google optimisation, placement and resubmission ?

What is the optimum timeframe within which to resubmit (and not resubmit)
website to google. I am being told different things by different people.

I was told 2 months is optimum. no more, no less. And that if any search
engine optimisation work had been done on a site, it was necessary to
resubmit the site once every two months to ensure the ranking was not pushed
down by "sites which would have achieved an equal page rank, had they
originally been submitted at the same time"

I'm going to post this to alt.html - forgive me for cross posting and thanks
in advance for your help.

-Rob wrote:

What is the optimum timeframe within which to resubmit (and not
resubmit) website to google. I am being told different things by
different people.

once you're in you will stay in - then you have the task of encouraging the
bots to revisit if you want them to reindex new content, but they come back
anyway. be patient.

I'm going to post this to alt.html - forgive me for cross posting and
thanks in advance for your help.

that would be multiposting which is not the same thing - don't do it.

/checks

oops too late. the usenet gods will not be smiling come judgement day.

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you dont need to resubmit to google. Once your in the index the google bot
will automatically come round and visit your site.
What you should do is get targeted text links with your keywords as the link
text coming into your site to help your ranking.

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"-Rob" <nospuds (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote

What is the optimum timeframe within which to resubmit (and not resubmit)
website to google. I am being told different things by different people.

I was told 2 months is optimum. no more, no less. And that if any search
engine optimisation work had been done on a site, it was necessary to
resubmit the site once every two months to ensure the ranking was not
pushed
down by "sites which would have achieved an equal page rank, had they
originally been submitted at the same time"

I'm going to post this to alt.html - forgive me for cross posting and
thanks
in advance for your help.

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:21:13 +0000 (UTC), "-Rob" <nospuds (AT) nospam (DOT) com>
wrote:

What is the optimum timeframe within which to resubmit (and not resubmit)
website to google. I am being told different things by different people.

I was told 2 months is optimum. no more, no less. And that if any search
engine optimisation work had been done on a site, it was necessary to
resubmit the site once every two months to ensure the ranking was not pushed
down by "sites which would have achieved an equal page rank, had they
originally been submitted at the same time"

Crap. Google will spider your site on a regular basis. There's no need
to resubmit at all.

BB

I'm going to post this to alt.html - forgive me for cross posting and thanks
in advance for your help.

MFW Britpack www.extreme-positioning.co.uk
There is only one war, and it's not the rich against the poor,
the blacks against the whites, the Federation against the Borg,
or the Democrats versus the Republicans. It's those of us who
aren't complete idiots against those of us who are.

"Simon Birley" <webmaster (AT) irwebonline (DOT) com> wrote

you dont need to resubmit to google. Once your in the index the google bot
will automatically come round and visit your site.
What you should do is get targeted text links with your keywords as the
link
text coming into your site to help your ranking.

What you say is true, but Im trying to figure out why this individual
believes there is truth in what is being said. Praps I misunderstood her.

She says "REsubmitting to google is necessary and a good thing, if done only
every two months, to ensure that new sites dont push your existing site
down"

So, hmm. Let me give an example. My own example, with the hopes that it
might make sense enough for you guys to help me figure out why she is saying
(and believing) in her advice on resubmission.

Lets say we had three sites which had the same text, same keywords, same
everything content and metawise.

All sites are manually submitted to google on Day 1.
On day 60, site 1 and 2 are submitted to google, manually.
And on day 120, only site 1 is submitted to google.

Now what we all know is that the googlebot has crawled all the pages of all
the sites, many times. But, given that all sites were the same, surely the
one which was submitted manually every two months will have the highest
ranking? And site 2 will be ranked 2, and site three will fall below site
one and two? I hear 2 months is the optimum time for resubmission, no less,
and certainly no more.

This individual is one of 10(ish) companies (I think) in the UK that
communicates directly with google, and gets inside information on SEO.

My designer friends are telling me the same thing that I am hearing here.
"Crap, google spiders everything, resubmission is not necessary) and this
other company is saying that resubmission DOES have and IS of benefit.

I am not sure whats what :s

-Rob wrote:

"Simon Birley" <webmaster (AT) irwebonline (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:blutq7$49p$1 (AT) hercules (DOT) btinternet.com...
you dont need to resubmit to google. Once your in the index the
google bot will automatically come round and visit your site.
What you should do is get targeted text links with your keywords as
the link text coming into your site to help your ranking.

What you say is true, but Im trying to figure out why this individual
believes there is truth in what is being said. Praps I misunderstood
her.

She says "REsubmitting to google is necessary and a good thing, if
done only every two months, to ensure that new sites dont push your
existing site down"

So, hmm. Let me give an example. My own example, with the hopes that
it might make sense enough for you guys to help me figure out why she
is saying (and believing) in her advice on resubmission.

