The End Of Google PR?

It looks like the future holds the key to the end of google's page rank
system from the new technology about to burst out on the internet very
soon. It's already been around and being used for some years now, just
as blogs have been around way before they became popular the past year
or so with the general public.

But there is another type of website, in fact a number of different ones
that start where RSS and blogs leave off. In this new technology web
sites are completely interactive. In other words I can go to someone
else's website and create my own pages at their website that will link
back and forth to their index page. So for example if I create pages at
a website that has a pr8 for their index page my pages within a few
months will automatically generate a pr6 or maybe even a pr7 without
doing anything.

This technology already exists and is being used right now by many
people. It seems to me when this technolgy becomes very popular with the
general public, as blogs are now, page rank becomes a thing of the past
as anybody can get high page rank quite easily with these new types of
websites just by finding high pr ones and doing their pages at it. If
you think page rank is easy to get now with posting to places such as
guestbooks, memberlists, blog comments ect you aint seen nothing yet
until you've seen some of these new super interactive websites. I really
just found out about them recently and have pretty much abandoned
guestbooks, blog comments, memberlists in favor of them.

Anyway with coming age of these new super sites I give google's page
rank system about one more year and it's history because page rank just
won't work unless they won't a search engine full of no content sites
which I don't think they want to do.

Anybody here know what type of sites I'm talking about? Just curious if
I'm the only one who knows. I'm not about to give it out as it has
really made posting a lot easier for me the past few days. Eventually
you'll all find out anyway so just hang in there and if you hate the
page rank system fear not it's on it's way out...

"Sam" <. (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote

It looks like the future holds the key to the end of google's page rank
system from the new technology about to burst out on the internet very
soon. It's already been around and being used for some years now, just
as blogs have been around way before they became popular the past year
or so with the general public.

But there is another type of website, in fact a number of different ones
that start where RSS and blogs leave off. In this new technology web
sites are completely interactive. In other words I can go to someone
else's website and create my own pages at their website that will link
back and forth to their index page. So for example if I create pages at
a website that has a pr8 for their index page my pages within a few
months will automatically generate a pr6 or maybe even a pr7 without
doing anything.

This technology already exists and is being used right now by many
people. It seems to me when this technolgy becomes very popular with the
general public, as blogs are now, page rank becomes a thing of the past
as anybody can get high page rank quite easily with these new types of
websites just by finding high pr ones and doing their pages at it. If
you think page rank is easy to get now with posting to places such as
guestbooks, memberlists, blog comments ect you aint seen nothing yet
until you've seen some of these new super interactive websites. I really
just found out about them recently and have pretty much abandoned
guestbooks, blog comments, memberlists in favor of them.

Anyway with coming age of these new super sites I give google's page
rank system about one more year and it's history because page rank just
won't work unless they won't a search engine full of no content sites
which I don't think they want to do.

Anybody here know what type of sites I'm talking about? Just curious if
I'm the only one who knows. I'm not about to give it out as it has
really made posting a lot easier for me the past few days. Eventually
you'll all find out anyway so just hang in there and if you hate the
page rank system fear not it's on it's way out...

You been talking to your Hawaiian friends again ;o)

On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:47:53 GMT, Sam <. (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:

If
you think page rank is easy to get now with posting to places such as
guestbooks, memberlists, blog comments ect you aint seen nothing yet
until you've seen some of these new super interactive websites. I really
just found out about them recently and have pretty much abandoned
guestbooks, blog comments, memberlists in favor of them.

I never used the above methods [guestbooks, blog comments,
memberlists] for site promotion or as an "seo" method to begin with. I
joined a couple of online web forums but the profile page for my
userID doesn't share an URL to any of my sites.

I got a site to a PR6 before November of 2003 simply by sharing
content through the site, submitting to directories, and other people
voluntarily linking to that site. It has been #1 for a particular
search phrase for 3 years now.

Anyway with coming age of these new super sites I give google's page
rank system about one more year and it's history because page rank just
won't work unless they won't a search engine full of no content sites
which I don't think they want to do.

What about Yahoo coming out with a WPR or something like that in
initials? Apparently Yahoo doesn't feel that this "knowing how a site
is ranked on a scale of 1 to 10" curiousity is going away anytime
soon. Although, since it isn't really shared how that will be used by
Yahoo ... I hope it isn't like the old GeoCities "ranking" within
categories that Yahoo tried once right after they acquired GeoCities -
that was a dismal failure in terms of the user's perspective.

