward to "exploring other related
areas of collaboration", and Mr McNealy said "we expect more".

There is no shortage of possible avenues such collaboration can take.

One promising route forward could see Google integrate Java into its
existing email, instant messaging and telephony services.

This would enable Sun to distribute Microsoft-independent content to
Google's users, making its arch-rival redundant for many computer
users.

Google might also seek to integrate Sun software with its Gmail
offering, with a view to challenging Microsoft's Outlook.

Google's Gmail currently lacks a calendar function, and some believe
the firm would like to add one - albeit perhaps a limited version that
could serve home users well without meeting the requirements of
corporate users, thus avoiding a head-on challenge to Microsoft's
business model.

For the time being none of these routes are being talked about in
public, and there are no reasons why Microsoft should worry as yet.

There is little doubt, however, that the software giant is warily
waiting for Google and Sun's next move.

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Paul <webmaster (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4311306.stm

The fresh alliance between Google and Sun Microsystems is seen in some
quarters as perhaps the toughest threat yet to Microsoft's dominance
as the world's leader in the personal computer software market.

Under the agreement, Sun is being paid an undisclosed sum to add
Google's browser toolbar to its Java software.

Does this mean that there will be a Swing thingy that adds a Google
toolbar to a window? (I guess yes). Cooler would it be if the API gets
extended, and hence PageRank requests become ok to do via the API.

....

Hypothetical benefits

Tuesday's announcement fell far short of offering a real alternative
to Office, which accounts for more than 40% of Microsoft's operating
profit - mainly because Google failed to go the whole way and offer
OpenOffice as an internet service

How many people use this feature?

or as a download for the 80 million
people who use Google each month.

There is already a perfectly cool site where it can be downloaded, I
mean: http://www.google.com/search?q=open%20office, first hit. I wonder
how many people find it that way compared to clicking on a link at
Google "Get OpenOffice now!" if it was there...

"OpenOffice is already an alternative,

What's an alternative? For some it is, for others it isn't.

but if Google gets involved in
supporting it, that could be the thing that puts it over the top,"
says John Rymer, analyst with Forrester Research.

So far, this possibility remains purely hypothetical.

Exactly. I would prefer if OO GUI is overhauled, and I heard that the
actuall code makes tears pop up in the eyes of programmers. But ok,
that's what I've heard :-)

....

One promising route forward could see Google integrate Java into its
existing email, instant messaging and telephony services.

This would enable Sun to distribute Microsoft-independent content

How does an email, an instant message depend on Microsoft?

to
Google's users, making its arch-rival redundant for many computer
users.

Come again?

Google might also seek to integrate Sun software with its Gmail
offering, with a view to challenging Microsoft's Outlook.

Since Gmail runs on a server, it doesn't matter what they use, if they
want to challenge MS's Outlook, they could use Cobol for that matter.

Google's Gmail currently lacks a calendar function, and some believe
the firm would like to add one - albeit perhaps a limited version that
could serve home users well without meeting the requirements of
corporate users, thus avoiding a head-on challenge to Microsoft's
business model.

So the only thing Google has to do is add a calendar, and everybody
switches from Outlook to Gmail?

For the time being none of these routes are being talked about in
public,

I can guess why, because they are made out of thin air.

and there are no reasons why Microsoft should worry as yet.

Exactly.

There is little doubt, however, that the software giant is warily
waiting for Google and Sun's next move.

Of course, and vice versa. And finally, it wouldn't amaze me if there is
going to be a MSN toolbar added to C#...

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On 6 Oct 2005 10:17:12 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

Paul <webmaster (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4311306.stm

The fresh alliance between Google and Sun Microsystems is seen in some
quarters as perhaps the toughest threat yet to Microsoft's dominance
as the world's leader in the personal computer software market.

Under the agreement, Sun is being paid an undisclosed sum to add
Google's browser toolbar to its Java software.

Does this mean that there will be a Swing thingy that adds a Google
toolbar to a window? (I guess yes). Cooler would it be if the API gets
extended, and hence PageRank requests become ok to do via the API.

...

