confused

Could anyone tell me why this site www.inspirals.co.uk is on page 2 of
Google for a search for the keyword "jewellery" whilst our site
www.argenteus.co.uk is nowhere to be found at all ever??

I have been doing my best to optimise our site for this keyword and don't
seem to be getting anywhere. I know its a very popular keyword but looking
at the inspirals site I just can't see why they are so high up. They don't
have that many IBLs and I can't see anything particularly clever about their
coding or the site in general. I'm no expert though so I wondered if anyone
could solve the mystery for me.

While you are at it would anyone have any idea why we got no response from a
request to be added to DMOZ either. Its been about 5 months now and no
dice. Is there something really bad about our site?

TIA

Ian Middleton
Argenteus

On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:47:54 +0100, "Ian Middleton"
<imid (AT) argenteus (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Could anyone tell me why this site www.inspirals.co.uk is on page 2 of
Google for a search for the keyword "jewellery" whilst our site
www.argenteus.co.uk is nowhere to be found at all ever??

I think we've been asked this before.

I have been doing my best to optimise our site for this keyword and don't
seem to be getting anywhere. I know its a very popular keyword but looking
at the inspirals site I just can't see why they are so high up. They don't
have that many IBLs

They probably do but you have no way to find them. You can't go by
Google's onboard tools as they only give you samples, not the whole
enchillada.

and I can't see anything particularly clever about their
coding or the site in general. I'm no expert though so I wondered if anyone
could solve the mystery for me.

While you are at it would anyone have any idea why we got no response from a
request to be added to DMOZ either. Its been about 5 months now and no
dice. Is there something really bad about our site?

Dunno, but there's been a lot really bad about DMOZ for years now.

Also, Jeez, there's a whole load more you could do to optimise your
site.

I could sit here and rattle a few things off but I'm tired tonight.
Anybody?

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On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 20:15:17 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk>
wrote:

On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:47:54 +0100, "Ian Middleton"
imid (AT) argenteus (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Could anyone tell me why this site www.inspirals.co.uk is on page 2 of
Google for a search for the keyword "jewellery" whilst our site
www.argenteus.co.uk is nowhere to be found at all ever??

I think we've been asked this before.

Yep. It is one of Mart | R's favourite sites <g>
He has been watching them.

plh
Paul

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"Paul" <webmaster (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote

On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 20:15:17 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk
wrote:

On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:47:54 +0100, "Ian Middleton"
imid (AT) argenteus (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Could anyone tell me why this site www.inspirals.co.uk is on page 2 of
Google for a search for the keyword "jewellery" whilst our site
www.argenteus.co.uk is nowhere to be found at all ever??

I think we've been asked this before.

Yep. It is one of Mart | R's favourite sites <g
He has been watching them.

LOL!!! I was going to say I bet that made Mark happy since the site moved to
page 2.:-)

Stacey

On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:47:54 +0100, "Ian Middleton"
<imid (AT) argenteus (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Could anyone tell me why this site www.inspirals.co.uk is on page 2 of
Google for a search for the keyword "jewellery" whilst our site
www.argenteus.co.uk is nowhere to be found at all ever??

Hi Ian

You need more IBL's with your keywords in it. I didn't see many in
google that are from other sites, and the ones that did (mainly
near.co.uk) were not in the hyperlink.

I have been doing my best to optimise our site for this keyword and don't
seem to be getting anywhere.

You code is very messy.
The idea of css is that it is on a separate .css sheet.
On your homepage you have only one header tag and that is a bit long,
so the keyword "jewellery" could be weakened by it.

Maybe better to have it as "jewellery by Argenteus"

I know its a very popular keyword but looking at the inspirals site I just can't see why they are so high up.

They don't have that many IBLs and I can't see anything particularly clever about their
coding or the site in general.

No disrespect, but you too do not have many IBLs and the ones that do
(mainly near.co.uk do not have your keywords in the hyperlinks)

Your code could do with a lot of cleaning up
This page for example : http://www.argenteus.co.uk/links-exchange.htm

It littered with un-needed code :

<h1><img src="linksx.jpg" width="149" height="17" alt="Exchange links
with Argenteus"></h1>

and ...........
<h1>&nbsp;</h1>

and pointless code like ..........
<div align="center">
<div></div>
</div>
which is on your homepage

Also, keep your links related to your site. I was not expecting to see
Alaskan Adventures on a jewellery site.

