Is Google penalizing me for this?

#1

Google appears to be refusing to spider this site's
(<http://ccmustang.com>) product pages, and I'm wondering if it is
because of the way I structured the site.

I provide two seperate sets of product pages in seperate directories:

<http://ccmustang.com/grills/>

<http://ccmustang.com/grilles/>

All the pages are identical except for the spelling of grille/grill, to
allow for regional differences in grammar. Both are linked to the front
page, although one of the links is not immediately visible.

The ironic thing is that the front page is actually very well ranked.
But none of the product pages are in Google's index, which is kind of
important.

When I had a single spelling variation on the site, Google did index
these pages. It's been months since the old product pages disappeared
from Google's index.

I'm stumped. The only thing I can think of is that Google is seeing
this as spam. In which case, is there a way to restructure again to be
more Google-friendly while preserve the spelling variations?

--
Jim Royal
"Understanding is a three-edged sword"
http://JimRoyal.com

#2

Google doesn't penalize contrary to popular opinion. They just don't
reward when you don't do it right.

#3

In article <9132dbd08747c9775afa48a43a15a9fe (AT) news (DOT) teranews.com>, John
<. (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

Google doesn't penalize contrary to popular opinion. They just don't
reward when you don't do it right.

Then can you suggest any reason why Google has ignored the product
pages on this site for the last three or four months? I'm out of ideas.

--
Jim Royal
"Understanding is a three-edged sword"
http://JimRoyal.com

#4

Jim,
By product pages are you talking about your internal page links (all
your pages of your site?). Because I just checked google back links and
all your pages of your site are listed there.

#5

In article <e9ff54139e4d63382d4b188779bee0c4 (AT) news (DOT) teranews.com>, John
<. (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

By product pages are you talking about your internal page links (all
your pages of your site?). Because I just checked google back links and
all your pages of your site are listed there.

???

I just went to Google and checked this:
link:http://ccmustang.com/grills/index.html

And this: allinurl:ccmustang.com

The Grill/Grille product pages are not listed in Google's index. They
are not even cached. All the other pages (all four of them) are indeed
listed.

--
Jim Royal
"Understanding is a three-edged sword"
http://JimRoyal.com

#6

On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:09:14 -0400, Jim Royal <jimroyal (AT) canada (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

Google appears to be refusing to spider this site's
(<http://ccmustang.com>) product pages, and I'm wondering if it is
because of the way I structured the site.

I provide two seperate sets of product pages in seperate directories:

http://ccmustang.com/grills/

http://ccmustang.com/grilles/

Hi,

Had a quick look and nothing jumps out as been wrong other than maybe
hiding one of the links, but doubt Google would of noticed.

Quote:

All the pages are identical except for the spelling of grille/grill, to
allow for regional differences in grammar. Both are linked to the front
page, although one of the links is not immediately visible.

The ironic thing is that the front page is actually very well ranked.
But none of the product pages are in Google's index, which is kind of
important.

You have no backlinks and PR0, so looks like you have very few sites
linking to you. Even Alltheweb (who shows most links) shows just six
links.

http://www.alltheweb.com/search?cat=...m&_sb_lang=any

Quote:

When I had a single spelling variation on the site, Google did index
these pages. It's been months since the old product pages disappeared
from Google's index.

Did you rename the pages that were indexed? If so that was a mistake
as you'll have to wait for them being re indexed now which for a site
with PR0 and very few incoming links could be sometime.

Quote:

I'm stumped. The only thing I can think of is that Google is seeing
this as spam. In which case, is there a way to restructure again to be
more Google-friendly while preserve the spelling variations?

I'd say it's the lack of links (so no PR) and the few pages I looked
at was a bit light on text. You need to add some extra keyword rich
text content so there's something for Google to bite on.

So get some sites to link to you, higher the PR of the linking page
the better. You should aim for at least PR4, though all links help
even PR1 and add some content then wait. If you were to get yourself a
link in DMOZ that would probably solve your problem, but getting a
DMOZ link is a bit hit and miss can take years!!

I'll give you a link from a PR7 page for one of those cars (if only
:-))

David
_
Free Search Engine Optimization, SEO and
Search Engine Placement Tips (updated 31/08/2003)
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ooar123...-optimization/

#7

In article <4gv9lv4ti6t7i6i2jfp13hmn6ak2piqaf5 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, SEO
<ooar123SP (AT) AMntlworld (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

Did you rename the pages that were indexed? If so that was a mistake
as you'll have to wait for them being re indexed now which for a site
with PR0 and very few incoming links could be sometime.

I did. I replaced the original "products" directory with "grill" and
"grille" directories. Didn't know this would be a problem.

Quote:

So get some sites to link to you, higher the PR of the linking page
the better. You should aim for at least PR4, though all links help
even PR1 and add some content then wait.

I've been trying to get the site owner to offer reciprical links with
Mustang fan sites, but he's been dragging his butt. I've been
suggesting he offer product samples and whatnot to encourage it. A
half-dozen links on well-travelled pages would probably do the trick.

Quote:

If you were to get yourself a
link in DMOZ that would probably solve your problem, but getting a
DMOZ link is a bit hit and miss can take years!!

No kidding. I can rarely even get the submission form to work.

