Does google penalize guestbook spamming now?

....I tried it last summer and it worked. Now the PR went down again but the
site didn't get thrown out of google or something like it. Any experience?
(should be easy for google to detect it I guess??)

"John Dingley" <john (AT) ljustlottery (DOT) munged.com> wrote

I think this penalising idea is a bit overplayed on the automated
spidering
front. Manual penalising for reported sites is different of course.

It more like google is starting to ignore certain things or adding more
weight to others.

"Michael Huber" <michaelhuberxx (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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...I tried it last summer and it worked. Now the PR went down again but
the
site didn't get thrown out of google or something like it. Any
experience?
(should be easy for google to detect it I guess??)

We've had Google remove the links from Guestbooks and Blogs recenly.
Although they are still there, Google no longer counts them. Also, if you
notice, many Guestbooks have dropped in P/R.

Google appears to be on a mission to deliver RELEVANT results, not results
based upon tricks and spammy techniques. We need to focus on great content
and a TON of text-based in-bound links from sites that are relvant to our
own.

James wrote:

We've had Google remove the links from Guestbooks and Blogs recenly.
Although they are still there, Google no longer counts them. Also, if you
notice, many Guestbooks have dropped in P/R.

Google appears to be on a mission to deliver RELEVANT results, not results
based upon tricks and spammy techniques. We need to focus on great content
and a TON of text-based in-bound links from sites that are relvant to our
own.

Total and utter Bull Shit!!! Google is no quest to deliever relevant

results and I can show you serps, especially in the adult area, where
every single page of the serp is taken up by about 3 different people
who have hundreds of domain names and thousands of internal pages at
each domain name. It's surprising they just don't re-name those serps
after the domains that inhabit them. If that's what relevance is all
about than I'm Bill Gates!

Also google doesn't rank a site higher just because they exchange links
with sites that are similiar to each other. If your sites is about cars
it won't make a difference if your link exchanges come from other car
sites or sites about clothing. A link is a link period.


Lastly there's no proof that google is penalizing or banning sites that
spma guestbooks and blogs, just conjecture at this point. They might be
because many sites that have done that have recently lost their
backlinks and serp listing at google but it could also be coincidence.
It would be interesting to hear from site owners who haven't ever
spammed guestbooks and blogs who have also recently lost their backlinks
and serp listing since 11/16 and I'm sure there are plenty of them out
there. I've heard all the crying from them and they can't all be
spamming. Spamming guestbooks and blog comments might be risky right now
so my advice is if you do it shoot high for pr6 on up ones only.

Sam,

Do you have an email where I can send you my URl so you can take a look at
it?



"Sam" <. (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote

James wrote:

We've had Google remove the links from Guestbooks and Blogs recenly.
Although they are still there, Google no longer counts them. Also, if
you
notice, many Guestbooks have dropped in P/R.

Google appears to be on a mission to deliver RELEVANT results, not
results
based upon tricks and spammy techniques. We need to focus on great
content
and a TON of text-based in-bound links from sites that are relvant to
our
own.

Total and utter Bull Shit!!! Google is no quest to deliever relevant
results and I can show you serps, especially in the adult area, where
every single page of the serp is taken up by about 3 different people
who have hundreds of domain names and thousands of internal pages at
each domain name. It's surprising they just don't re-name those serps
after the domains that inhabit them. If that's what relevance is all
about than I'm Bill Gates!

Also google doesn't rank a site higher just because they exchange links
with sites that are similiar to each other. If your sites is about cars
it won't make a difference if your link exchanges come from other car
sites or sites about clothing. A link is a link period.


Lastly there's no proof that google is penalizing or banning sites that
spma guestbooks and blogs, just conjecture at this point. They might be
because many sites that have done that have recently lost their
backlinks and serp listing at google but it could also be coincidence.
It would be interesting to hear from site owners who haven't ever
spammed guestbooks and blogs who have also recently lost their backlinks
and serp listing since 11/16 and I'm sure there are plenty of them out
there. I've heard all the crying from them and they can't all be
spamming. Spamming guestbooks and blog comments might be risky right now
so my advice is if you do it shoot high for pr6 on up ones only.

