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Re: Check keyword density for URL with https -
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"John Bokma" <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> skrev i meddelandet news:Xns973E9E1534CDBcastleamber (AT) 130 (DOT) 133.1.4... "Luigi Donatello Asero" <jaggillarfotboll (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote: "John Bokma" <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> skrev i meddelandet Does your site mimick an existing one? No. Does using https make your site a genuine one? No. https is to set up a secure connection between visitor and site. It doesn't add credibility to the site itself. I do not agree. Of course not, since you use https. Do you think that Equifax Secure global e-Business CA-1 would be glad to certify phished versions? Some actual phising sites from the past (reported to Paypal): http:// www . losases . com . uy /ssl/pp/ http:// unclejim sw ormfarm.com/secured/ssl/p rocessing/sslusingid- 3957dfceritificate-true-httppaypalsecuredserver/http.paypal.com http://www. loveua ll.net/ http://tabo ufash ions.com/.pgp/.ssh/backup/.7z3kk5f/secured/encryptionkey38572357203 989735secure/ssl.true.route.key100safe35u935839ghw/ssl/process/id- 3957dfceritificate-paypal/http.paypal.com/ Can you explain why unclejimswormfarm.com *can't* get a certification? (click on the padlock on the bottom right corner of the page) Look, you even have to explain to people where to click. Doesn't dat say something? Which certificate authorities certificated those sites? |
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It says that today most people do not buy on internet but on traditional shops for some reasons. |
a site, and paying quite some extra money to have it delivered?
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One of these reasons is that they do not trust Internet because they know little about it. |
the Internet (for example, this year I bought the Blender manual and
Xara Xtreme). I bought all my sites / domains over the Internet. Did you
get your website and certificates in a shop?
Yes, for some it's a reason: I don't trust it. Some people don't buy for
that same reason in many normal shops, because they don't trust the
people working there. That's why specialized shops still can make a
living. And for the same reason people don't buy in "Joe's price attack"
but go to such a specialized shop, they don't buy on the Internet
either.
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Those who want to support e-commerce and information on the net are interested to inform people about the padlock and many other things. |
do care about is: have others bought with the same shop, and how was
that experience. How fast can I get it. What if I don't like it.
I have seen web shops that were extremely badly designed, used simple
mail forms, and made quite some money, just because they delivered the
goods, and fast at that.
But it's funny that you are moving from phishing to what https was made
for: secure transactions.
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"Luigi Donatello Asero" <jaggillarfotboll (AT) telia (DOT) com> skrev i meddelandet news:C_Xtf.153248$dP1.511220 (AT) newsc (DOT) telia.net... "John Bokma" <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> skrev i meddelandet |
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Some actual phising sites from the past (reported to Paypal): http:// www . losases . com . uy /ssl/pp/ http:// unclejim sw ormfarm.com/secured/ssl/p rocessing/sslusingid- 3957dfceritificate-true-httppaypalsecuredserver/http.paypal.com |
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Do you mean that Equifax Secure global e-Business CA-1 certified them or other phishing sites and if so which ones? |
his paypal info when the address in the address bar states
unclejimswormfarm, without thinking twice, how do you think a pad lock and
yellow background of the address bar is going to help?
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Funny, I have bought books, hardware, complete computers, software over the Internet (for example, this year I bought the Blender manual and |
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"John Bokma" <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> skrev i meddelandet news:Xns973E9FC9415E7castleamber (AT) 130 (DOT) 133.1.4... "Luigi Donatello Asero" <jaggillarfotboll (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote: "Paul" <webmaster (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> skrev i meddelandet No, but phishing sites are less likely to have a https adress which is certified by Equifax.... for several reasons: a) it costs more "$14.95 SSL Certificates" (Sponsored link on Google). In short, it's nothing. There are people using free hosts as well... |
badly designed websites, just because they deliver the goods.
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b) more people begin talking a lot about these sites and wonder why they have total https.... You're the first person I hear stating this. do not tell me now that you only did it with me... Yes. Fine. In this case would you mind explaining why? |
reduce phishing attacks.
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c) https sites probably undergo a wider control, probably doesn't do it for me. What do you mean? |
control or not.
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we are talking about websites which use certificates which are recognized by certain authorities And can be bought for just 14,95. does that say that they do not check up at all? |
it. They check, I get my 14.95 certification, and next week I use it for
phishing. How do they know? I can always tell that my site got hacked,
etc. anyway. Note that phishing attacks are short, most sites I reported
got closed down in a few hours, or were even gone when I checked them in
the first place.