See my comment in alt.html

Lets say we had three sites which had the same text, same keywords,
same everything content and metawise.

All sites are manually submitted to google on Day 1.
On day 60, site 1 and 2 are submitted to google, manually.
And on day 120, only site 1 is submitted to google.

Now what we all know is that the googlebot has crawled all the pages
of all the sites, many times. But, given that all sites were the
same, surely the one which was submitted manually every two months
will have the highest ranking? And site 2 will be ranked 2, and site
three will fall below site one and two? I hear 2 months is the
optimum time for resubmission, no less, and certainly no more.

This individual is one of 10(ish) companies (I think) in the UK that
communicates directly with google, and gets inside information on SEO.

Rubbish - treat this individual with great circumspection.

My designer friends are telling me the same thing that I am hearing
here. "Crap, google spiders everything, resubmission is not
necessary) and this other company is saying that resubmission DOES
have and IS of benefit.

There is a message there if you care to read it...

BTW, this discussion is a little difficult to follow in this group and in
alt.html but...

Your scenario above fails to account for the fact that there are over a
hundred factors in the Google algorithm used to evaluate a site's search
engine results position - the chances of two sites getting exactly the same
result is, consequently, very remote.

I'd just take people's word for it - there are hundreds of people here who
are experts, they know what they're talking about, they have high ranking
sites as part of their daily work and they don't re-submit. I've a site that
I mentioned here a few days ago - it's number one on a search term that has
3,500,000 results - it's never been submitted, it was just spidered from a
link and away it went. It's the SEO that counts, not the submission.

The only reason I can see for my suggesting a regime of regular
re-submissions to a client would be to persuade them to pay me more money
more regularly for no additional benefit to them - in fact, knowing the
above, I wouldn't even have to bother actually doing the re-submitting.

Hey... you've got me thinking that there's something in this after all...


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If you feel that any of the above is incorrect,
inappropriate or offensive in any way,
please ignore it and accept my apologies.

The only reason I can see for my suggesting a regime of regular
re-submissions to a client would be to persuade them to pay me more money
more regularly for no additional benefit to them - in fact, knowing the
above, I wouldn't even have to bother actually doing the re-submitting.

Hey... you've got me thinking that there's something in this after all...

I figured as much, but wanted to be sure. I am pretty confident that there
is nothing to be gained whatsoever from a resubmission. Perhaps maybe on
other search engines.

I didnt want to come across as or be seen as one of those peeps who thought
that by submitting the URL 1000 times would be a good thing but I was not
certain that there was in fact nothing whatsoever to be gained from a
resubmission.

Thanks for your help

And sorry for multiposting - I have a client in need of SEO and did not want
to misinform him, nor charge him for something that would not benefit him.

Making money is important, sure, but getting your shit straight is doubly
so.

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:42:07 +0000 (UTC), "-Rob" <nospuds (AT) nospam (DOT) com>
wrote:

She says "REsubmitting to google is necessary and a good thing, if done only
every two months, to ensure that new sites dont push your existing site
down"

Some people say drinking their own urine is good for them. All because
someone says something doesn't mean there's some scientific/logical
reason to believe them.

It's not bad advice as it won't hurt your site, it is however a waste
of your valuable time since Google doesn't need to be told to reindex
a site.

David
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Free Search Engine Optimization, SEO and
Search Engine Placement Tips (updated 31/08/2003)
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ooar123...-optimization/

Don't submit your site to Google.com. Instead, put a link up to your
page(s) from other indexed pages and let Google find the pages on its
own. It's best NOT to submit to Google. However, if you need to know
the URL for their free submission, it is: http://www.google.com/addurl
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Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:21:13 +0000 (UTC), "-Rob" <nospuds (AT) nospam (DOT) com
wrote:

What is the optimum timeframe within which to resubmit (and not resubmit)
website to google. I am being told different things by different people.

I was told 2 months is optimum. no more, no less. And that if any search
engine optimisation work had been done on a site, it was necessary to
resubmit the site once every two months to ensure the ranking was not pushed
down by "sites which would have achieved an equal page rank, had they
originally been submitted at the same time"

Crap. Google will spider your site on a regular basis. There's no need
to resubmit at all.

BB

I'm going to post this to alt.html - forgive me for cross posting and thanks
in advance for your help.


MFW Britpack www.extreme-positioning.co.uk
There is only one war, and it's not the rich against the poor,
the blacks against the whites, the Federation against the Borg,
or the Democrats versus the Republicans. It's those of us who
aren't complete idiots against those of us who are.