Google Algo Figured Out!

I have finally figured out the new 11/16 google algo (I prefer 11/16 to
Florida, a state I hate by the way that illegally gave the last election
to bush).

My sites are starting to return to pages 1&2 again on databses www2. and
www3.google.com because of changes I have made on them.

The 11/16 algo is NOT a filter, NOT -googlegoo, NOT a way to force us to
pay for listing.

The 11/16 algo is IS about making the serps more relevant and getting
rid of irlevant spammer sites and they have succeeded in doing just
that.

The reason that the serps are full of informational sites at commercial
and adult serps is that informational sites generally do not SEO their
sites and that has saved them from becoming irrelevant.

The ANSWER is to get your sites back up to pages 1-10 again is to make
them relevant for the first time in their life and generally commercial
and adult sites have higher page ranking than informational sites and
that will return things to normal again with comercial and adult
commercial sites being listed ahead of informational only sites.

The site has to be relevant in 3 basic areas:

1. Site meta title
2. Site text content
3. Linking structure

1. Site meta title - do a google search using your site title and see if
your site shows up. If it doesn't you need to adjust your title in some
way to make it relevant again. You can try adding or shortening the
title or maybe even adding dashes between the words.

2. text content - make sure you use your site title in the text and at
least one link on the page.

3. linking structure - make sure all the pages in your main directory
all link back and forth to each other and the index page. Also I would
suggest not using long or wierd directory or file names.

If you do those 3 things your sites wil all return back up to their high
listing they had before 11/16. Bear in mind while title, text content
changes will get you site back up again fairly quickly, depending on
your sites PR (toolbar pr), linking structure changes might take
anywhere from a few weeks to 2 months until google updates the changes.

Whew, I hope you're right. It does make sense.
Will definitely double-check this. Thanks for posting.

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 15:54:15 GMT, Sam <. (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:

I have finally figured out the new 11/16 google algo (I prefer 11/16 to
Florida, a state I hate by the way that illegally gave the last election
to bush).

My sites are starting to return to pages 1&2 again on databses www2. and
www3.google.com because of changes I have made on them.

The 11/16 algo is NOT a filter, NOT -googlegoo, NOT a way to force us to
pay for listing.

The 11/16 algo is IS about making the serps more relevant and getting
rid of irlevant spammer sites and they have succeeded in doing just
that.

The reason that the serps are full of informational sites at commercial
and adult serps is that informational sites generally do not SEO their
sites and that has saved them from becoming irrelevant.

The ANSWER is to get your sites back up to pages 1-10 again is to make
them relevant for the first time in their life and generally commercial
and adult sites have higher page ranking than informational sites and
that will return things to normal again with comercial and adult
commercial sites being listed ahead of informational only sites.

The site has to be relevant in 3 basic areas:

1. Site meta title
2. Site text content
3. Linking structure

1. Site meta title - do a google search using your site title and see if
your site shows up. If it doesn't you need to adjust your title in some
way to make it relevant again. You can try adding or shortening the
title or maybe even adding dashes between the words.

2. text content - make sure you use your site title in the text and at
least one link on the page.

3. linking structure - make sure all the pages in your main directory
all link back and forth to each other and the index page. Also I would
suggest not using long or wierd directory or file names.

If you do those 3 things your sites wil all return back up to their high
listing they had before 11/16. Bear in mind while title, text content
changes will get you site back up again fairly quickly, depending on
your sites PR (toolbar pr), linking structure changes might take
anywhere from a few weeks to 2 months until google updates the changes.

(A bubble of light floats in and, in a gleam of light, transforms into
the Google team dressed as Glinda the good witch.)

GT: Oh, but you've had that information all the time! We told you from
the beginning, though apparently you weren't listening. Just link your
pages together and say "there's no place in my SEO strategy for SE
spamming."

3. linking structure - make sure all the pages in your main directory
all link back and forth to each other and the index page. Also I would
suggest not using long or wierd directory or file names.

I have a structure like this:

www.example.com/adm/myproducts/

where the above URL is in the Google index.

And www.example.com/ links to
www.example.com/adm/ which links to
www.example.com/abc/myproducts/

But there are no links backwards!
e.g. www.example.com/abc/myproducts/ don't link to neither www.example.com/abc/
nor www.example.com/

Is that the reason why I've got a worse position?

I do have lots of sub pages at www.example.com/abc/myproducts/ though and they
all link back and forth to each other.

The site is here if you're curious: http://www.mhc.se/software/plugins/

John A. wrote:

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 15:54:15 GMT, Sam <. (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:

I have finally figured out the new 11/16 google algo (I prefer 11/16 to
Florida, a state I hate by the way that illegally gave the last election
to bush).

My sites are starting to return to pages 1&2 again on databses www2. and
www3.google.com because of changes I have made on them.

The 11/16 algo is NOT a filter, NOT -googlegoo, NOT a way to force us to
pay for listing.

The 11/16 algo is IS about making the serps more relevant and getting
rid of irlevant spammer sites and they have succeeded in doing just
that.

The reason that the serps are full of informational sites at commercial
and adult serps is that informational sites generally do not SEO their
sites and that has saved them from becoming irrelevant.

The ANSWER is to get your sites back up to pages 1-10 again is to make
them relevant for the first time in their life and generally commercial
and adult sites have higher page ranking than informational sites and
that will return things to normal again with comercial and adult
commercial sites being listed ahead of informational only sites.

The site has to be relevant in 3 basic areas:

1. Site meta title
2. Site text content
3. Linking structure

1. Site meta title - do a google search using your site title and see if
your site shows up. If it doesn't you need to adjust your title in some
way to make it relevant again. You can try adding or shortening the
title or maybe even adding dashes between the words.

