Does google dis-like large sites?

My site (www.lowth.com) is an open-source software site with Amazon
associate pages to provide some financial support. The site was dropped
totally from google on 28th Aug 2005, and hasnt shown any sign of
returning since.

At one time I was PR6, but dropped to PR5 for a year or so before
vanishing completely in august.

A search for "site:www.lowth.com" shows no results. A search for the
string "www.lowth.com" shows approx 600 results on other people's pages,
linking to mine (varies from day to day).

I dont play any of the cloaking or other dubious tricks that are
commonly discouraged on this list, but my Amazon associate pages did at
one time reach the 100,000+ mark in the google's index. I am wondering
whether this caused my demize.

I have added "robots.txt" entries to prevent this flood from recurring -
but I made that change almost as soon as I noticed the "crash" - and
google doesnt seem to be responding.

Googlebot visits only a tiny handful of my pages between once a day for
a couple of them, and once or so a month for a few others (about 10 or
so). It reads my robots.txt and sitemap daily.

I added the sitemap AFTER the crash in an attempt to bounce back, so
that cant have been the cause of the problem.

Any clues on what I have done wrong, and how to put things right would
be most welcome.

Thanks.

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:11:57 GMT, Wolfman's Brother
<my.address (AT) is (DOT) chris.at.lowth.dot.com> wrote:

My site (www.lowth.com) is an open-source software site with Amazon
associate pages to provide some financial support. The site was dropped
totally from google on 28th Aug 2005, and hasnt shown any sign of
returning since.

At one time I was PR6, but dropped to PR5 for a year or so before
vanishing completely in august.

A search for "site:www.lowth.com" shows no results. A search for the
string "www.lowth.com" shows approx 600 results on other people's pages,
linking to mine (varies from day to day).

I dont play any of the cloaking or other dubious tricks that are
commonly discouraged on this list, but my Amazon associate pages did at
one time reach the 100,000+ mark in the google's index. I am wondering
whether this caused my demize.

I have added "robots.txt" entries to prevent this flood from recurring -
but I made that change almost as soon as I noticed the "crash" - and
google doesnt seem to be responding.

Googlebot visits only a tiny handful of my pages between once a day for
a couple of them, and once or so a month for a few others (about 10 or
so). It reads my robots.txt and sitemap daily.

I added the sitemap AFTER the crash in an attempt to bounce back, so
that cant have been the cause of the problem.

Any clues on what I have done wrong, and how to put things right would
be most welcome.

Thanks.

Get rid of the Amazon links.

BB
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Elvis does my SEO

"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:11:57 GMT, Wolfman's Brother
my.address (AT) is (DOT) chris.at.lowth.dot.com> wrote:

My site (www.lowth.com) is an open-source software site with Amazon
associate pages to provide some financial support. The site was dropped
totally from google on 28th Aug 2005, and hasnt shown any sign of
returning since.

At one time I was PR6, but dropped to PR5 for a year or so before
vanishing completely in august.

A search for "site:www.lowth.com" shows no results. A search for the
string "www.lowth.com" shows approx 600 results on other people's pages,
linking to mine (varies from day to day).

I dont play any of the cloaking or other dubious tricks that are
commonly discouraged on this list, but my Amazon associate pages did at
one time reach the 100,000+ mark in the google's index. I am wondering
whether this caused my demize.

I have added "robots.txt" entries to prevent this flood from recurring -
but I made that change almost as soon as I noticed the "crash" - and
google doesnt seem to be responding.

Googlebot visits only a tiny handful of my pages between once a day for
a couple of them, and once or so a month for a few others (about 10 or
so). It reads my robots.txt and sitemap daily.

I added the sitemap AFTER the crash in an attempt to bounce back, so
that cant have been the cause of the problem.

Any clues on what I have done wrong, and how to put things right would
be most welcome.

Thanks.

Get rid of the Amazon links.

Why?

Stacey

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:36:54 +0200, "Stacey"
<Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:4sisk1tpvo4grk5pjibq1r4issouadrrap (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:11:57 GMT, Wolfman's Brother
my.address (AT) is (DOT) chris.at.lowth.dot.com> wrote:

My site (www.lowth.com) is an open-source software site with Amazon
associate pages to provide some financial support. The site was dropped
totally from google on 28th Aug 2005, and hasnt shown any sign of
returning since.

At one time I was PR6, but dropped to PR5 for a year or so before
vanishing completely in august.