Maybe opencube.com have reported you for using an unregistered version
of their dhtml effect

You do need more IBLs from *related* sies with your keywords in them.

I'm no expert though so I wondered if anyone could solve the mystery for me.

While you are at it would anyone have any idea why we got no response from a
request to be added to DMOZ either. Its been about 5 months now and no
dice. Is there something really bad about our site?

How many times have you submitted your site to them ?
5 months is nothing, you can wait years.
One of my sites took about 8 months and the other is still waiting to
be listed and thats after 14 months.

plh
Paul - who runs a jewelry site

TIA

Ian Middleton
Argenteus

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On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 23:01:19 +0200, "Stacey"
<Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"Paul" <webmaster (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 20:15:17 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk
wrote:

On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:47:54 +0100, "Ian Middleton"
imid (AT) argenteus (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Could anyone tell me why this site www.inspirals.co.uk is on page 2 of
Google for a search for the keyword "jewellery" whilst our site
www.argenteus.co.uk is nowhere to be found at all ever??

I think we've been asked this before.

Yep. It is one of Mart | R's favourite sites <g
He has been watching them.

LOL!!! I was going to say I bet that made Mark happy since the site moved to
page 2.:-)

Stacey

I don't think page 2 is good enough. I think Mark would not like to

see it at all <g>

plh
Paul

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Thanks for the comments from everybody but I guess this one is the most
constructive. Just a few replies though.

"Paul" <webmaster (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote

On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:47:54 +0100, "Ian Middleton"
imid (AT) argenteus (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Could anyone tell me why this site www.inspirals.co.uk is on page 2 of
Google for a search for the keyword "jewellery" whilst our site
www.argenteus.co.uk is nowhere to be found at all ever??

Hi Ian

You need more IBL's with your keywords in it. I didn't see many in
google that are from other sites, and the ones that did (mainly
near.co.uk) were not in the hyperlink.

Good point and one I have only recently been made aware of. Thanks for the

info.

I have been doing my best to optimise our site for this keyword and don't
seem to be getting anywhere.

You code is very messy.
The idea of css is that it is on a separate .css sheet.

I inherited the basic for of the site from another designer so I have been
trying to tidy things up a bit. Mostly using Dreamweaver though so possibly
its a factor of that. I did learn the basics of HTML a long time ago but
never really thought I needed to pursue it as all these faboulous WYSIWYG
things came along. Not very helpful if they genrate 'messy' code though.
Think I'm stuck with that though as I don't have a lot of time to re-learn
raw code.

On your homepage you have only one header tag and that is a bit long,
so the keyword "jewellery" could be weakened by it.

Maybe better to have it as "jewellery by Argenteus"

OK another good point. I'll have a look at that. I did change the title to
something like that a while back for that reason.

I know its a very popular keyword but looking at the inspirals site I
just can't see why they are so high up.

They don't have that many IBLs and I can't see anything particularly
clever about their
coding or the site in general.

No disrespect, but you too do not have many IBLs and the ones that do
(mainly near.co.uk do not have your keywords in the hyperlinks)

Absolutley! We only started swapping links recently and again I haven't had
a lot of time to devote to it. I did some link popularity checks with
Marketleap though and they showed us as having loads more IBLs than the
other site.

Your code could do with a lot of cleaning up
This page for example : http://www.argenteus.co.uk/links-exchange.htm

It littered with un-needed code :

h1><img src="linksx.jpg" width="149" height="17" alt="Exchange links
with Argenteus"></h1

and ...........
h1>&nbsp;</h1

and pointless code like ..........
div align="center"
div></div
/div
which is on your homepage

Hmmm...back to my previous comment above really. Dreamweaver must have put
a lot of that in unless its an artifact from me using another page as a
template that was previoulsy created by the other deisgner. Are there any
clever bits of kit out there to find these sorts of thing and strip them out
for me?

Also, keep your links related to your site. I was not expecting to see
Alaskan Adventures on a jewellery site.

Take your point but as we have only just started to swap links I thought
that beggars should not be choosers! I have turned some sites down though!