Quote:

I'll give you a link from a PR7 page for one of those cars (if only
:-))

Heh. Would you like a nice side scoop grill?

Thanks muchly for the feedback.

--
Jim Royal
"Understanding is a three-edged sword"
http://JimRoyal.com

#8

On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 19:46:31 -0400, Jim Royal <jimroyal (AT) canada (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

In article <4gv9lv4ti6t7i6i2jfp13hmn6ak2piqaf5 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, SEO
ooar123SP (AT) AMntlworld (DOT) com> wrote:

Did you rename the pages that were indexed? If so that was a mistake
as you'll have to wait for them being re indexed now which for a site
with PR0 and very few incoming links could be sometime.

I did. I replaced the original "products" directory with "grill" and
"grille" directories. Didn't know this would be a problem.

Hi,

If this is a recent change then that's the problem, just a case of
waiting until google decides to come around again and finds the new
pages. Only way to speed that up is more links. With our lingerie site
I found when it's home page was PR5 new pages would be indexed within
a month.

Quote:

So get some sites to link to you, higher the PR of the linking page
the better. You should aim for at least PR4, though all links help
even PR1 and add some content then wait.

I've been trying to get the site owner to offer reciprical links with
Mustang fan sites, but he's been dragging his butt. I've been
suggesting he offer product samples and whatnot to encourage it. A
half-dozen links on well-travelled pages would probably do the trick.

We only have two reciprocal links for over 3000 pages (various
domains) but have several PR7 pages and loads of PR6s. There are many,
many ways to get links from offering content that people will want to
link to (I look at that as a long term linking strategy) to posting in
forums that are indexed by Google. No point posting in a forum that's
not spidered since the links in your sig etc... won't be found by
Google. Find an indexed forum you know something about and post as
much as you can. The higher the PR of the forum pages the better.

Take the site I have in my sig below. It's an informative site that I
think some people will link to naturally when there's a lot more
content (currently just 3 pages). Every page links to my main business
site (http://www.adultlingerieuk.com) and so any PR I get from this
site will be partially transferred to the money making site giving it
a boost. I've added a link to one of the pages in a few forum profiles
and spent a few days answering posts about SEO.

It's a shame NG posts don't get spidered, have made hundreds of posts
to NGs.

Search engine optimization has very little to do with a lingerie site,
but the anchor text of the links gives the links relevance so it will
help.

Last few days we've dropped out of the top 10 for our main keyword
Lingerie (made a big change on the site and it didn't work) but
improved for many others, so overall another small increase in traffic
(consistently over 5000 visitors a day now).

Quote:

If you were to get yourself a
link in DMOZ that would probably solve your problem, but getting a
DMOZ link is a bit hit and miss can take years!!

No kidding. I can rarely even get the submission form to work.

I'll give you a link from a PR7 page for one of those cars (if only
:-))

Heh. Would you like a nice side scoop grill?

LOL, don't think it would have the same effect on my Daewoo Matiz,
especially since my kids keep scratching the car with their bikes
etc...!!

Quote:

Thanks muchly for the feedback.

No problem.

David
_
Free Search Engine Optimization, SEO and
Search Engine Placement Tips (updated 31/08/2003)
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ooar123...-optimization/

#9

I noticed you have repeated the exact same description, title,
keywords tags in all the pages I looked at. Put tags that are relevant
to each page individually. Never use tags that pertain to little in
the actual content of each page. pay particular attention to
instructing a spider to rank a page for a keyword that isn't to be
found in the actual content it later finds.

Fred Joly
http://web-site-promotion.bizhosting.com ( not my business web site -
information site only )

Jim Royal <jimroyal (AT) canada (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Google appears to be refusing to spider this site's
(<http://ccmustang.com>) product pages, and I'm wondering if it is
because of the way I structured the site.

I provide two seperate sets of product pages in seperate directories:

http://ccmustang.com/grills/

http://ccmustang.com/grilles/

All the pages are identical except for the spelling of grille/grill, to
allow for regional differences in grammar. Both are linked to the front
page, although one of the links is not immediately visible.

The ironic thing is that the front page is actually very well ranked.
But none of the product pages are in Google's index, which is kind of
important.

When I had a single spelling variation on the site, Google did index
these pages. It's been months since the old product pages disappeared
from Google's index.

I'm stumped. The only thing I can think of is that Google is seeing
this as spam. In which case, is there a way to restructure again to be
more Google-friendly while preserve the spelling variations?

#10

In article <g5ialvcmt0g4khsmkdjma2ll9efkte8m29 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, SEO
<ooar123SP (AT) AMntlworld (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

If this is a recent change then that's the problem, just a case of
waiting until google decides to come around again and finds the new
pages.

It's been three or four months. I've stopped waiting by the phone.

Quote:

There are many,
many ways to get links from offering content that people will want to
link to (I look at that as a long term linking strategy) to posting in
forums that are indexed by Google.

Excellent idea. I'll suggest it.

Quote:

Search engine optimization has very little to do with a lingerie site,
but the anchor text of the links gives the links relevance so it will
help.

I've done the same -- put a link to the Mustang site on my own web
portfolio, which has a PR of 4.

Learned a lot in the last few days. Thanks again.

--
Jim Royal
"Understanding is a three-edged sword"
http://JimRoyal.com