A search for "site:www.lowth.com" shows no results. A search for the
string "www.lowth.com" shows approx 600 results on other people's pages,
linking to mine (varies from day to day).

I dont play any of the cloaking or other dubious tricks that are
commonly discouraged on this list, but my Amazon associate pages did at
one time reach the 100,000+ mark in the google's index. I am wondering
whether this caused my demize.

I have added "robots.txt" entries to prevent this flood from recurring -
but I made that change almost as soon as I noticed the "crash" - and
google doesnt seem to be responding.

Googlebot visits only a tiny handful of my pages between once a day for
a couple of them, and once or so a month for a few others (about 10 or
so). It reads my robots.txt and sitemap daily.

I added the sitemap AFTER the crash in an attempt to bounce back, so
that cant have been the cause of the problem.

Any clues on what I have done wrong, and how to put things right would
be most welcome.

Thanks.

Get rid of the Amazon links.

Why?

Stacey

Because there's already one site that has all this and it's called
Amazon. I'm guessing Google feels it doesn't need two of them. I'm
also guessing it doesn't need three Gutenbergs but we'll have to wait
and see about that. Point is the site gives a few pages of value and
tens of thousands of duplicated links. So why should Google bother to
index it?
Like I say, it already has one site with all the Amazon links in it,
and it's called Amazon.

BB

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www.kruse.co.uk/ seo (AT) kruse (DOT) demon.co.uk
Elvis does my SEO

"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:36:54 +0200, "Stacey"
Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

snip

Get rid of the Amazon links.

Why?

Stacey

Because there's already one site that has all this and it's called
Amazon. I'm guessing Google feels it doesn't need two of them. I'm
also guessing it doesn't need three Gutenbergs but we'll have to wait
and see about that. Point is the site gives a few pages of value and
tens of thousands of duplicated links. So why should Google bother to
index it?
Like I say, it already has one site with all the Amazon links in it,
and it's called Amazon.

There are already many SEO sites but there is always a few coming up
everyday. SOS isn't it? Anyone can buy Tupperware, Pampered Chef, Mary Kay,
and other products but there are individuals who sell this for them also.
So, someone has links going to Amazon products. I consider it the same as me
pointing a link to your site or any other site. I have a link going to an
appliance site on my sewn page. I make appliance covers so I put a link to
kitchen appliances there. It is the same with someone wanting to sell books
for Amazon. Why should Google index sites with duplicate Adsense Ads? It is
all the same.

Stacey

Stacey wrote:

Big Bill wrote...

Stacey wrote:

Big Bill wrote...

Get rid of the Amazon links.

Why?

Because there's already one site that has all this and it's called
Amazon. I'm guessing Google feels it doesn't need two of them. I'm
also guessing it doesn't need three Gutenbergs but we'll have to wait
and see about that. Point is the site gives a few pages of value and
tens of thousands of duplicated links. So why should Google bother to
index it?
Like I say, it already has one site with all the Amazon links in it,
and it's called Amazon.

There are already many SEO sites but there is always a few coming up
everyday. SOS isn't it? Anyone can buy Tupperware, Pampered Chef, Mary Kay,
and other products but there are individuals who sell this for them also.
So, someone has links going to Amazon products. I consider it the same as me
pointing a link to your site or any other site. I have a link going to an
appliance site on my sewn page. I make appliance covers so I put a link to
kitchen appliances there. It is the same with someone wanting to sell books
for Amazon. Why should Google index sites with duplicate Adsense Ads? It is
all the same.

Alas, your opinion doesn't matter. What matters is the opinion of a
mindless robot imperfectly programmed to try to reject all search
engine optimizations without losing the elevant content.

Consider whether using the rel="nofollow" attribute will work for you.

Wolfman's Brother wrote:

My site (www.lowth.com) is an open-source software site with Amazon
associate pages to provide some financial support. The site was dropped

totally from google on 28th Aug 2005, and hasnt shown any sign of
returning since.

At one time I was PR6, but dropped to PR5 for a year or so before
vanishing completely in august.

A search for "site:www.lowth.com" shows no results. A search
for the
string "www.lowth.com" shows approx 600 results on other
people's pages,
linking to mine (varies from day to day).

I dont play any of the cloaking or other dubious tricks that are
commonly discouraged on this list, but my Amazon associate pages did at

one time reach the 100,000+ mark in the google's index. I am wondering
whether this caused my demize.

I have added "robots.txt" entries to prevent this flood from
recurring -
but I made that change almost as soon as I noticed the
"crash" - and
google doesnt seem to be responding.

