Google, MSN and Yahoo Referrals

#1

In my main domain, I have never received many referrals from MSN or Yahoo. I
have never had an explanation, but did not seem to care much either. Are
there any well-known reasons why this may be? Google currently has ~100
times the amount of referrals from Yahoo and ~500 times the amount of
referrals from MSN. Google cannot be /that/ popular, can it? Judging by 2
other domains of mine, it is not by /that/ far ahead either.

Any advice please? I am probably doing something wrong, strategically at
least.

Thanks,

Roy

#2

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:48:19 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
<newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

In my main domain, I have never received many referrals from MSN or Yahoo. I
have never had an explanation, but did not seem to care much either. Are
there any well-known reasons why this may be? Google currently has ~100
times the amount of referrals from Yahoo and ~500 times the amount of
referrals from MSN. Google cannot be /that/ popular, can it? Judging by 2
other domains of mine, it is not by /that/ far ahead either.

Any advice please? I am probably doing something wrong, strategically at
least.

Thanks,

Roy

Hi Roy
Have you checked where your keywords appear in Yahoo and MSN ?
May be you rank higher in Google than you do the others, hence more
people find you on google.
hth
plh
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#3

Paul Burke wrote:

Quote:

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:48:19 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

In my main domain, I have never received many referrals from MSN or Yahoo.
I have never had an explanation, but did not seem to care much either. Are
there any well-known reasons why this may be? Google currently has ~100
times the amount of referrals from Yahoo and ~500 times the amount of
referrals from MSN. Google cannot be /that/ popular, can it? Judging by 2
other domains of mine, it is not by /that/ far ahead either.

Any advice please? I am probably doing something wrong, strategically at
least.

Thanks,

Roy

Hi Roy
Have you checked where your keywords appear in Yahoo and MSN ?

I haven't yet. Has anybody got flexible scripts which scan log files? (Borek
or Bokma maybe?) I wouldn't like to spend effort reinventing the wheel.

Quote:

May be you rank higher in Google than you do the others, hence more
people find you on google.
hth
plh
Paul

That's true by definition. Better ranking => better SERPS placement => more
referrals.

The question is: why would my site be disliked by Yahoo and MSN (or
conversely liked by Google). I am very critical of Microsoft, but their
robots shouldn't be able to detect that, right? Or maybe links from
Linux-oriented sites expose that, as well as dense sensitive keywords like
monopoly, or evil, or world domination, or "ugly guy called Ballmer"...

That doesn't explain why Yahoo give so little. It's worrying.

Quite frankly, there quite be an open, non-profit search engine just like
Wikipedia, Sourceforge or ICANN. Selective search engines which operate
hypocritically according to their own agenda and give biassed results must
vanish.

Roy

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#4

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:48:19 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
<newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

In my main domain, I have never received many referrals from MSN or Yahoo. I
have never had an explanation, but did not seem to care much either. Are
there any well-known reasons why this may be? Google currently has ~100
times the amount of referrals from Yahoo and ~500 times the amount of
referrals from MSN. Google cannot be /that/ popular, can it? Judging by 2
other domains of mine, it is not by /that/ far ahead either.

Any advice please? I am probably doing something wrong, strategically at
least.

Thanks,

Roy

MSN are going far more by onpage content than Google are just at the
moment. I have 14 (whoa! get down with my bad self, eh?), yup, a whole
14 visitors from MSN for
search engine optimisation
over the past few days and none at all from Google.

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#5

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:34:22 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
<newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

Paul Burke wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:48:19 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

In my main domain, I have never received many referrals from MSN or Yahoo.
I have never had an explanation, but did not seem to care much either. Are
there any well-known reasons why this may be? Google currently has ~100
times the amount of referrals from Yahoo and ~500 times the amount of
referrals from MSN. Google cannot be /that/ popular, can it? Judging by 2
other domains of mine, it is not by /that/ far ahead either.

Any advice please? I am probably doing something wrong, strategically at
least.

Thanks,

Roy

Hi Roy
Have you checked where your keywords appear in Yahoo and MSN ?

I haven't yet. Has anybody got flexible scripts which scan log files? (Borek
or Bokma maybe?) I wouldn't like to spend effort reinventing the wheel.

May be you rank higher in Google than you do the others, hence more
people find you on google.
hth
plh
Paul

That's true by definition. Better ranking => better SERPS placement => more
referrals.

The question is: why would my site be disliked by Yahoo and MSN (or
conversely liked by Google). I am very critical of Microsoft, but their
robots shouldn't be able to detect that, right? Or maybe links from
Linux-oriented sites expose that, as well as dense sensitive keywords like
monopoly, or evil, or world domination, or "ugly guy called Ballmer"...

That doesn't explain why Yahoo give so little. It's worrying.

Quite frankly, there quite be an open, non-profit search engine

Well you just try running umpteen zillion servers for no money. I
suppose you could zombie it.

Quote:

just like
Wikipedia, Sourceforge or ICANN. Selective search engines which operate
hypocritically according to their own agenda and give biassed results must
vanish.

Viva los revolution! Down with SEO! er....

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#6

Big Bill wrote:

Quote:

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:48:19 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

In my main domain, I have never received many referrals from MSN or Yahoo.
I have never had an explanation, but did not seem to care much either. Are
there any well-known reasons why this may be? Google currently has ~100
times the amount of referrals from Yahoo and ~500 times the amount of
referrals from MSN. Google cannot be /that/ popular, can it? Judging by 2
other domains of mine, it is not by /that/ far ahead either.