Maybe opencube.com have reported you for using an unregistered version
of their dhtml effect

They are all registered! There does seem to be a problem if you view the
cached versions from Google though which I think is a factor of the way the
registration code works. We have another 10 or 11 domain names and they all
needed to be registered separately. Could you confirm where you got the
unregistered error from though just in case there is another problem.

You do need more IBLs from *related* sies with your keywords in them.

I'm no expert though so I wondered if anyone could solve the mystery for
me.


While you are at it would anyone have any idea why we got no response from
a
request to be added to DMOZ either. Its been about 5 months now and no
dice. Is there something really bad about our site?

How many times have you submitted your site to them ?
5 months is nothing, you can wait years.
One of my sites took about 8 months and the other is still waiting to
be listed and thats after 14 months.

Just the once as I was filled with dread about multiple applications leading
to us being blacklisted! Shame they don't give you any way of asking nicely
why they are ignoring you!

plh
Paul - who runs a jewelry site

Which one? wanna swap links Not inspirals is it??

I still maintain though that the ispiral site is not very um..inspiring so I
still can't understand why they get such a high ranking. rather frustrating
as we have been on the web now for about 8 years!

TIA

Ian Middleton
Argenteus


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based upon confidence that results from evidence -
and that confidence can be modified and/or reversed by further
observations and experimentation.
Science approaches truth, closer and closer, by hard dedicated work.
Religion already has it all decided, and it's "in the book.
It's dogma, unchangeable, and unaffected by reality and whatever facts we
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:47:21 +0100, "Ian Middleton"
<imid (AT) argenteus (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Thanks for the comments from everybody but I guess this one is the most
constructive. Just a few replies though.

"Paul" <webmaster (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:cpdgk1dahjc9jq1gcqc9g7niehghkvim8v (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:47:54 +0100, "Ian Middleton"
imid (AT) argenteus (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Could anyone tell me why this site www.inspirals.co.uk is on page 2 of
Google for a search for the keyword "jewellery" whilst our site
www.argenteus.co.uk is nowhere to be found at all ever??

Hi Ian

You need more IBL's with your keywords in it. I didn't see many in
google that are from other sites, and the ones that did (mainly
near.co.uk) were not in the hyperlink.

Good point and one I have only recently been made aware of. Thanks for the
info.



I have been doing my best to optimise our site for this keyword and don't
seem to be getting anywhere.

You code is very messy.
The idea of css is that it is on a separate .css sheet.

I inherited the basic for of the site from another designer so I have been
trying to tidy things up a bit. Mostly using Dreamweaver though so possibly
its a factor of that. I did learn the basics of HTML a long time ago but
never really thought I needed to pursue it as all these faboulous WYSIWYG
things came along. Not very helpful if they genrate 'messy' code though.
Think I'm stuck with that though as I don't have a lot of time to re-learn
raw code.


On your homepage you have only one header tag and that is a bit long,
so the keyword "jewellery" could be weakened by it.

Maybe better to have it as "jewellery by Argenteus"


OK another good point. I'll have a look at that. I did change the title to
something like that a while back for that reason.


I know its a very popular keyword but looking at the inspirals site I
just can't see why they are so high up.

They don't have that many IBLs and I can't see anything particularly
clever about their
coding or the site in general.

No disrespect, but you too do not have many IBLs and the ones that do
(mainly near.co.uk do not have your keywords in the hyperlinks)

Absolutley! We only started swapping links recently and again I haven't had
a lot of time to devote to it. I did some link popularity checks with
Marketleap though and they showed us as having loads more IBLs than the
other site.


Your code could do with a lot of cleaning up
This page for example : http://www.argenteus.co.uk/links-exchange.htm

It littered with un-needed code :

h1><img src="linksx.jpg" width="149" height="17" alt="Exchange links
with Argenteus"></h1

and ...........
h1>&nbsp;</h1

and pointless code like ..........
div align="center"
div></div
/div
which is on your homepage

Hmmm...back to my previous comment above really. Dreamweaver must have put
a lot of that in unless its an artifact from me using another page as a
template that was previoulsy created by the other deisgner. Are there any
clever bits of kit out there to find these sorts of thing and strip them out
for me?

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