Frames question

#1

I am putting a Website together with frames for the first time. No matter
which page I navigate to, the title bar displays the title of the frameset.
Needless to say, the Website title relevancy is lousy as a result. Can I
fix this while keeping the frames, or do I have to lose the frames to get
decent title bar relevancy?

George

#2

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:10:55 GMT, "George W" <look (AT) signature_to (DOT) reply>
wrote:

Quote:

I am putting a Website together with frames for the first time. No matter
which page I navigate to, the title bar displays the title of the frameset.
Needless to say, the Website title relevancy is lousy as a result. Can I
fix this while keeping the frames, or do I have to lose the frames to get
decent title bar relevancy?

Framed layout will limit you to only one title site-wide being
displayed.

You can use <title> on the other pages [would do so anyway, if it were
me] - they just won't display thought.

Oh, and you may want to look up the javascript for, if someone comes
across one of the pages OUTside of the frames, to have it load into
the frame layout for them. Otherwise they won't have the site
navigation available as you probably have that in in a frame to the
left. The javascript will only work if someone has javascript enabled
.... estimated about 20% of folks don't.

If you don't want one site wide title - then you will have to ditch
using frames. If considering the latter; I've got time to kill - if
you like I can look at the site for you and help with some
suggestions. Let me know.

Carol

#3

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:41:10 GMT, from_you (AT) nomail (DOT) com (C.W.) wrote:

Quote:

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:10:55 GMT, "George W" <look (AT) signature_to (DOT) reply
wrote:

I am putting a Website together with frames for the first time. No matter
which page I navigate to, the title bar displays the title of the frameset.
Needless to say, the Website title relevancy is lousy as a result. Can I
fix this while keeping the frames, or do I have to lose the frames to get
decent title bar relevancy?

Framed layout will limit you to only one title site-wide being
displayed.

You can use <title> on the other pages [would do so anyway, if it were
me] - they just won't display thought.

Oh, and you may want to look up the javascript for, if someone comes
across one of the pages OUTside of the frames, to have it load into
the frame layout for them. Otherwise they won't have the site
navigation available as you probably have that in in a frame to the
left. The javascript will only work if someone has javascript enabled
... estimated about 20% of folks don't.

If you don't want one site wide title - then you will have to ditch
using frames. If considering the latter; I've got time to kill - if
you like I can look at the site for you and help with some
suggestions. Let me know.

Carol

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#4

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:10:55 GMT, George W <look (AT) signature_to (DOT) reply> wrote:

Quote:

I am putting a Website together with frames for the first time.

After having got some advise on that in <news:alt.html> you conclude

Quote:

Looks like I did a lot of work for nuthin' .....

)
in your message <HLbud.31418$zx1.24207 (AT) newssvr13 (DOT) news.prodigy.com> of Fri,

10 Dec 2004 06:55:35 GMT.

Yet here you are, just a few minutes later, refrasing this same question
in another newsgroup. Silly you.

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#5

Very kind of you to offer, Carol. The site is
www.sattel.com/stargazerasianbuffet/

And, yes, I know I need a graphics designer ... o

George

"C.W." <from_you (AT) nomail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:10:55 GMT, "George W" <look (AT) signature_to (DOT) reply
wrote:

I am putting a Website together with frames for the first time. No
matter
which page I navigate to, the title bar displays the title of the
frameset.
Needless to say, the Website title relevancy is lousy as a result. Can I
fix this while keeping the frames, or do I have to lose the frames to get
decent title bar relevancy?

Framed layout will limit you to only one title site-wide being
displayed.

You can use <title> on the other pages [would do so anyway, if it were
me] - they just won't display thought.

Oh, and you may want to look up the javascript for, if someone comes
across one of the pages OUTside of the frames, to have it load into
the frame layout for them. Otherwise they won't have the site
navigation available as you probably have that in in a frame to the
left. The javascript will only work if someone has javascript enabled
... estimated about 20% of folks don't.

If you don't want one site wide title - then you will have to ditch
using frames. If considering the latter; I've got time to kill - if
you like I can look at the site for you and help with some
suggestions. Let me know.

Carol

#6

The point of my original post, Barbara, was that I was getting reports of
lousy relevancy of my title to the body of the Web page. The appropriate
place to pose that as an HTML question was alt.html. Since SEO folks might
know how to resolve the relevancy issue for frames-based sites, I posted a
related but different question here. How silly of me. I apologize,
Barbara.

"Barbara de Zoete" <b_de_zoete (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:10:55 GMT, George W <look (AT) signature_to (DOT) reply
wrote:

I am putting a Website together with frames for the first time.

After having got some advise on that in <news:alt.html> you conclude
Looks like I did a lot of work for nuthin' .....

)
in your message <HLbud.31418$zx1.24207 (AT) newssvr13 (DOT) news.prodigy.com> of Fri,
10 Dec 2004 06:55:35 GMT.

Yet here you are, just a few minutes later, refrasing this same question
in another newsgroup. Silly you.

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#7

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:45:59 GMT, "George W"
<look (AT) signature-to-reply (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

Very kind of you to offer, Carol. The site is
www.sattel.com/stargazerasianbuffet/

And, yes, I know I need a graphics designer ... o

*perk* really now ... hmmm... let me go take a looksee at what you
have. Email addie on the site?

Carol

#8

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:24:01 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk>
wrote:

Quote:

Carol finally peeks out her shell......

Well I been lugging the dang thing around - started to get kinda
stuffy so I figured it would be a change a pace to take stick my head
out ... *grin*

Carol

#9

[top quote fixed]
Please, stop top quoting. Reply below the quoted relevant text.

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:55:05 GMT, George W <look (AT) signature-to-reply (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

"Barbara de Zoete" <b_de_zoete (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news

psisadkrqx5vgts (AT) zoete_b (DOT) ..

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:10:55 GMT, George W <look (AT) signature_to (DOT) reply
wrote:

I am putting a Website together with frames for the first time.

After having got some advise on that in <news:alt.html> you conclude
Looks like I did a lot of work for nuthin' .....

)
in your message <HLbud.31418$zx1.24207 (AT) newssvr13 (DOT) news.prodigy.com> of
Fri,
10 Dec 2004 06:55:35 GMT.

Yet here you are, just a few minutes later, refrasing this same question
in another newsgroup. Silly you.

The point of my original post, Barbara, was that I was getting reports of
lousy relevancy of my title to the body of the Web page. The appropriate
place to pose that as an HTML question was alt.html. Since SEO folks
might know how to resolve the relevancy issue for frames-based sites, I
posted a related but different question here.

So, despite the advise given to you in <news:alt.html> to ditch frames
(which is good for humans and seach engines) and your response <q>Looks
like I did a lot of work for nuthin'</q>, you will stick to frames.

What ever.

Maybe read into html and css for a while before asking more silly
questions:
<http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/>
<http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/>
<http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/Style.html>
<http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-CSS21-20020802/cover.html>

And check the links on 'frames are evil' that are given repeatedly in
<news:alt.html>, as well as in <news:alt.html.critique> and
<news:comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html>. Read last weeks posts of those
three newsgroups and this newsgroup and you will have an answer to your
question and much to your surprise to other questions as well.

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