Googlebot visits only a tiny handful of my pages between once a day for

a couple of them, and once or so a month for a few others (about 10 or
so). It reads my robots.txt and sitemap daily.

I added the sitemap AFTER the crash in an attempt to bounce back, so
that cant have been the cause of the problem.

Any clues on what I have done wrong, and how to put things right would
be most welcome.

Quite opposite. Google does like large site for the reason of PR
accumulation. Well, large sites that interlink between their own pages
that is. If all your Amazon affiliate links were only pointing to Amazon,
you would not have any SEO benefit, but it is hard to say why it lead to
such drastic actions by Google.
Anyways, I do not know what was wrong with your site before, but it looks
absolutely OK now. I would suggest that you

#1 write Google a letter just for the fun of it in hopes that they either
restore your index or at least explain what had happened

#2 wait a little more. There has not been any major change since Aug 28,
and if they have decided to put you back, you may not see it yet. An
update is just around the corner, so give it few more days.


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"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com/> wrote

Stacey wrote:

Big Bill wrote...

Stacey wrote:

Big Bill wrote...

Get rid of the Amazon links.

Why?

Because there's already one site that has all this and it's called
Amazon. I'm guessing Google feels it doesn't need two of them. I'm
also guessing it doesn't need three Gutenbergs but we'll have to wait
and see about that. Point is the site gives a few pages of value and
tens of thousands of duplicated links. So why should Google bother to
index it?
Like I say, it already has one site with all the Amazon links in it,
and it's called Amazon.

There are already many SEO sites but there is always a few coming up
everyday. SOS isn't it? Anyone can buy Tupperware, Pampered Chef, Mary
Kay,
and other products but there are individuals who sell this for them also.
So, someone has links going to Amazon products. I consider it the same as
me
pointing a link to your site or any other site. I have a link going to an
appliance site on my sewn page. I make appliance covers so I put a link to
kitchen appliances there. It is the same with someone wanting to sell
books
for Amazon. Why should Google index sites with duplicate Adsense Ads? It
is
all the same.

Alas, your opinion doesn't matter. What matters is the opinion of a
mindless robot imperfectly programmed to try to reject all search
engine optimizations without losing the elevant content.

Well, Google does index many SEO sites as well as other same stuff. Loads of
the same thing. How many electrical engineer sites are out there indexed by
Google? Good thing it isn't first come first serve right, with only one site
to serve? What matters is that Google does index sites with the same links
and same stuff content. Just not duplicate content basically word for word.

Consider whether using the rel="nofollow" attribute will work for you.

Text is still counted with a "no follow" so it would still be duplicate
content somewhere. Just not the complete page saying word for word.

Stacey

Big Bill wrote:

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:11:57 GMT, Wolfman's Brother

Any clues on what I have done wrong, and how to put things right would
be most welcome.

Thanks.


Get rid of the Amazon links.

BB

Thanks for taking time to comment.

It's certainly a thought - though there are plenty of sites round and
about that *are* making pocket money out of Amazon, and dont seem to be
doing anything much different from mine.

I dont pick up any sense on the Amazon associate discussion groups that
there's a whole-sale demoting of associate sites going on at the moment
so I can only conclude that there is something specific about my site
that google objects to more than others.

At least my core "focus" isnt that of an associate, even if the balance
of page numbers doesnt exactly reflect that fact (due to the nature of
the datafeed Amazon supplies to it's associates).

I *have* effectively got rid of the links by preventing google (and
others) crawling them via robots.txt. I did that almost as soon as I hit
rock bottom, but google's crawl pattern hasnt changed (in the sense that
it's only crawling 2 or 3 key pages). I guess I just need to wait a
little longer?

Apart from the "dont be an associate" line of advice (which, through
robots.txt, I have effectively taken some time ago), is there anything
else about the site which would make google look at me negatively?

Chris

www.1-script.com wrote:

#1 write Google a letter just for the fun of it in hopes that they either
restore your index or at least explain what had happened

#2 wait a little more. There has not been any major change since Aug 28,
and if they have decided to put you back, you may not see it yet. An
update is just around the corner, so give it few more days.

Thanks for the input.

I have tried #1 pretty soon after the event - but so far no change.

As far as #2 goes - the crawl activity in the logs is tiny, so it doesnt
seem likely that things are due to change any time soon.

I guess it's a waiting game them. How long should I leave it before
coming to the conculsion that further action is needed?

Thanks

Chris