Doorway pages versus randomly generated text

Hi guys

I'm curious to see if any of you have tested the submission of multiple
web pages that were generated using a computer to produce randomly
generated text. To clarify, I don't mean random text that doesn't make
any sense or infuriates the reader. I'm talking about text that is
logical, semantically meaningful, and syntactally correct.

Any thoughts?


CIK

Content is King:

using a computer to produce randomly generated text.[...] I'm talking
about text that is logical, semantically meaningful

Hey, did I miss the news? Has the algorithm for intelligence finally been
discovered?

--
René Pijlman

Wat wil jij leren? http://www.leren.nl

In article <mimlqvs44hn13v7e7keivfirhimi5tkcn3 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
Rene Pijlman <reply.in.the.newsgroup (AT) my (DOT) address.is.invalid> wrote:

Content is King:
using a computer to produce randomly generated text.[...] I'm talking
about text that is logical, semantically meaningful

Hey, did I miss the news? Has the algorithm for intelligence finally been
discovered?

I appreciate the sarcasm. However, there is something that you need to
be aware of:

International corporations such as Convergys (customer service call
centres) are using a system that does almost exactly what I'm talking
about. The only difference is that the computer tries to generate
responses that best meet user questions. In other words, it is a smarter
system than Google. It isn't as good a person, but it has managed to
replace dozens of employees.

Perhaps I should better explain my problem:

Google knows how to spot doorway pages. Why? It looks at the order of
words. If words are repeated in the roughly the same order and density
on several hundred or thousand pages in the site, Google will take
notice.

On the other hand, what if you could create a template that could be
used to generate several thousand "different" pages that are highly
relevant for thousands of different keywords? Who wants to just sit
there and write 1000 content rich pages just for the purpose of SEO? I
don't think anyone would. There has to be a better way.

Couldn't someone create a program that allows you to create phrase
templates that require you to fill keywords into the blanks?

Here is an example:

You are a travel site specializing in Fishing Trips to locations all
over the United States and Canada.

one keyword term: "Fishing lodges in Alaska"
another search term: "Fishing lodges in Nebraska"

You could separate the subject from the location like this:
Subject singular form: "Fishing" + "lodge"
Location: "Alaska"

Your first sentence may look like this:

Are you looking for ____________ in ___________ ?

Then you would create several variations because you are trying to
promote several locations.

- You have come to the "right" "place" for ______________ in __________ .
- ________________ is "a" "great" "location" for _________________ .
- "Welcome" to ___________. Are you "planning" a __________ "trip" in
_______ ?

Now if you create a lot of quality phrases for each idea in your text,
Google will be unable to use its algorithm to spot what you're doing.
You need to create enough variations so that if you were to compare any
two pages, the content would look very different. The meaning may be the
same, but we can't expect Google to understand meaning.

You see where I'm getting coming from?

CIK

Rene Pijlman <reply.in.the.newsgroup (AT) my (DOT) address.is.invalid> wrote

Content is King:
using a computer to produce randomly generated text.[...] I'm talking
about text that is logical, semantically meaningful

Hey, did I miss the news? Has the algorithm for intelligence finally been
discovered?

I use a program that generates pages that are a compilation of actual
links with descriptions of pages for any keyword that you enter. I
then add my link to the top along with a banner or two.

It works great and I am getting around 30,000 visits a month

The PPC engines do this all the time. If you have ever used one you
will notice that the sub affiiates create tons of directory type pages
with the sponsored links in them.

Heres an example of some others:

http://www.fizgigs.com/page.php?page...usive+vacation

http://www.ezcybersearch.com/EZ1/res...l&print_rs =1

Tim




Tim

"Tim Arnold" <vgo_2000 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message >

I use a program that generates pages that are a compilation of actual
links with descriptions of pages for any keyword that you enter. I
then add my link to the top along with a banner or two.

Tim,

What program do you use for this?

Thanks
Steve

Content is King:

Rene Pijlman <reply.in.the.newsgroup (AT) my (DOT) address.is.invalid> wrote:

Content is King:
using a computer to produce randomly generated text.[...] I'm talking
about text that is logical, semantically meaningful

Hey, did I miss the news? Has the algorithm for intelligence finally been
discovered?

I appreciate the sarcasm. However, there is something that you need to
be aware of:

International corporations such as Convergys (customer service call
centres) are using a system that does almost exactly what I'm talking
about. The only difference is that the computer tries to generate
responses that best meet user questions. In other words, it is a smarter
system than Google. It isn't as good a person, but it has managed to
replace dozens of employees.

Perhaps I should better explain my problem:

Google knows how to spot doorway pages. Why? It looks at the order of
words. If words are repeated in the roughly the same order and density
on several hundred or thousand pages in the site, Google will take
notice.

On the other hand, what if you could create a template that could be
used to generate several thousand "different" pages that are highly
relevant for thousands of different keywords? Who wants to just sit
there and write 1000 content rich pages just for the purpose of SEO? I
don't think anyone would. There has to be a better way.

Couldn't someone create a program that allows you to create phrase
templates that require you to fill keywords into the blanks?

Here is an example:

You are a travel site specializing in Fishing Trips to locations all
over the United States and Canada.

one keyword term: "Fishing lodges in Alaska"
another search term: "Fishing lodges in Nebraska"

You could separate the subject from the location like this:
Subject singular form: "Fishing" + "lodge"
Location: "Alaska"

Your first sentence may look like this:

Are you looking for ____________ in ___________ ?