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Phishing works because people think they are on the real site. I have checked out quite some of those sites, and most I have seen are clearly phishing sites because the URL in the address bar says. Yet a huge number of people don't check that simple fact. Do you really think they are going to click on a padlock, then find out who Equifax is, etc? I have never heard of Equifax. Who tells me I can trust it? Do you think that you can trust it or not? |
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Who tells me that I can trust paypal? |
*you* or they don't. For every shop with good stories, you can find bad
stories. It's the ratio of those two that tells the real story. And even
if it's good today, it can change tomorrow.
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"Luigi Donatello Asero" <jaggillarfotboll (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote: "John Bokma" <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> skrev i meddelandet news:Xns973E9E1534CDBcastleamber (AT) 130 (DOT) 133.1.4... "Luigi Donatello Asero" <jaggillarfotboll (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote: "John Bokma" <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> skrev i meddelandet Does your site mimick an existing one? No. Does using https make your site a genuine one? No. https is to set up a secure connection between visitor and site. It doesn't add credibility to the site itself. I do not agree. Of course not, since you use https. Do you think that Equifax Secure global e-Business CA-1 would be glad to certify phished versions? Some actual phising sites from the past (reported to Paypal): http:// www . losases . com . uy /ssl/pp/ http:// unclejim sw ormfarm.com/secured/ssl/p rocessing/sslusingid- 3957dfceritificate-true-httppaypalsecuredserver/http.paypal.com http://www. loveua ll.net/ http://tabo ufash ions.com/.pgp/.ssh/backup/.7z3kk5f/secured/encryptionkey38572357203 989735secure/ssl.true.route.key100safe35u935839ghw/ssl/process/id- 3957dfceritificate-paypal/http.paypal.com/ Can you explain why unclejimswormfarm.com *can't* get a certification? (click on the padlock on the bottom right corner of the page) Look, you even have to explain to people where to click. Doesn't dat say something? Which certificate authorities certificated those sites? Why would unclejimswormfarm.com not be able to get one? It says that today most people do not buy on internet but on traditional shops for some reasons. Maybe because going to a supermarket works a bit better then clicking on a site, and paying quite some extra money to have it delivered? |
Prices on the internet are cheaper in some cases. On the internet there are
both wares and services, not only wares..
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One of these reasons is that they do not trust Internet because they know little about it. Funny, I have bought books, hardware, complete computers, software over the Internet (for example, this year I bought the Blender manual and Xara Xtreme). I bought all my sites / domains over the Internet. Did you get your website and certificates in a shop? |
they are available.
At the moment I do not remember whether I have bought softwares on the
internet.
I buy from my webhost on the internet but they send me an invoice by post.
In any case you are talking about
electronic articles which are the things which is easier to sell on the
internet.
But that sounds to be far from the full development of e-commerce.
On the other hand we are going to have more and more control on the internet
nowadays, so I guess that we shall need identify ourselves on the internet
within a few years on NGs as well.
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Yes, for some it's a reason: I don't trust it. Some people don't buy for that same reason in many normal shops, because they don't trust the people working there. That's why specialized shops still can make a living. And for the same reason people don't buy in "Joe's price attack" but go to such a specialized shop, they don't buy on the Internet either. |
Are you talking about quality of the services or are about money which is
invested or about
webdesign?
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Those who want to support e-commerce and information on the net are interested to inform people about the padlock and many other things. Many customers don't care about such things or have no clue. What they do care about is: have others bought with the same shop, and how was that experience. How fast can I get it. What if I don't like it. I have seen web shops that were extremely badly designed, used simple mail forms, and made quite some money, just because they delivered the goods, and fast at that. But it's funny that you are moving from phishing to what https was made for: secure transactions. |
opinion that it is both to protect by encrypting confidential information
and against phishing.
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"Luigi Donatello Asero" <jaggillarfotboll (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote: "Luigi Donatello Asero" <jaggillarfotboll (AT) telia (DOT) com> skrev i meddelandet news:C_Xtf.153248$dP1.511220 (AT) newsc (DOT) telia.net... "John Bokma" <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> skrev i meddelandet ... Some actual phising sites from the past (reported to Paypal): http:// www . losases . com . uy /ssl/pp/ http:// unclejim sw ormfarm.com/secured/ssl/p rocessing/sslusingid- 3957dfceritificate-true-httppaypalsecuredserver/http.paypal.com Do you mean that Equifax Secure global e-Business CA-1 certified them or other phishing sites and if so which ones? I mean that those were used in phishing attacks. If a visitor does enter his paypal info when the address in the address bar states unclejimswormfarm, without thinking twice, how do you think a pad lock and yellow background of the address bar is going to help? |
If Equifax Secure global e-Business CA-1
was not involved it does not say much at all, in my opinion.
At least you should quote examples of CA-1
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"Luigi Donatello Asero" <jaggillarfotboll (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote: There are people using free hosts as well... Like I said in my other reply, some people make money with extremely badly designed websites, just because they deliver the goods. |
I can understand that. Webdesign should not be so important.
