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Jeff M
 
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Default Google PageRank Outbound Links - 12-23-2003 , 05:59 PM






I have an web directory and want to avoid page rank leakage through outbound
links...

Is it enough to have a go.asp page and redo all the outbound links formatted
as...

http://www.MyDirectory.com/go.asp?ht...nationSite.com

Will this work, or will Google still recognize this as an outbound link?

Do I need to have something in the robots.txt file to tell Google to avoid
go.asp? Is it necessary?

Jeff



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Default Re: Google PageRank Outbound Links - 12-23-2003 , 06:18 PM






Jeff M:
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I have an web directory and want to avoid page rank leakage through outbound
links...
Do you also want to avoid the wrath of Google?

Quote:
Is it enough to have a go.asp page and redo all the outbound links formatted
as...

http://www.MyDirectory.com/go.asp?ht...nationSite.com

Will this work, or will Google still recognize this as an outbound link?
I guess it depends on what go.asp does. If it redirects the client via a
HTTP location header, Google is said to follow it. If it does something
different, Google may consider it abuse.

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Default Re: Google PageRank Outbound Links - 12-23-2003 , 06:28 PM



Jeff M wrote:
Quote:
I have an web directory and want to avoid page rank leakage through outbound
links...

Is it enough to have a go.asp page and redo all the outbound links formatted
as...

http://www.MyDirectory.com/go.asp?ht...nationSite.com

Will this work, or will Google still recognize this as an outbound link?

Do I need to have something in the robots.txt file to tell Google to avoid
go.asp? Is it necessary?

Jeff
Yes you will need a robots.txt file for it to ignore all .asp links but
you really have to know what you're doing when you do this or it just
won't work or it'll ignore all links even non asp links.

Another way is to javascript certain links rather than asp'ing them


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Default Re: Google PageRank Outbound Links - 12-23-2003 , 07:00 PM



"Rene Pijlman" <reply.in.the.newsgroup (AT) my (DOT) address.is.invalid> wrote in
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Quote:
Jeff M:
I have an web directory and want to avoid page rank leakage through
outbound
links...

Do you also want to avoid the wrath of Google?

Is it enough to have a go.asp page and redo all the outbound links
formatted
as...

http://www.MyDirectory.com/go.asp?ht...nationSite.com

Will this work, or will Google still recognize this as an outbound link?

I guess it depends on what go.asp does. If it redirects the client via a
HTTP location header, Google is said to follow it. If it does something
different, Google may consider it abuse.

--
René Pijlman

Wat wil jij leren? http://www.leren.nl


The go.asp would simply be...

<%
Response.Redirect(Request.Querystring())
%>

I would expect Google to follow it, no problem. However what I am hoping for
would the "exit page" from my site to be go.asp. The page rank of go.asp
doesn't matter. That would keep my other pages from losing page rank, right?

Jeff




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Rene Pijlman
 
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Default Re: Google PageRank Outbound Links - 12-23-2003 , 07:21 PM



Jeff M:
Quote:
The go.asp would simply be...

%
Response.Redirect(Request.Querystring())
%

I would expect Google to follow it, no problem. However what I am hoping for
would the "exit page" from my site to be go.asp. The page rank of go.asp
doesn't matter. That would keep my other pages from losing page rank, right?
I'm not sure, but I'd say you direct pagerank to
http://www.MyDirectory.com/go.asp?ht...nationSite.com, Google
presumably follows the HTTP redirect and passes the pagerank on to
http://www.DestinationSite.com. If I was Google that's what I'd do. Why
not?

Maybe you can prevent this by excluding http://www.MyDirectory.com/go.asp
in robots.txt. But Google may consider this abuse, since it undermines one
of the fundaments of the algorithm(s).

'Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of
thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a
website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this
help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"'
[...]
'Don't employ cloaking or sneaky redirects.'
http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

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Default Re: Google PageRank Outbound Links - 12-23-2003 , 07:25 PM




"Sam" <. (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Jeff M wrote:

I have an web directory and want to avoid page rank leakage through
outbound
links...

Is it enough to have a go.asp page and redo all the outbound links
formatted
as...

http://www.MyDirectory.com/go.asp?ht...nationSite.com

Will this work, or will Google still recognize this as an outbound link?