Then you would create several variations because you are trying to
promote several locations.

- You have come to the "right" "place" for ______________ in __________ .
- ________________ is "a" "great" "location" for _________________ .
- "Welcome" to ___________. Are you "planning" a __________ "trip" in
_______ ?

Now if you create a lot of quality phrases for each idea in your text,
Google will be unable to use its algorithm to spot what you're doing.
You need to create enough variations so that if you were to compare any
two pages, the content would look very different. The meaning may be the
same, but we can't expect Google to understand meaning.

You see where I'm getting coming from?

CIK

--
René Pijlman

Wat wil jij leren? http://www.leren.nl

Content is King:

Rene Pijlman:
Content is King:
using a computer to produce randomly generated text.[...] I'm talking
about text that is logical, semantically meaningful
[...]
You see where I'm getting coming from?

You're talking about text that is neither produced by a computer, nor
randomly generated, nor logical, nor semantically meaningful :-)

--
René Pijlman

Wat wil jij leren? http://www.leren.nl

In article <prfoqvgtne8v4rru11m4fr3h267673bt75 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
Rene Pijlman <reply.in.the.newsgroup (AT) my (DOT) address.is.invalid> wrote:

Content is King:
Rene Pijlman:
Content is King:
using a computer to produce randomly generated text.[...] I'm talking
about text that is logical, semantically meaningful
[...]
You see where I'm getting coming from?

You're talking about text that is neither produced by a computer, nor
randomly generated, nor logical, nor semantically meaningful :-)

How do you figure?

You would follow these steps:

1. Write 10,000 words (not including keywords) for various phrases.
2. Write all your keywords.
3. Run a program that randomly selects nouns, verbs, adjectives, and
adverbs with corresponding articles from your written material.
4. Observe 1,000 pages with about 400 words each. That's 400,000 words.
5. Run a test to compare each page for word similarity.
6. Observe that each page is logical, and semantically meaningful.
7. Observe that no two pages are alike.

If you ask me, the return on time investment would be huge in this case.
For example:

400,000 words of relevant content produced from 10,000 words.

This sounds like a good thing to me. This is like DNA. A small packet of
data can create a much larger and functional organism.

I don't expect you to agree with what I'm proposing. However, I once
found a program that does almost what I'm talking about. It was at a
very low stage of development. It made a lot of grammatical errors. From
a writing standpoint it saved some time; however, each page required
editing. I believe there is potential for this type of program in search
engine optimization. It's too bad that I didn't record its name. This
was maybe six months ago. Perhaps someone out there knows?

CIK

Content is King:

You're talking about text that is neither produced by a computer, nor
randomly generated, nor logical, nor semantically meaningful :-)

1. Write 10,000 words (not including keywords) for various phrases.

It's not produced by a computer.

2. Write all your keywords.

It's not logical.

3. Run a program that randomly selects nouns, verbs, adjectives, and
adverbs with corresponding articles from your written material.

It's not semantically meaningful.

4. Observe 1,000 pages with about 400 words each. That's 400,000 words.

It's not randomly generated.

6. Observe that each page is logical, and semantically meaningful.

How do you do that?

7. Observe that no two pages are alike.

Just like the rest of the web.

If you ask me, the return on time investment would be huge in this case.

What exactly is the return?

400,000 words of relevant content produced from 10,000 words.

Relevant to whom? For what?

This sounds like a good thing to me.

Why?

This is like DNA. A small packet of data can create a much larger and
functional organism.

That's because of 1) copying 2) mutations and 3) natural selection... so
what's the connection?

I don't expect you to agree with what I'm proposing.

What are you proposing?

However, I once found a program that does almost what I'm talking about.
It was at a very low stage of development.

Yes :-)

It made a lot of grammatical errors.

No kidding.

From a writing standpoint it saved some time;

But from a reading standpoint...?

however, each page required editing.

Oh really.

I believe there is potential for this type of program in search
engine optimization.

Has it produced an "SEO howto" yet?

This was maybe six months ago. Perhaps someone out there knows?

Eliza?

You: I want to optimize my web page for search engines
Eliza: Why do you say your web page for search engines?

You: So people will find it
Eliza: Please go on.

You: I want them to read my stuff
Eliza: Why do you say your stuff?

You: Search engines seem to ignore it
Eliza: Please go on.

You: Especially google
Eliza: Please go on.

You: Nobody links to it
Eliza: Surely not everyone?

You: Well, there's one guy
Eliza: Please go on.

You: He likes this sort of thing
Eliza: Please go on.

You: He says computers can produce semantically meaningful logical texts
Eliza: Why do you mention computers?

You: They are cheap labour
Eliza: Would you like it if they were not cheap labour?

You: Oh no! I'd have to produce content myself
Eliza: You are being a bit negative.

You: Sorry
Eliza: Apologies are not necessary.

http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza-cgi-bin/eliza_script

You: :-/
Me: ;-)

--
René Pijlman

Wat wil jij leren? http://www.leren.nl

Doorway pages have nothing to do with generated text. You're off track
completely. A doorway page is a page whose only purpose is to get very
high page ranking. Once the paage has reached a pr5 on up for example
the site owner sticks links on it to his real sites. The doorway page is
there to pump up the real site with its high pr. It's about links not
text. Text can't be parsed onto another site but pr from a high pr page
can be through linking.