"Sam" <. (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote

James wrote:

We've had Google remove the links from Guestbooks and Blogs recenly.
Although they are still there, Google no longer counts them. Also, if
you
notice, many Guestbooks have dropped in P/R.

Google appears to be on a mission to deliver RELEVANT results, not
results
based upon tricks and spammy techniques. We need to focus on great
content
and a TON of text-based in-bound links from sites that are relvant to
our
own.

Total and utter Bull Shit!!! Google is no quest to deliever relevant
results and I can show you serps, especially in the adult area, where
every single page of the serp is taken up by about 3 different people
who have hundreds of domain names and thousands of internal pages at
each domain name. It's surprising they just don't re-name those serps
after the domains that inhabit them. If that's what relevance is all
about than I'm Bill Gates!

B4 you get your panties in a bunch, chill on the language, you don't know me
and you certainly have not earned the right to call my opinion Bull*. Grow
up.

OK, so it may not work for every site but for all the sites that I do SEO
for, teh ones that were well done, content rich and had relevant IBL all
shot up to the top, the one site that I tried guestbook spamming on was
ranked well (top 3) until Nov16th, now it doesn't show in the top 100.

Also google doesn't rank a site higher just because they exchange links
with sites that are similiar to each other. If your sites is about cars
it won't make a difference if your link exchanges come from other car
sites or sites about clothing. A link is a link period.

Nope, I don't think so. Google will not alwasy show links from un-related
sites while almost ALL related site links, 4/10 and over are listed.

Lastly there's no proof that google is penalizing or banning sites that
spma guestbooks and blogs, just conjecture at this point.

Wrong again. ALL sites that I work on have had Guestbook links
removed...very few kept any. so in my experience, Google is removing IBL
from guestbooks.

They might be
because many sites that have done that have recently lost their
backlinks and serp listing at google but it could also be coincidence.
It would be interesting to hear from site owners who haven't ever
spammed guestbooks and blogs who have also recently lost their backlinks
and serp listing since 11/16 and I'm sure there are plenty of them out
there. I've heard all the crying from them and they can't all be
spamming. Spamming guestbooks and blog comments might be risky right now
so my advice is if you do it shoot high for pr6 on up ones only.

Again, just so that we all understand, the sites that I have SEO'd that are
solid on content, NO spamming whatsoever and have solid, IBL from related
sites, ALL shot to the top after 11/16...without question or exception.

Dude, it is immature for you to call someone else's opinion BS when you have
no clue.






--
James Taylor
http://www.AICompany.com
http://www.SEO-highrankings.com

James Taylor wrote:
<long refutation of Sam's views on Google's guestbook spam filter>

Dude, it is immature for you to call someone else's opinion BS when you have
no clue.

Please refrain from feed the trolls. Sam's not fooling anybody, he's just
gaming.

--
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James Taylor wrote:
long refutation of Sam's views on Google's guestbook spam filter

Dude, it is immature for you to call someone else's opinion BS when you have
no clue.


Please refrain from feed the trolls. Sam's not fooling anybody, he's just
gaming.

OK if Google is banning sites that have guestbook entries then why not
spam the guestbooks with your competitors links???

In others words google isnt banning them, just not counting them.
If they did then every site would be in potential danger of being
banned due to sabatoge.

I see guestbooks in the counted backlinks of sites I check out
including my own so I see no evidence yet of a ban. However if you
signed a guestbook with the generic "guestbook.html" I believe those
are probably screened.

Tim


http://www.free-dating-personals-finder.com/

OK if Google is banning sites that have guestbook entries then why not
spam the guestbooks with your competitors links???

Hi,

I've been pointing this out for about a month now and see it as the
future. As soon as the big time spammers realise there has been a big
change they'll switch to destroying the competition rather than
building up their sites. Then Google will have to re think their
position on this type of spam.

I see Google discounting all links from guestbooks, memberlists
(possibly forums) and blogs in the medium term unless they can create
some workable link spam filters. They obviously don't have filters in
place today for obvious reasons (it would ban all blog pages for
starters).

Either that or some other way to determine the relevance of a link to
a page (theming) other than looking at the sites by hand, but I think
we are years away from that.

In others words google isnt banning them, just not counting them.
If they did then every site would be in potential danger of being
banned due to sabatoge.

