google position

Hi,

I have a question regarding positioning in Google. Officialy position
of any web page depends on how many external links lead to that web
page, right?
The question comes from weird thing I discovered. My friend is
financial publicist. When you would type his name in google first
results would lead to his articles. But lately he has found out, that
the first place is now occupied by someone who published his
genealogical tree. When one would try advanced search in google, he
would find out that no pages have link to that with the tree. So how
come it's first result?

Thanks in advance

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:06:33 +0200, rzulty <rzulty0 (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote:

I have a question regarding positioning in Google. Officialy position
of any web page depends on how many external links lead to that web
page, right?

Niezupe³nie

There are many factors taken into account by Google when deciding search
results. Links are most important, but other things (so called on page
optimization) can change the picture. First of all - anchor texts. Name
of your friend is probably mentioned as anchor text to the genealogical
page. This page has probably name of your friend repeated many times,
probably the name is in the page title and in the description, perhaps
even in url. All these can shift that page ranking.

In other words - genealogical page is probably optimized (even if
accidentally only) with regard to the name. The second page you mentioned
will be probably better visible for some financial terms, as they are more
frequent on the page.

Best,
Borek
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:06:33 +0200, rzulty <rzulty0 (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote:

genealogical tree. When one would try advanced search in google, he
would find out that no pages have link to that with the tree. So how
come it's first result?

One thing more - don't believe what Google diplays as a link list.
It is only some subset of the links it knows. Try Yahoo for
better results.

Best,
Borek
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BATE - program for pH calculations
CASC - Concentration and Solution Calculator
pH lectures - guide to hand pH calculation with examples

__/ [Borek] on Friday 28 October 2005 00:25 \__

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:06:33 +0200, rzulty <rzulty0 (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote:

genealogical tree. When one would try advanced search in google, he
would find out that no pages have link to that with the tree. So how
come it's first result?

One thing more - don't believe what Google diplays as a link list.
It is only some subset of the links it knows. Try Yahoo for
better results.

....Or less /selective/ results...

When searching for a variety of things in Yahoo, I often find it to be
Google+noise. Their ability to tell apart genuine content from spam content
is still poorer.

Regarding links, however, I concur with Borek. More are being listed, which I
find useful.

Roy

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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 03:32:39 +0200, Roy Schestowitz
<newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

One thing more - don't believe what Google diplays as a link list.
It is only some subset of the links it knows. Try Yahoo for
better results.

...Or less /selective/ results...

When searching for a variety of things in Yahoo, I often find it to be
Google+noise. Their ability to tell apart genuine content from spam
content is still poorer.

OK, I didn't mean Yahoo gives better results on the whole, just it is
more complete for links.

Best,
Borek
--
http://www.chembuddy.com - chemical calculators for labs and education
BATE - program for pH calculations
CASC - Concentration and Solution Calculator
pH lectures - guide to hand pH calculation with examples

Dzieki

One more question. I've heard rumors that I don't believe but I would
like to be sure about them.
Does refreshing the page or visiting it frequently help? I know that it
is impossible for google to monitor how frequently the site is being
visited but there is this thing called PageRank when you install google
toolbar... Does it do anything?

Thanks
Pit

__/ [rzulty] on Friday 28 October 2005 08:45 \__

Dzieki

One more question. I've heard rumors that I don't believe but I would
like to be sure about them.
Does refreshing the page or visiting it frequently help? I know that it
is impossible for google to monitor how frequently the site is being
visited but there is this thing called PageRank when you install google
toolbar... Does it do anything?

Thanks
Pit

Google do not monitor traffic, but some other vendors/tools do. Netcraft, for
example, do this as do Alexa/Amazon. I do not believe that search engines
other than A9 will in any way 'feed' on such ranks. If I were you, my
concerns would vanish. The concern that may occupy your mind instead is: how
will a visitor with insight into traffic ranks react? I know I am more
reluctant to cite Web sites with low traffic because they are likely to
disappear (links breaking) and are less credible, statistically speaking.

Speaking of traffic ranks, these are very easy to fake (spam/bots/zombies)
and too few people allow spyware to carry on. So, I suggest you drop this
subject altogether and concentrate on content-based SEO. *smile*

Roy

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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:45:17 +0200, rzulty <rzulty0 (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote:

Does refreshing the page or visiting it frequently help? I know that it
is impossible for google to monitor how frequently the site is being
visited but there is this thing called PageRank when you install google
toolbar... Does it do anything?

As Roy wrote - forget about the problem

Google sometimes monitors clicks with some java script, regardless of
wether you have G toolbar installed or not. Toolbar sends url of the
page to G to ask for the page PR. It seems plausible that these urls
can be added to the "links to be spidered" database, as there are reports
of googlebot spidering pages that should be not visible (they are not
linked too) but were visited with browser with toolbar installed. But
I don't think it is a proven fact. In fact there are very few proven
facts when it comes to Google

PageRank is kind of measure of the page importance - the more pages
links to the page, the higher PR it have. Google for Page Rank and
random surfer model if you want to know more. The problem with PR
is that as it is the only information exported by Google it is
given much more attention than it is worth - it is only one of
many factors G takes into account. It is better to have high PR,
but it doesn't decide anything on its own. You know how it goes -
it is better to be young, rich an healthy, but you may be happy
without these three

Best,
Borek
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On 28 Oct 2005 00:45:17 -0700, "rzulty" <rzulty0 (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote:

Dzieki

One more question. I've heard rumors that I don't believe but I would
like to be sure about them.
Does refreshing the page or visiting it frequently help? I know that it
is impossible for google to monitor how frequently the site is being
visited

Not in the sense you're meaning, I think. Refreshing the page does
nothing but adding fresh quality content to the site is generally seen
as a good thing and while it may be impossible for Google to determine
how much a site is used it can determine how many times a link in its
search results is clicked on.

I doubt that repeatedly visiting the site yourself would persuade the
engines of your site's authenticity.

but there is this thing called PageRank when you install google
toolbar... Does it do anything?

Page Rank has its supporters and detractors.

BB
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:52:42 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
<newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

__/ [rzulty] on Friday 28 October 2005 08:45 \__

Dzieki

One more question. I've heard rumors that I don't believe but I would
like to be sure about them.
Does refreshing the page or visiting it frequently help? I know that it
is impossible for google to monitor how frequently the site is being
visited but there is this thing called PageRank when you install google
toolbar... Does it do anything?

Thanks
Pit

Google do not monitor traffic,

They've talked about noting how many times a link in a serps is
actually clicked though, if you'll recall.

BB

but some other vendors/tools do. Netcraft, for
example, do this as do Alexa/Amazon. I do not believe that search engines
other than A9 will in any way 'feed' on such ranks. If I were you, my
concerns would vanish. The concern that may occupy your mind instead is: how
will a visitor with insight into traffic ranks react? I know I am more
reluctant to cite Web sites with low traffic because they are likely to
disappear (links breaking) and are less credible, statistically speaking.

Speaking of traffic ranks, these are very easy to fake (spam/bots/zombies)
and too few people allow spyware to carry on. So, I suggest you drop this
subject altogether and concentrate on content-based SEO. *smile*

Roy

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