Do's and Don'ts of website design for SEO for newbie

I was just wondering if a few of you pros could could give me an idea of the
most obvious do's and dont's for website design for SEO?? Or point me in the
direction of a good website that can tell me...

Thanks

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:27:43 +0800, "Harps"
<darren (AT) netflowsystems (DOT) com> wrote:

I was just wondering if a few of you pros could could give me an idea of the
most obvious do's and dont's for website design for SEO?? Or point me in the
direction of a good website that can tell me...

Thanks

I try.

www.kruse.co.uk/

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"Harps" <darren (AT) netflowsystems (DOT) com> wrote

I was just wondering if a few of you pros could could give me an idea of
the
most obvious do's and dont's for website design for SEO?? Or point me in
the
direction of a good website that can tell me...
DO:

build links using your keyword from quality relevant websites from PAGES
that have pr and contain links and PAGE TITLE that references your keyword
do create your pages to target keywords by using ligical structure (h1 etc)
do keep all your internal links keywords in both file name and link
reference
do be prepared to keep doing this for months on end
do expect all the above rules to change

dont link farm from any old site that will give you a link
dont hide keywords on your site (unless your site is massiveley relevant to
the topic and i mean MASSIVELEY - like a market leader)
dont keep submitting your site - its a waste of time

"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:27:43 +0800, "Harps"
darren (AT) netflowsystems (DOT) com> wrote:

I was just wondering if a few of you pros could could give me an idea of
the
most obvious do's and dont's for website design for SEO?? Or point me in
the
direction of a good website that can tell me...

Thanks

I try.

www.kruse.co.uk/

BB

I think the OP is more interested in the do's
rather than the don'ts ;o)

mark | r wrote:

dont hide keywords on your site (unless your site is massiveley relevant to
the topic and i mean MASSIVELEY - like a market leader)
dont keep submitting your site - its a waste of time

I'd like to know a bit more about this one myself. One of our
competitors (centennial.co.uk) spam the hell out of the search engines,
including tonnes of hidden keywords in all of their pages (take a look
at their homepage, or any of their pages, in Firefox with Styles turned
off and you'll see what I'm talking about).

Now, we offer essentially the same solutions as Centennial, only much
cheaper. So someone searching for "network auditing software" should be
as interested in seeing our products in the results as centennial stuff
- I don't see why they should have some get away free card for search
engine spamming if we don't - regardless of their position in the market
place.

The end result? Centennial are now number 1 in the Google listings for a
number of software products as a direct result of their search engine
spamming (before they started spamming, they were down in the same place
as we were).

Up until this point I've had a bit too much moral fiber to drop myself
down to their level - we've focused on providing good relevant content
in things like knowledge base articles that still, after 6 months or so,
have a page rank of 0 on google.

Sure makes me wonder what kind of pages Google want people to write - if
they reward people for spamming then that's exactly what they'll do.
Maybe the advice you should be giving to the chap above is spam the hell
out of all your keywords - that way you'll get a great ranking.

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Software Engineer
Microforge.net Limited
http://www.microforge.net

"James Crosswell" <james (AT) microforge (DOT) net> wrote

mark | r wrote:
dont hide keywords on your site (unless your site is massiveley relevant
to
the topic and i mean MASSIVELEY - like a market leader)
dont keep submitting your site - its a waste of time

I'd like to know a bit more about this one myself. One of our
competitors (centennial.co.uk) spam the hell out of the search engines,
including tonnes of hidden keywords in all of their pages (take a look
at their homepage, or any of their pages, in Firefox with Styles turned
off and you'll see what I'm talking about).

Now, we offer essentially the same solutions as Centennial, only much
cheaper. So someone searching for "network auditing software" should be
as interested in seeing our products in the results as centennial stuff
- I don't see why they should have some get away free card for search
engine spamming if we don't - regardless of their position in the market
place.

The end result? Centennial are now number 1 in the Google listings for a
number of software products as a direct result of their search engine
spamming (before they started spamming, they were down in the same place
as we were).

Up until this point I've had a bit too much moral fiber to drop myself
down to their level - we've focused on providing good relevant content
in things like knowledge base articles that still, after 6 months or so,
have a page rank of 0 on google.

