frontpage shared borders - seo

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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:54:50 +0100, "Stacey"
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You are thinking about frames again. Like I said all the stuff is on
the
page index, or whatever. Sample of shared borders are in my sig.

4. could a user end up being dropped into one of the shared border
pages (i.e. left.htm) if this contains text links, or stranded in
top.htm with no link out?

This question I don't understand.

Stacey

I don't either - why not render it academic by making sure all
instances of individual shared border pages, whatever you mean them to
be, have a link out of them somewhere visible?


Ok I gave it some thought and know what the op means. OK here again
this is frames. Borders are not separate pages they are borders.

I think you are making a mistake (sort of). Borders are separate pages
in FrontPage but when published, FrontPage writes the borders as part of
the pages they belong to. The OP is looking at it from the perspective
of how it looks in FrontPage, not the server. FrontPage automatically
creates the Borders folder and places each border page (top.htm) in that
folder.

No sorry, I am not mistaken. You are and so is the OP. You have top,
left, etc borders when making them color etc for the properties, but not
top.htm etc. When you view them with FP you see the whole thing. Not as
top.htm etc. And I have had FP open every day for about 3 weeks straight
totally working on new sites with borders so believe me I know how they
look.:-)

Stacey -Experience FP user for 4 years!

MS hides the border folder when you open a site but if you select File |
Open (not Open Site) you can open the border ( _border ) folder and the
pages within top.htm, left.htm (whatever you have a border for). This is
the way MS implemented it for FrontPage 2003, not sure how they do it for
previous versions.

Yes, the border folder has it stored like that. But it isn't nor does it
look like different pages when viewing the site in FP. It looks like a
table. If you never looked in the folder then you won't see it. If you put
table designs in your css it will put the padding and borders(if this was in
the css) around your border like tables. Because it is a table in reality.
It isn't considered a separate HTML document. FP just stores the info on a
HTML document is all. So, you shouldn't get confused with it. Just because
the FP stores the info like that doesn't mean it is a separate page. It is
also stated as an action in the title and will never be displayed as a HTML
document alone. I would say it kind of works like css.

Stacey

Hi Stacey,

Thanks for your reply. Appreciated.

I gather, from what you and others say that, the browser (or FP) put
each page together somehow into the index page when the site is
uploaded (i'm not sure I understand what I've just written but ayway
....)

I assume this means that the combined index page has all the top.htm
code followed by the main text with the left.htm and bottom.htm
somewhere within the index page.

I gather from reading seo stuff that you really want the main text with
all the keywords and any text links and stuff all near the top of the
page.

If you loose so much control over the way the page is put together then
maybe shared borders isn't the answer.

Ah well, back to the drawing board.

Thanks again,

Luis

"luisp" <luisp (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote

Hi Stacey,

Thanks for your reply. Appreciated.

You are welcome.

I gather, from what you and others say that, the browser (or FP) put
each page together somehow into the index page when the site is
uploaded (i'm not sure I understand what I've just written but ayway
...)

I assume this means that the combined index page has all the top.htm
code followed by the main text with the left.htm and bottom.htm
somewhere within the index page.

Yes, as table format.:-)

I gather from reading seo stuff that you really want the main text with
all the keywords and any text links and stuff all near the top of the
page.

True sometimes. Get the meat out in the begining. You don't want your <h1>
to be at the bottom of the page with all the text at the top. Links
sometimes work better at the right. It all depends really how it is set up.
They can work at the top also. You can put a heading at the top border if
you want.

If you loose so much control over the way the page is put together then
maybe shared borders isn't the answer.

It is the easiest way for you to make a few pages all together. It will be
fine. Just remember the top is read first, followed by the left, then the
main portion in the middle(non border), the right, and last is the bottom.

Ah well, back to the drawing board.

It will be fine. Did you see the sites in my sig? They have borders.

Stacey
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Hi Borek,

Thanks for your input.

Do big companies like MS really make such rubbish products?

If so, what other authoring program would you suggest?

Thanks,

Luis

luisp wrote:

Hi Borek,

Thanks for your input.

Do big companies like MS really make such rubbish products?

If so, what other authoring program would you suggest?

Grey Matter Web Pro, in combination with TextPad.
I do all my sites in those :-)

http://www.pagetutor.com/misc/grey.html
http://www.textpad.com/

HTH :-)

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Thanks again Stacey. Yes I did just have a look at your sites, they
look great. Good luck with things and thanks again.
Luis

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:11:31 +0100, luisp <luisp (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote:

Do big companies like MS really make such rubbish products?

Unfortunately - yes. To be honest with you I have no idea how
does the FP works and whether code it generates is correct.
I doubt it very strongly, as Internet Explorer is not able
to correctly render many pages and I suspect FP generates
content prepared to display correctly in IE - which may kill
your pages appearance in other browsers. But it may not.

If so, what other authoring program would you suggest?

No idea - I am not using them. I am using simple text
editor. Perhaps others will be able to offer more help.

Or at least they may be able to point you to other groups
where such question will be answered.

Anybody?

Best,
Borek
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