Actually a few months ago Google stopped counting some guestbooks as
back links. I don't know when exactly, but Google also bans sites for
having one or more of the following-

A significant number of guestbook links, blog comment spam links and
memberlists (memberlists from forums) links. Obviously one or two
links won't get you banned, but if you are an obvious spammer watch
out Googles about :-))

If you get your domain added to the mt-blacklist for blog comment
spamming there is an increased risk of being banned (not saying Google
reads that list, just statistically your in trouble).

I see guestbooks in the counted backlinks of sites I check out
including my own so I see no evidence yet of a ban.

Some guestbooks still count, but some of the main ones don't.

Maybe you can explain this domains recent demise-

adultlingerieuk.com currently PR5.

This is one of my domains and fits the profile above. At one point it
had 800+ backlinks to the home page alone, 2500 pages indexed (as
shown by an allinurl: search) and at it's peak about a month ago
received 7000 unique visitors a day (30,000 odd most popular site on
alexa).

It's now lost all backlinks (shows 6000+ on Alltheweb), down to 350
indexed pages (dropping weekly) and most of those have no cache (so
useless). Also PR is not being transferred to other domains and more
importantly than anything visitor numbers has crashed through the
floor. It's got so bad I've stopped checking the domains stats.

I don't use on page SEO tricks i.e. hidden text, div layers, cloaking
etc.... I don't go after irrelevant phrases, the sites selling
lingerie, bondage gear and sex toys and that's the type of phrases it
was optimised for. 99% of pages on the site has a function, so there
aren't any doorway type pages or ones just for links/PR.

So there is nothing wrong on page/site optimisation.

The only thing that could of caused this is a ban, currently the site
is near the end of an outright ban and I'll expect to see no pages
indexed in the next two months.

One domain isn't enough to say spamming results in a ban, but we have
more. Check the mt-blacklist and see how many domains you can find
with PR, but no backlinks.

Although Sam wants to disagree with my findings he's also looked into
this (some of his domains found there way on to the blacklist) he can
list a few domains he's watched go from backlinks to no backlinks in
the space of a few days (or was it weeks?). So he's seen it happen to
sites he's used to find blogs that he can spam etc...

However if you
signed a guestbook with the generic "guestbook.html" I believe those
are probably screened.

No it's not the name, it's to do with being a guestbook (been able to
add comments). You can find (or could a few weeks back) disabled
guestbooks (where you can't post any more) that had the file name
guestbook.html and the links counted as backlinks.

Tim

BTW that marque would be considered a bit spammy. I doubt you'll be
penalised, but there are easier ways and much better ways to add words
to a page.

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James Taylor wrote:
long refutation of Sam's views on Google's guestbook spam filter

Dude, it is immature for you to call someone else's opinion BS when you
have
no clue.


Please refrain from feed the trolls. Sam's not fooling anybody, he's
just
gaming.



OK if Google is banning sites that have guestbook entries then why not
spam the guestbooks with your competitors links???

In others words google isnt banning them, just not counting them.
If they did then every site would be in potential danger of being
banned due to sabatoge.

I see guestbooks in the counted backlinks of sites I check out
including my own so I see no evidence yet of a ban. However if you
signed a guestbook with the generic "guestbook.html" I believe those
are probably screened.

Tim


http://www.free-dating-personals-finder.com/

Hi Tim,

Here is my original post just so that we do not get confused on the core
point.

We've had Google remove the links from Guestbook's and Blogs recently.
Although they are still there, Google no longer counts them. Also, if you
notice, many Guestbook's have dropped in P/R.

Google appears to be on a mission to deliver RELEVANT results, not results
based upon tricks and spammy techniques. We need to focus on great content
and a TON of text-based in-bound links from sites that are relevant to our
own.

I never said Goggle is banning them, I said Google is not counting some of
the links from Guestbook's that are PR 4/10 or better that they used to
count.

They are also in the process of lowering the PR on many Guestbook's and
Blogs (see Howard Dean's).
Not all, but some.
This is based on my observation of almost 100 sites I manage.

James Taylor
http://www.aicompany.com search engine optimization, web development and
high speed web hosting.
http://www.seo-highrankings.com free search engine optimization tools and
SEO tips