But I meant something else.
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b) more people begin talking a lot about these sites and wonder why they have total https.... You're the first person I hear stating this. do not tell me now that you only did it with me... Yes. Fine. In this case would you mind explaining why? Because you're the first person that tells me that https is going to reduce phishing attacks. |
No good explanation. This thing has been debated in for example alt.html I
guess, and I am under the impression that it had not been debated if it had
not been I who had had a https site but someone else.
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c) https sites probably undergo a wider control, probably doesn't do it for me. What do you mean? That "probably" doesn't mean a thing. They either undergo a wider control or not. |
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Phishing works because people think they are on the real site. I have checked out quite some of those sites, and most I have seen are clearly phishing sites because the URL in the address bar says. Yet a huge number of people don't check that simple fact. Do you really think they are going to click on a padlock, then find out who Equifax is, etc? I have never heard of Equifax. Who tells me I can trust it? Do you think that you can trust it or not? At the moment: I have no idea. |
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Who tells me that I can trust paypal? It works for me, still. Like with all shops, they either deliver to *you* or they don't. For every shop with good stories, you can find bad stories. It's the ratio of those two that tells the real story. And even if it's good today, it can change tomorrow. |
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 22:57:16 +0100, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com wrote: Funny, I have bought books, hardware, complete computers, software over the Internet (for example, this year I bought the Blender manual and Last year, John, last year |
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"John Bokma" <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> skrev i meddelandet |
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It says that today most people do not buy on internet but on traditional shops for some reasons. Maybe because going to a supermarket works a bit better then clicking on a site, and paying quite some extra money to have it delivered? Prices on the internet are cheaper in some cases. On the internet there are both wares and services, not only wares.. |
is what you buy, the service is the home delivery.
Anyway:
"ZDNet is reporting on another blockbuster year for online shopping.
Online shopping was up almost 30 percent over last year." From the
article: " Clothing was the top seller in terms of dollar amount, at
$5.3 billion total, up 42 percent from last year's revenue, the report
said. Computer hardware and peripherals showed the most growth, 126
percent, at $4.8 billion. Consumer electronics was the second fastest
growing category, garnering $4.8 billion, up 109 percent. People spent
$3 billion on books online, up 66 percent, and $2.3 billion on products
in the toys/video games category of hardware and software, a drop of 9
percent from last year, the study found. "
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0...21&from=usenet
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One of these reasons is that they do not trust Internet because they know little about it. Funny, I have bought books, hardware, complete computers, software over the Internet (for example, this year I bought the Blender manual and Xara Xtreme). |
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I bought all my sites / domains over the Internet. Did you get your website and certificates in a shop? I mostly buy in shops, |
delivery, and also I like to get out of the house now and then.
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for example I usually buy even softwares on shops if they are available. |
some in shops. One program I bought in a shop, but all updates I bought
online.
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I buy from my webhost on the internet but they send me an invoice by post. In any case you are talking about electronic articles |
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which are the things which is easier to sell on the internet. |
know friends who did buy clothes on the Internet. I know people who
bought animals (pets: scorpions/tarantulas), plants (seeds), plane
tickets etc.
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But that sounds to be far from the full development of e-commerce. On the other hand we are going to have more and more control on the internet nowadays, so I guess that we shall need identify ourselves on the internet within a few years on NGs as well. |
Moreover, the more governements and companies are trying to get control
over the Internet, the harder people work to find ways around this. Look
at P2P networks, there are already networks that are extremely hard (or
even impossible) to find out who is sharing what. (On the other hand,
the biggest problem for RIAA and co is probably the media, like 30G
rewriteable media, 100G, or more)
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Yes, for some it's a reason: I don't trust it. Some people don't buy for that same reason in many normal shops, because they don't trust the people working there. That's why specialized shops still can make a living. And for the same reason people don't buy in "Joe's price attack" but go to such a specialized shop, they don't buy on the Internet either. Are you talking about quality of the services or are about money which is invested or about webdesign? |
and video equipment v.s. a supermarket. Quite a lot of people prefer to
go to the first one, because they expect people that know about what
they are selling. Those people go there for the personal touch.
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But it's funny that you are moving from phishing to what https was made for: secure transactions. You are insisting on that it is for secure transactions but I am of the opinion that it is both to protect by encrypting confidential information and against phishing. |
site for a phishing attack?
PayPal uses https for its transactions, yet many people have no problem
going to a site that according to the URL in the address bar doesn't
belong to PayPal, and enter their password...
It's like claiming that a holographic sticker on a CD is going to stop
software piracy.
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"Clothing was the top seller in terms of dollar amount" (see above). I know friends who did buy clothes on the Internet. I know people who bought animals (pets: scorpions/tarantulas), plants (seeds), plane |
Best,
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