Google Sandbox theory disputed?

I read a lot about the sandbox theory, and feel as I have been a victim
of it over time. So basically, I am a believer. So how does this
work?

Do a Google search for search engine optimization raleigh

#1 is a biz.yahoo PR News story. Zero backlinks in Google. and the
page is very new Feb 6, 2006 and it is Number 1?

There are quite a few companies trying for that spot with good SEO
work.

How does this get to #1 in less than a month? Has been #1 for a couple
of weeks now.

TIA

"rliddle" <rliddle (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

Do a Google search for search engine optimization raleigh

#1 is a biz.yahoo PR News story. Zero backlinks in Google. and the
page is very new Feb 6, 2006 and it is Number 1?

I don't see anything like that. Which Google are you using? Google.com
doesn't show any biz.yahoo PR results.

The #1 guy boasts top rankings for : Spankys Restaurant & Bar , I wouldn't
sweat that type of competitor too much.

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On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:38:22 +0100, canadafred <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Do a Google search for search engine optimization raleigh

#1 is a biz.yahoo PR News story. Zero backlinks in Google. and the
page is very new Feb 6, 2006 and it is Number 1?

I don't see anything like that. Which Google are you using? Google.com
doesn't show any biz.yahoo PR results.

I see them on most datacenters.

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search engine optimization raleigh

I did it on Big Daddy and got the Yahoo .biz

Then I did:

raleigh search engine optimization

And got different results. Order is very important in keyword
assembly. There's a corollary to that which I leave for the reader.
Especially those who hink you need inbound links.

I have a partial understanding of order and all the differences it can
make. I just can't figure out why that got to #1 in1 month.

I have a partial understanding of order and all the differences it can
make. I just can't figure out why that got to #1 in1 month.

OK. This is my theory, and it's worth exactly what you're paying for
it.

I believe that Google is essentially a large group of asynchronous
processes. One set of "engines" - for want of a better word - "crawl".
And that; I think, is a complex process. My sitemaps and robots.txt
files are downloaded roughly once a day, unless I resubmit a sitemap -
then they generally download within an hour. Spidering is more erratic
and often takes place in several "Google runs". I hardly dare say it
here, but they seem to spider in sitemap priority order. Sometime
later a caching process and an indexing process take place on different
servers. Rollout to data centers occurs according to their capacity.

Here's what I think is the good bit. I believe that when Google first
sees an occurence of a new home page, it assigns a high priority to it
going through the spidering and indexing processes.

A completely new domain with a completely new home page will often get
that page (but only that page) through to good SERPS in a few days.
Very often #1. My record is 48 hours.

The rest of the site, including that home page, seems to progress
through the system behind the queue.

Here's the real controversial bit. In most cases, I believe the home
page best expresses what the company does. Pages hung off it tend to
be less specific and less relevant - so that they actually drag the
home page down when the reindexing is done.

rliddle wrote:

I read a lot about the sandbox theory, and feel as I have been a victim
of it over time. So basically, I am a believer. So how does this
work?

Do a Google search for search engine optimization raleigh

#1 is a biz.yahoo PR News story. Zero backlinks in Google. and the
page is very new Feb 6, 2006 and it is Number 1?

There are quite a few companies trying for that spot with good SEO
work.

How does this get to #1 in less than a month? Has been #1 for a couple
of weeks now.

How do you know that Google sees zero backlinks? (you didn't post the
URL and I don't get the same results as you so I can't look) but it will
have some internal backlinks from the biz.yahoo.com domain. If they come
from http://biz.yahoo.com/top.html then that is a PR7 page.

Also the biz.yahoo.com domain won't be in any possible sandbox.... it is
a very old domain.

Unless I've misunderstood something in your post it seems like a bad
example. Find a newly registered domain that ranks well.

The sandbox, if it exists, appears to affect new _sites_, not new
_pages_.

Yahoo has been around for awhile.

Will

On 5 Mar 2006 19:04:26 -0700,
will.spencer (AT) internet-search-en...) no-spam.invalid
(Will.Spencer) wrote:

The sandbox, if it exists, appears to affect new _sites_, not new
_pages_.

It's a probationary period during which a site is held back in the
ranks until Google is satisfied as to its provenance.

My take!

BB

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"Will.Spencer" wrote ...

The sandbox, if it exists, appears to affect new _sites_, not new
_pages_.

Additionally, the centre of the 'theory' is that new sites may be treated in
apparently random and unpredictable ways - which frequently include getting
wildly good early placement, possibly followed by complete disappearance.

So disputing the 'theory' on the basis of one site, about which little is
known, seems a tad optimistic.
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