Hypothetical benefits

Tuesday's announcement fell far short of offering a real alternative
to Office, which accounts for more than 40% of Microsoft's operating
profit - mainly because Google failed to go the whole way and offer
OpenOffice as an internet service

How many people use this feature?

or as a download for the 80 million
people who use Google each month.

There is already a perfectly cool site where it can be downloaded, I
mean: http://www.google.com/search?q=open%20office, first hit. I wonder
how many people find it that way compared to clicking on a link at
Google "Get OpenOffice now!" if it was there...

"OpenOffice is already an alternative,

What's an alternative? For some it is, for others it isn't.

but if Google gets involved in
supporting it, that could be the thing that puts it over the top,"
says John Rymer, analyst with Forrester Research.

So far, this possibility remains purely hypothetical.

Exactly. I would prefer if OO GUI is overhauled, and I heard that the
actuall code makes tears pop up in the eyes of programmers. But ok,
that's what I've heard :-)

...

One promising route forward could see Google integrate Java into its
existing email, instant messaging and telephony services.

This would enable Sun to distribute Microsoft-independent content

How does an email, an instant message depend on Microsoft?

to
Google's users, making its arch-rival redundant for many computer
users.

Come again?

Google might also seek to integrate Sun software with its Gmail
offering, with a view to challenging Microsoft's Outlook.

Since Gmail runs on a server, it doesn't matter what they use, if they
want to challenge MS's Outlook, they could use Cobol for that matter.

Google's Gmail currently lacks a calendar function, and some believe
the firm would like to add one - albeit perhaps a limited version that
could serve home users well without meeting the requirements of
corporate users, thus avoiding a head-on challenge to Microsoft's
business model.

So the only thing Google has to do is add a calendar, and everybody
switches from Outlook to Gmail?

For the time being none of these routes are being talked about in
public,

I can guess why, because they are made out of thin air.

and there are no reasons why Microsoft should worry as yet.

Exactly.

There is little doubt, however, that the software giant is warily
waiting for Google and Sun's next move.

Of course, and vice versa. And finally, it wouldn't amaze me if there is
going to be a MSN toolbar added to C#...

I've no idea John.
I only posted what was written on the bbc site

plh
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Paul <webmaster (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote:

I've no idea John.
I only posted what was written on the bbc site

Hi Paul,

I understood that, and I was just asking questions aloud :-)

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On 6 Oct 2005 14:40:18 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

Paul <webmaster (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote:

I've no idea John.
I only posted what was written on the bbc site

Hi Paul,

I understood that, and I was just asking questions aloud :-)

No probs John
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On 6 Oct 2005 14:40:18 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

Paul <webmaster (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote:

I've no idea John.
I only posted what was written on the bbc site

Hi Paul,

I understood that, and I was just asking questions aloud :-)

No probs John

There is more on Slashdot :-)

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0...15&from=usenet
Google Declares War on Microsoft

Ook:
http://www.google.com/intl/en/press/...n_toolbar.html



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John Bokma wrote:

Ook:
^^^

<g>
Too much time spent in the Dutch groups today? :P



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Els <els.aNOSPAM (AT) tiscali (DOT) nl> wrote:

John Bokma wrote:

Ook:
^^^
g
Too much time spent in the Dutch groups today? :P

No, I am having 2 Dutch MSN chats, one English, and I post somewhere
between finishing to read an English page, and starting to read a Dutch
one, while attempting to make jokes in Spanish :-)

(Oh, and I haven't slept at all, compared to hardly yesterday :-) )

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John Bokma wrote:

(Oh, and I haven't slept at all, compared to hardly yesterday :-) )

I did indeed wonder when you'd cave in and go to bed, but you didn't
<g>

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Els <els.aNOSPAM (AT) tiscali (DOT) nl> wrote:

John Bokma wrote:

(Oh, and I haven't slept at all, compared to hardly yesterday :-) )

I did indeed wonder when you'd cave in and go to bed, but you didn't
g

Nah, caving in is not in my dictionairy this week, sadly. The real fun
starts when I can't sleep tonight again :-(

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