2. text content - make sure you use your site title in the text and at
least one link on the page.

3. linking structure - make sure all the pages in your main directory
all link back and forth to each other and the index page. Also I would
suggest not using long or wierd directory or file names.

If you do those 3 things your sites wil all return back up to their high
listing they had before 11/16. Bear in mind while title, text content
changes will get you site back up again fairly quickly, depending on
your sites PR (toolbar pr), linking structure changes might take
anywhere from a few weeks to 2 months until google updates the changes.

(A bubble of light floats in and, in a gleam of light, transforms into
the Google team dressed as Glinda the good witch.)

GT: Oh, but you've had that information all the time! We told you from
the beginning, though apparently you weren't listening. Just link your
pages together and say "there's no place in my SEO strategy for SE
spamming."

Well if you did I missed your posts somehow. You also need to be mde to
understand that the average seo'd site isn't intentionally trying to
spam and most of the irrelevancy is really done unitentionally but that
will all change now with google's new algo forcing people to become
better at seo. The big time spammers are the ones spamming and creating
irrelevant sites purposely and they are as good as gone from google, for
awhile anyway. My guess is they will probably figure out some other way
to do it but at least this buys google more time to find an even better
type of software to deal with them in the future.

Mike wrote:

3. linking structure - make sure all the pages in your main directory
all link back and forth to each other and the index page. Also I would
suggest not using long or wierd directory or file names.

I have a structure like this:

www.example.com/adm/myproducts/

where the above URL is in the Google index.

And www.example.com/ links to
www.example.com/adm/ which links to
www.example.com/abc/myproducts/

But there are no links backwards!
e.g. www.example.com/abc/myproducts/ don't link to neither www.example.com/abc/
nor www.example.com/

Is that the reason why I've got a worse position?

I do have lots of sub pages at www.example.com/abc/myproducts/ though and they
all link back and forth to each other.

The site is here if you're curious: http://www.mhc.se/software/plugins/

I'm not real crazy about tht kind of linking structure and it could be
causing you problems. Not 100% sure so don't want to tell you flat out
it's no good when it might be. But I'll give you my example of what I
think good linking structure is:

www.example.com - this is your index.html page main page of your site in
your main directory folder and you have let's say 10 pages in the main
directory folder which use file names that end in .html for all 10
pages. All 10 pages have 11 links on them, 9 links to each other page in
the main directory and 1 link to the index page, and 1 link to itself,
and the index page also has 11 links, 10 going to the 10 pages and 1
link for itself. The itself link (one for the page itself) should use
the title of the site as it's anchor text and as a matter of fact all
the links should use their page meta title as the link anchor text.

Now if you want to add more directories that is fine:
www.example.com/cars/ - let's say cars is another directory and it also
has 10 pages. Those 10 pages should also link to other, have a link for
itself, and a link back to the main directory index page and the main
directory index page should also have 10 links going to the /car
directory.

You don't have to link the 10 pages in the main directory to the 10
pages in the car directory if you don't want to, however you can link
them to each other if you want to. I prefer not linking internal pages
from one directory to another but that's just a personal thing with me.

This type of linking structure will make your linking relevant and it
will also increase the page ranking(toolbar pr) of your site as all the
internal pages will have equal ranking as the main index page of your
site.

"Sam" <. (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:

I'm not real crazy about tht kind of linking structure and it could be
causing you problems. Not 100% sure so don't want to tell you flat out
it's no good when it might be.

I inserted back links just to be sure. It'll be interesting to watch the result
of the next crawl/dance.

Mike wrote:

"Sam" <. (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:

I'm not real crazy about tht kind of linking structure and it could be
causing you problems. Not 100% sure so don't want to tell you flat out
it's no good when it might be.

I inserted back links just to be sure. It'll be interesting to watch the result
of the next crawl/dance.

Remember links take a lot longer to be updated by google and depending
on how high your pr is it could take anywhere from a few weeks to a
couple of months before this causes a positive change for you. Have you
checked out your page titles at your index page and even all internal
pages to make sure they are all relevant? Something like that can be
updated in a few days sometimes, again depending on your site pr (higher
pr will get quicker google updates).

Mike wrote:

"Sam" <. (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:

I'm not real crazy about tht kind of linking structure and it could be
causing you problems. Not 100% sure so don't want to tell you flat out
it's no good when it might be.

I inserted back links just to be sure. It'll be interesting to watch the result
of the next crawl/dance.

Remember links take a lot longer to be updated by google and depending
on how high your pr is it could take anywhere from a few weeks to a
couple of months before this causes a positive change for you. Have you
checked out your page titles at your index page and even all internal
pages to make sure they are all relevant? Something like that can be
updated in a few days sometimes, again depending on your site pr (higher
pr will get quicker google updates).

I have PR 5. Unfortunately the title of the index was *not* relevant for the keywords
I target, so I have changed it. I will change all sub pages as well. I thought it was
enough having the keywords in the text etc, and before 11/16 it was, but obviously
not after.

Yeah, I know that it can take weeks, but there's nothing to do about that.

Thanks for all the tips.

"Sam" <. (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote

I have finally figured out the new 11/16 google algo (I prefer 11/16 to
Florida, a state I hate by the way that illegally gave the last election
to bush).

Hi Sam,

I read your post and this is pretty much what many SEO's have been doing all
along. All of my sites rank better as of 11/16 with the exception of one
that I just started working on at teh beginning of Nov.

Good post...except forthe George Bush thing. It is about time we got
someone with decent morals to stand up for what made this country great to
begin with.

He won fair and square...those poor Floridians...they really had a difficult
time with the chad ordeal didn't they?

HAHA


James Taylor
www.AICompany.com