Do I need to have something in the robots.txt file to tell Google to
avoid
go.asp? Is it necessary?

Jeff

Yes you will need a robots.txt file for it to ignore all .asp links but
you really have to know what you're doing when you do this or it just
won't work or it'll ignore all links even non asp links.

Another way is to javascript certain links rather than asp'ing them

Since every page in my site is an *.asp page, I only want to disallow the
go.asp page.

Would this work?

=========ROBOTS.TXT==========
User-agent: *
Disallow: go.asp

Jeff





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Rene Pijlman
 
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Default Re: Google PageRank Outbound Links - 12-23-2003 , 07:36 PM



Jeff M:
Quote:
Would this work?

=========ROBOTS.TXT==========
User-agent: *
Disallow: go.asp
Make that:

User-agent: *
Disallow: /go.asp

"any URL that starts with this value will not be retrieved"
http://www.robotstxt.org/wc/norobots.html

The URLs in this context start with a "/" which represents the root of
your site.

But I'm not sure if this will do what you hope that it does.

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Default Re: Google PageRank Outbound Links - 12-23-2003 , 07:41 PM




"Rene Pijlman" <reply.in.the.newsgroup (AT) my (DOT) address.is.invalid> wrote in
message news:b9mhuv4rh26eao5ncjfckej3b55r9462sh (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
Quote:
Jeff M:
The go.asp would simply be...

%
Response.Redirect(Request.Querystring())
%

I would expect Google to follow it, no problem. However what I am hoping
for
would the "exit page" from my site to be go.asp. The page rank of go.asp
doesn't matter. That would keep my other pages from losing page rank,
right?

I'm not sure, but I'd say you direct pagerank to
http://www.MyDirectory.com/go.asp?ht...nationSite.com, Google
presumably follows the HTTP redirect and passes the pagerank on to
http://www.DestinationSite.com. If I was Google that's what I'd do. Why
not?

Maybe you can prevent this by excluding http://www.MyDirectory.com/go.asp
in robots.txt. But Google may consider this abuse, since it undermines one
of the fundaments of the algorithm(s).

'Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of
thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a
website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this
help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"'
[...]
'Don't employ cloaking or sneaky redirects.'
http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

--
René Pijlman

Wat wil jij leren? http://www.leren.nl


Quote:
But Google may consider this abuse, since it undermines one
of the fundaments of the algorithm(s).
If every outbound link goes to go.asp and I disallow go.asp in the
robots.txt file. Is that really considered abuse?

I am not trying to "beat the system" here, I just want to "protect myself".
I have a large (thousands of links) web directory, and I read somewhere that
if you link to a site that Google has penalized then the linking site (me)
will be penalized. With the size of my directory I could have dozens of
penalized sites. In which case it wouldn't matter if go.asp is hurt by
linking to penalized sites.

Any suggestions?

Jeff





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Default Re: Google PageRank Outbound Links - 12-23-2003 , 07:55 PM



Jeff M:
Quote:
If every outbound link goes to go.asp and I disallow go.asp in the
robots.txt file. Is that really considered abuse?
Well, why would it not be?

Quote:
I am not trying to "beat the system" here
Yes, you are :-)

Quote:
I just want to "protect myself".
I have a large (thousands of links) web directory
So do I. Lots of outbound links. Relatively high ranking. No problem. See
sig.

Quote:
and I read somewhere that if you link to a site that Google has penalized
then the linking site (me) will be penalized.
Yes, that may happen.

'avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web as your own
ranking may be affected adversely by those links.'
http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

Quote:
Any suggestions?
Link only to quality sites. Avoid links to web spammers or "bad
neighborhoods" :-)

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Default Re: Google PageRank Outbound Links - 12-23-2003 , 09:03 PM



"Jeff M" <Jeff (AT) VirtualOrlando (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
I have an web directory and want to avoid page rank leakage through
outbound
links...

Is it enough to have a go.asp page and redo all the outbound links
formatted
as...

http://www.MyDirectory.com/go.asp?ht...nationSite.com

Will this work, or will Google still recognize this as an outbound link?

Do I need to have something in the robots.txt file to tell Google to avoid
go.asp? Is it necessary?

Jeff
Some people also use this to count clicks.




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