And - what about when those "interactive sites" starts curbing some
activity to hinder those wishing to abuse their resources [getting a
link from their main page and that link helping your site's PR ... let
alone content thoughts] -- just like some bloggers did?

Not saying PR is no longer a factor - that has been stated on here and
other places, for several months now, about PR no longer being a
primary thought in terms of how your site will rank. Doesn't mean it
still isn't fun seeing your site move up a notch in PR thoughts but so
many people have placed more importance on that thought even while
Google has shown they, the search engine, was not placing heavy
importance thoughts on PR at all but middle of the road or low end of
the scale in importance for SERPs thoughts.

To me it is just a guide for my own observation and hinting about how
I am doing on improving my site ... but then recall I didn't use any
of the other methods you mentioned above so my PR achievement
isn't/wasn't based on how many places I signed up at or how many
places I hit to leave a comment or two [let alone using interactive
sites] - so if PR goes away from the algorithem used by Google's
search engine, my SERP may remain the same based on other factors I
employed for my site other than PR? I mean my PR6 site lands on page 1
of Yahoo, MSN, AskJeeves, et al for the same search term that it lands
on page 1 of Google and those other places don't give a rat's tuckus
about my Google PR.

Once other people start noticing the "lesser importance from Google's
side" trend then the allure of other sites' PR, in terms of paying for
a link from it or trying to have link exchange rules or such thoughts,
will also start to relax and less money trading hands trying to build
up a PR. I mean when you have people advertising their PR or
auctioning it off on eBay just to get someone to pay for a link
placement ... then you know Google is going to notice and get a giggle
out of it too, in a way.

But I personally think PR is just a visual tool nowadays that is
provided by Google on the toolbar for the curious site owner ... and
primarily used within Google's directory in terms of "placement"
thoughts. When you have PR4 sites beating out PR5 or PR6 sites in the
search engine SERPs then that should be a clue on the value of PR on
that side of Google's application of it in their search engine's
algorithem.

Just my 2 cents though

Carol

Sam wrote:

Anybody here know what type of sites I'm talking about? Just curious if
I'm the only one who knows. I'm not about to give it out as it has
really made posting a lot easier for me the past few days. Eventually
you'll all find out anyway so just hang in there and if you hate the
page rank system fear not it's on it's way out...

Wiki ! Wiki ! Wiki !

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"Ron Burk" <rlbusenet (AT) hightechinfo (DOT) com> wrote

Sounds like someone has discovered Wiki,
but can't make the conceptual leap to see
that it will follow the same trajectory as
any other link spamming schemes.
:-)

I got a bit of a buzz out of adding a page describing an uber-obscure early
80s synth duo from my home town Northampton, Georgi Markov's Empire, to
Wikipedia, and then wondered if this was abusing the technology or not; it
was a genuine entry and I endeavoured to be as accurate as possible, but
then I thought, what if everybody does this? Wikipedia will become bigger
than the planet earth! I thought.

Apparently now people are filling it up with spam as well.

At least I was trying to share information, however obscure

Is there no editing of Wiki? Isn't it certain to fill with drek, if not?

Ian

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"Sam" <. (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote

Anyway with coming age of these new super sites I give google's page
rank system about one more year and it's history because page rank just
won't work unless they won't a search engine full of no content sites
which I don't think they want to do.

I disagree. from what i gather about these sites you talk about, you would
have to sign up and then spend time making a page. To make it worthwhile you
would have to do this at a whole load of these sites (and i have yet to see
one - unless ur talking about m'boards or something), which would take a
long time.
if the purpose of these sites is published on the sites, then they will of
course get banned by google. not to mention the fact that if all these sites
consist of are 100s of pages made by other webmasters, the site is going to
look ugly and be of absolutely no use to anyone - so who is going to link to
it in the first place?

I do think google is going to change quite a lot in the coming months
though, as it is being abused by everyone - IMO not the fault of google but
the fault of those who enjoy abusing things. tho I suspect it is going to
become more fuzzy, and rely more on AI techniques, meaning it will be much
harder to abuse it using methods such as above. Having good content and
genuine inbound links (which you will get naturally from good content) will
be all that matters, meaning those who have had a good heart all these years
and kept the faith will eventually be the ones smiling. and those here for a
quick buck will have to become genuine or die.


