google position

__/ [Borek] on Friday 28 October 2005 09:26 \__

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:45:17 +0200, rzulty <rzulty0 (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote:

Does refreshing the page or visiting it frequently help? I know that it
is impossible for google to monitor how frequently the site is being
visited but there is this thing called PageRank when you install google
toolbar... Does it do anything?

As Roy wrote - forget about the problem

Glad to find consent. *smile*

Google sometimes monitors clicks with some java script, regardless of
wether you have G toolbar installed or not.

They use some mechanism of redirections to trace paths users take when de-
parting from results pages. That on its own is an analysis, which can tell
if a site is supposedly spam, e.g. whether the user returns to the SERP or
not. That mechanism also caters for inferences, .e.g the number of esti-
mated referrals a site gets. Thus, referrals can be 'handed out' based on
some pre-allocated quota, if needed.

Toolbar sends url of the
page to G to ask for the page PR. It seems plausible that these urls
can be added to the "links to be spidered" database, as there are reports
of googlebot spidering pages that should be not visible (they are not
linked too) but were visited with browser with toolbar installed. But
I don't think it is a proven fact. In fact there are very few proven
facts when it comes to Google

Alexa do that (namely crawl hidden pages). I don't know who else though...

PageRank is kind of measure of the page importance - the more pages
links to the page, the higher PR it have. Google for Page Rank and
random surfer model if you want to know more. The problem with PR
is that as it is the only information exported by Google it is
given much more attention than it is worth - it is only one of
many factors G takes into account. It is better to have high PR,
but it doesn't decide anything on its own. You know how it goes -
it is better to be young, rich an healthy, but you may be happy
without these three

Best,
Borek

Nice analogy, Borek. I find that PageRank scales almost linearly when it
comes to precedence. It scales logarithmically (base 7-8?), however, when
impact/links ('BackRub') are considered.

Roy

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__/ [Big Bill] on Friday 28 October 2005 10:23 \__

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:52:42 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

__/ [rzulty] on Friday 28 October 2005 08:45 \__

Dzieki

One more question. I've heard rumors that I don't believe but I would
like to be sure about them.
Does refreshing the page or visiting it frequently help? I know that it
is impossible for google to monitor how frequently the site is being
visited but there is this thing called PageRank when you install google
toolbar... Does it do anything?

Thanks
Pit

Google do not monitor traffic,

They've talked about noting how many times a link in a serps is
actually clicked though, if you'll recall.

Yes, I happened to mention that aspect of their analysis in my reply to
Borek. However, it's more like in-house spying. You must use Google to be
spied on, which is merely equivalent to visiting a site and having your IP
addresses, among other stuff (e.g. routes, server type, time, etc.) recorded
for the Webmaster to view.

The major question is: should Google openly declare their intentions or set
up a page for privacy consent form? You know, for legal reasons?

I gave Matt some feedback on the following (formerely hidden) page today:

http://akismet.com/privacy/

(I guess it might be crawled prematurely because of me...)

Roy

rzulty wrote:

Hi,

I have a question regarding positioning in Google. Officialy position
of any web page depends on how many external links lead to that web
page, right?
The question comes from weird thing I discovered. My friend is
financial publicist. When you would type his name in google first
results would lead to his articles. But lately he has found out, that
the first place is now occupied by someone who published his
genealogical tree. When one would try advanced search in google, he
would find out that no pages have link to that with the tree. So how
come it's first result?

I don't know if it makes sense to you or not, but in my mind the
genealogical tree is more relevant when all you typed in was the person's
name. Try "Persons Name" +"financial". See if the genealogical tree is
even anywhere in the SERPs. I bet it's not. There are algorithms (not too
complex) out there that can identify if the search phrase is actually a
person's name. If so, then personal information gets preference.

And no, the links are not everything there is to Google algo. There are so
many more parameters. It is actually pretty common that the SERPs for an
obscure phrase (and family names can be obscure as far as linguistics go)
contain pages that do not have any links to them. Make it very little
because a page needs at least one link to be discovered by Googlebot.

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It appears to me that the traffic to a site is an important factor to
the positioning of a page not just the number of links or optimising of
the content.

It appears to me that the traffic to a site is an important factor to
the positioning of a page not just the number of links or optimising of
the content.

Johnny15 www.windsorkomatsu.co.uk

It appears to me that the traffic to a site is an important factor to
the positioning of a page not just the number of links or optimising of
the content.

Johnny15 www.windsorkomatsu.co.uk