Sure makes me wonder what kind of pages Google want people to write - if
they reward people for spamming then that's exactly what they'll do.
Maybe the advice you should be giving to the chap above is spam the hell
out of all your keywords - that way you'll get a great ranking.

the technique im using is to run 2 domains, the first is the legitimate site
with all standard seo stuff the second is a spam site that uses all of the
grey techniques - its working well and for some reason the legit site is
diong better than the spam site but if i delete the spam sites my legit site
drops massiveley.

Mark

Harps wrote:

I was just wondering if a few of you pros could could give me an idea
of the most obvious do's and dont's for website design for SEO?? Or
point me in the direction of a good website that can tell me...

do learn HTML and CSS

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Harps wrote:

I was just wondering if a few of you pros could could give me an idea
of the most obvious do's and dont's for website design for SEO?? Or
point me in the direction of a good website that can tell me...

do *write* (or let someone write it) good content

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James Crosswell wrote:

mark | r wrote:
dont hide keywords on your site (unless your site is massiveley
relevant to the topic and i mean MASSIVELEY - like a market leader)
dont keep submitting your site - its a waste of time

I'd like to know a bit more about this one myself. One of our
competitors (centennial.co.uk) spam the hell out of the search
engines, including tonnes of hidden keywords in all of their pages
(take a look at their homepage, or any of their pages, in Firefox
with Styles turned off and you'll see what I'm talking about).

Now, we offer essentially the same solutions as Centennial, only much
cheaper. So someone searching for "network auditing software" should
be as interested in seeing our products in the results as centennial
stuff - I don't see why they should have some get away free card for
search engine spamming if we don't - regardless of their position in
the market place.

The end result? Centennial are now number 1 in the Google listings
for a number of software products as a direct result of their search
engine spamming (before they started spamming, they were down in the
same place as we were).

Up until this point I've had a bit too much moral fiber to drop myself
down to their level - we've focused on providing good relevant content
in things like knowledge base articles that still, after 6 months or
so, have a page rank of 0 on google.

Sure makes me wonder what kind of pages Google want people to write -
if they reward people for spamming then that's exactly what they'll
do. Maybe the advice you should be giving to the chap above is spam
the hell out of all your keywords - that way you'll get a great
ranking.

Ask Google for the most sound advice on SEO. Best regards, Eric.

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:07:58 +0100, "mark | r" <markrush (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

"James Crosswell" <james (AT) microforge (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:425a97df$0$11711$8fcfb975 (AT) news (DOT) wanadoo.fr...
mark | r wrote:
dont hide keywords on your site (unless your site is massiveley relevant
to
the topic and i mean MASSIVELEY - like a market leader)
dont keep submitting your site - its a waste of time

I'd like to know a bit more about this one myself. One of our
competitors (centennial.co.uk) spam the hell out of the search engines,
including tonnes of hidden keywords in all of their pages (take a look
at their homepage, or any of their pages, in Firefox with Styles turned
off and you'll see what I'm talking about).

Now, we offer essentially the same solutions as Centennial, only much
cheaper. So someone searching for "network auditing software" should be
as interested in seeing our products in the results as centennial stuff
- I don't see why they should have some get away free card for search
engine spamming if we don't - regardless of their position in the market
place.

The end result? Centennial are now number 1 in the Google listings for a
number of software products as a direct result of their search engine
spamming (before they started spamming, they were down in the same place
as we were).

Up until this point I've had a bit too much moral fiber to drop myself
down to their level - we've focused on providing good relevant content
in things like knowledge base articles that still, after 6 months or so,
have a page rank of 0 on google.

Sure makes me wonder what kind of pages Google want people to write - if
they reward people for spamming then that's exactly what they'll do.
Maybe the advice you should be giving to the chap above is spam the hell
out of all your keywords - that way you'll get a great ranking.

the technique im using is to run 2 domains, the first is the legitimate site
with all standard seo stuff the second is a spam site that uses all of the
grey techniques - its working well and for some reason the legit site is
diong better than the spam site but if i delete the spam sites my legit site
drops massiveley.

Mark

How do you connect the two?

BB

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