Pete

Ron,
You got it right Wiki is one of the type of newer websites I was
reffering to. But there's something even newer than Wiki I believe it's
called something like 'Super RSS' if I remember correctly. It has the
look of a blog using CSS formating done like a wiki but can't be deleted
by anyone except the site owner. My guess is Google will buy it and
replace blogspot with it in time probably within the next year or two.

The move is towards more and more interaction at websites which is
pretty much the whole principle of the internet and the web in general.
Evenetually we'll all be able to reach into the monitor and shake hands.
No telling what that will do for sex sites on the net.

But I think it will put an end to the google page ranking system as
anybody can easily get a high pr page being at someone's high pr site
without having any link popularity of their own and the whole google
algo is based purely on link popularity. Page rank is just a measure of
it but I can't see it working anymore when Super RSS, Wiki and future
more interactive sites take over in the next few years.

Sam. You are a TWAT.

Sam, here is something very relevant that I've watched over the past year and
which culminated in Yahoo and Google pulling back the reins.

There's this one site (pretty popular) on which you pay to post your photos and
create albums with plenty of accompanying text (in html as well) and such. I'd
been part of it for almost a year and was always pleased to see how my albums
ranked in the top 5 at Google and even recently at Yahoo. For say: XYZ City
Photos, XYZ City Landmark Pics...etc, etc., etc.....

Well, with this I was also able to insert links to my own sites (within reason)
so's to help promote them. WELL, very recently, Yahoo and Google both stopped
putting high importance on these pages at this site. I've asked the owners and
they say they've not made any changes whatsoever. The site's pages are still
being indexed of course and you can still find my own albums at the site, BUT,
their rankings and everyone else's at Y! & G have dropped considerably and
stayed there for over a month now.

THUS, perhaps they might take the same approach with the sort of thing you've
mentioned in the future?

LuDi790 wrote:

Sam, here is something very relevant that I've watched over the past year and
which culminated in Yahoo and Google pulling back the reins.

There's this one site (pretty popular) on which you pay to post your photos and
create albums with plenty of accompanying text (in html as well) and such. I'd
been part of it for almost a year and was always pleased to see how my albums
ranked in the top 5 at Google and even recently at Yahoo. For say: XYZ City
Photos, XYZ City Landmark Pics...etc, etc., etc.....

Well, with this I was also able to insert links to my own sites (within reason)
so's to help promote them. WELL, very recently, Yahoo and Google both stopped
putting high importance on these pages at this site. I've asked the owners and
they say they've not made any changes whatsoever. The site's pages are still
being indexed of course and you can still find my own albums at the site, BUT,
their rankings and everyone else's at Y! & G have dropped considerably and
stayed there for over a month now.

THUS, perhaps they might take the same approach with the sort of thing you've
mentioned in the future?

I think I know what photo albums you're talking about and I never
thought about checking the pr of those. Just out of curiousity what were
thr pr of those sites for you when they were doing good?

What I'm talking about though is a little different then something like
photo albums that you have to pay for. I'm talking about a time when all
websites will have the potential to be interactive and it wouldn't cost
anything to do this. It would work just like a wiki site where you can
edit pages of someone elses sites and add your links but it couldn't be
deleted by just anyone as a wiki page can. They're working on something
like that right now and it should be out for the general public in the
next year or so. If you want to see what a wiki is like just type into
google search /wiki/ and thousands will come up for you to check out.
Look for the 'Edit' link at the bottom of the pages of the wiki sites
and click on it. That will bring up the editor and then you can
completely remove everything on the page and replace it with your links
and then click Save on top of page and take a look at the refreshed
page. Anybody can of course go in and remove your links and then put
their own so for seo purposes a wiki isn't anything to excited about.
Also many wiki's reset back to the origional page and it happens
automatically. The ones that don't set back are okay if you need
temporary links for a few weeks or a month, that is if nobody else
stumbles onto the one you edit at.

Anyway eventually people will be able to edit and it won't be able to be
removed by anyone else except the owner of the site. When that happens
it's going to greatly effect the page rank system and bring in a massive
amount of irrelevant results so I see the page rank system going down at
some point in the future. It's also been down graded by google now
because of the spam posting sites do to get higher pr. You've probably
noticed that many memberlists, blog comment sites, guestbooks, linklists
have gone way done in pr the past couple of months. But for the
experienced SEO this is a plus not a minus. My sites haven't wavered one
bit even though I've lost some pr due to the sites I posted at losing
pr. Hasn't effected me because there's more than one way to seo and when
one way stops working another way starts working better.