Any advice please? I am probably doing something wrong, strategically at
least.

Thanks,

Roy

MSN are going far more by onpage content than Google are just at the
moment. I have 14 (whoa! get down with my bad self, eh?), yup, a whole
14 visitors from MSN for
search engine optimisation
over the past few days and none at all from Google.

Then I sure hope they don't read _all_ pages _too_ carefully. Many of my
items criticise Microsoft's behaviour on the Internet, which they have (and
still do) break in a variety of ways. If you look at the front page of my
Web log, you will see that at least 2/6 items question Microsoft's code of
conduct (another one in drafts to come out soon). I am curious to know what
comes up if you look up 'microsoft evil' in MSN search.

Roy

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#7

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com>

Quote:

Quite frankly, there quite be an open, non-profit search engine just like
Wikipedia, Sourceforge or ICANN. Selective search engines which operate
hypocritically according to their own agenda and give biassed results must
vanish.

No guarantee that a non-profit is going to crawl and/or index your
site. For example, I gave what I thought were reasonable queries
(e.g. "san francisco symphony") to www.archive.org and only got two
results (neither being the SF Symphony's home page).

ICANN's "openness" seems to be a debatable topic ...

--gregbo
gds at best dot com

#8

Roy Schestowitz wrote:

Quote:

In my main domain, I have never received many referrals from MSN or
Yahoo. I
have never had an explanation, but did not seem to care much either.
Are
there any well-known reasons why this may be? Google currently has ~100
times the amount of referrals from Yahoo and ~500 times the amount of
referrals from MSN. Google cannot be /that/ popular, can it? Judging by
2
other domains of mine, it is not by /that/ far ahead either.

Any advice please? I am probably doing something wrong, strategically
at
least.

Same results here:

Google: 94.2% of search engine traffic
Yahoo: 1.2%
MSN: 0.6%
AskJeeves: 0.6%

SERPs on major keywords are much better in MSN and Yahoo than on Google
(some come up like #1 in MSN, YAHOO and #9 on Google), and still Google
dominates the traffic.

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#9

www.1-script.com wrote:

Quote:

Roy Schestowitz wrote:

In my main domain, I have never received many referrals from MSN or
Yahoo. I
have never had an explanation, but did not seem to care much either.
Are
there any well-known reasons why this may be? Google currently has ~100
times the amount of referrals from Yahoo and ~500 times the amount of
referrals from MSN. Google cannot be /that/ popular, can it? Judging by
2
other domains of mine, it is not by /that/ far ahead either.

Any advice please? I am probably doing something wrong, strategically
at
least.

Same results here:

Google: 94.2% of search engine traffic
Yahoo: 1.2%
MSN: 0.6%
AskJeeves: 0.6%

SERPs on major keywords are much better in MSN and Yahoo than on Google
(some come up like #1 in MSN, YAHOO and #9 on Google), and still Google
dominates the traffic.

In that case, I can't be a tiny minority to be virtually ignored by MSN and
Yahoo. It's reassuring to know that.

I wish I had an explanation as to why other sites get a completely different
spread among search engines. These others sites are /not/ technical. Is it
possible that only non-technical people will wind up using Yahoo and MSN
for Web searches? I would assume so... and that alone is probably an
interesting observation.

Roy

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#10

"Roy Schestowitz" <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

www.1-script.com wrote:

Roy Schestowitz wrote:

In my main domain, I have never received many referrals from MSN or
Yahoo. I
have never had an explanation, but did not seem to care much either.
Are
there any well-known reasons why this may be? Google currently has ~100
times the amount of referrals from Yahoo and ~500 times the amount of
referrals from MSN. Google cannot be /that/ popular, can it? Judging by
2
other domains of mine, it is not by /that/ far ahead either.

Any advice please? I am probably doing something wrong, strategically
at
least.

Same results here:

Google: 94.2% of search engine traffic
Yahoo: 1.2%
MSN: 0.6%
AskJeeves: 0.6%

SERPs on major keywords are much better in MSN and Yahoo than on Google
(some come up like #1 in MSN, YAHOO and #9 on Google), and still Google
dominates the traffic.

Roy

This is interesting...it relates to something I've been wondering about, too
~ my new website is doing well in MSN & much less so in Google ~

My main website has been up since May 2000, Google has always driven the
most traffic to the site, by far with MSN trailing way behind. It's a very
large, popular & well-established site with over 1000 backlinks. It doubles
as an informational site & a business site (in about equal measures).
Google 54%
Google (Images) 28 %
Yahoo 8%
MSN 4 %

This pattern is typical of other websites I've created as well.

But my newest website - a business site - has been online just since the end
of April 2005 & quickly got high rankings on MSN (like #1 for my primary
keywords within a week). I was amazed.

The rankings are much, much lower on Google. I opened an Adwords account to
try to compensate, and that's helped some ~ i't's the only reason I am
getting as much as 41% from Google.

MSN 45%
Google 41
Yahoo 11
Ask Jeeves 3
AOL 1

The site is pretty well optimized, and has links from a number of related
websites & directories but why I should do so much better on MSN I just
don't know. Wish I knew what was going on. By the way, neither site is
technical (they focus on literature / art and guitar gear, respectively).

best,
D.