For Cat.

Borek <m.borkowski (AT) delete (DOT) chembuddy.these.com.parts> wrote:

On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:01:21 +0100, catherine yronwode
cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com> wrote:

a href=http://www.example.com/hank-marvins.html><b> Hank
Marvin's </a></b

Cat: this is one of the reasons your pages doesn't validate.
Close tags in the reverse order of opening:

a href=http://www.example.com/hank-marvins.html><b>Hank
Marvin's</b></a

Also, like I said, if you mark up text like that, it's a pain in the ass
for reading, especially with the bold (don't use HTML for visual
effects) added. I think that people using screen readers are also not
amused.

Finally:

<b>Burns Hank Marvin Signature </b>
This guitar was produced to celebrate the 40th anniversary of Hank
Mavins original instrument, the 1964 Burns Marvin . This electric guitar
has been authenticated by Hank Marvin himself as a true replica of Hanks
original 1964 Signature Model, it is available as a strictly limited
edition only.<br><br>


Much better:

<h1>Burns Hank Marvin Signature</h1>
<p>
The Burns Hank Marvin guitar ....
</p>


Don't use <br><br>, what you want is a paragraph, hence use the
paragraph element.

Don't use b, you want a pragraph heading, so use a heading element.

Also, as a good friend explained to me: never assume that someone reads
the heading in the paragraph below, so don't use "This guitar", but
mention the guitar.

I would end the Hank Marvin part with something like:

<h2>Hank Marvin related</h2>
<ul>
<li>....</li>
</ul>

and link to Hank Marvin related stuff, preferable on-site, but a few
external links don't harm. etc.

Be sparingly with links in paragraphs, people read from anchor to anchor
(in this case link to link). The more an anchor stands out, the stronger
this effect. Unless you don't care about if they read it or not.

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Borek wrote:

On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:01:21 +0100, catherine yronwode <cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com
wrote:

a href=http://www.example.com/hank-marvins.html><b> Hank
Marvin's </a></b

Cat: this is one of the reasons your pages doesn't validate.
Close tags in the reverse order of opening:

a href=http://www.example.com/hank-marvins.html><b>Hank
Marvin's</b></a

Thanks -- i know that, and do it right most of the time -- i was just
typing too fast.

cat

John Bokma wrote:

catherine yronwode <cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com> wrote:

a href=http://www.example.com/hank-marvins.html><b>Hank
Marvin's</b></a

Also, like I said, if you mark up text like that, it's a pain in the ass
for reading, especially with the bold (don't use HTML for visual
effects) added. I think that people using screen readers are also not
amused.

Wikipedias (no matter what you think of their fact checking) also use
this technique and they rank high in both reader poprularity and google
ratings.

My 15,000 unique vistors per day also tell me that you are wrong about
what people want to read. I get mail and phone calls almost every day
from people who are grateful for the information and the way it
interlinks.

You may have a problem with this form of textual presentation, but most
people i know enjoy it greatly.

Be sparingly with links in paragraphs, people read from anchor to anchor
(in this case link to link). The more an anchor stands out, the stronger
this effect. Unless you don't care about if they read it or not.

Again, i think this is your personal opinion and is not borne out by any
kind of research. My almost ten years of experience with web site
design, both as a writer and a reader, indicates that the number of
links per paragragh is of no concern as long as each link leads to a
substantial hub page that will reward clicking.

Cordially,

cat yronwode
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"Stacey" <Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

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James Helliwell <james (AT) firespin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

snip


Hows this

b>Burns Hank Marvin Signature </b

signed guitar?

Signed guitar "Burns Marvin"

snip

What ever happed to the word autographed?

I have no idea: signed is just easier, so I guess more people use it. The
fun thing is: signed guitar and autographed guitar have a very close
number of results (quoted as well).

I might use one in the <title>, and the other in a <h1

No idea if signature is a good word, I do see "Signature Guitar", but that
probably has a very different meaning.

Actually, I would try and get all 3 on a page. Yeah, I looked up signed and
autographed also. It is pretty close to the same. At least the 1st 2 like
you said, and mention signature guitar on the page.:-) And anchor links for
all 3.

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Stacey wrote:

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James Helliwell <james (AT) firespin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:


snip

Hows this

b>Burns Hank Marvin Signature </b

signed guitar?

Signed guitar "Burns Marvin"


snip

What ever happed to the word autographed? Autographed Guitar Signed by Burns
Marvin. Of course a nice heading might be 1964 Autographed Replica, 40th
Anniversary Burns Marvin Guitar for another one. Anyway, if someone is
looking for something signed I am pretty sure that most would be looking for
an autographed one. :-)

Stacey

Its the Guitars offical name. Burns company London chose it.. Good idea
about someone searching for a autographed guitar!..

My heading is

Burns Hank Marvin Signature 40th Anniversary

looking a overture tool now about autographed guitars!

Cheers

James

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catherine yronwode <cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com> wrote:

John Bokma wrote:

catherine yronwode <cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com> wrote:

a href=http://www.example.com/hank-marvins.html><b>Hank
Marvin's</b></a

Also, like I said, if you mark up text like that, it's a pain in the
ass for reading, especially with the bold (don't use HTML for visual
effects) added. I think that people using screen readers are also not
amused.

Wikipedias (no matter what you think of their fact checking) also use
this technique and they rank high in both reader poprularity and
google ratings.

I often scan a wikipedia artikel for a fact, instead of reading it.

My 15,000 unique vistors per day also tell me that you are wrong about
what people want to read.

Does it? The number of visitors says nothing about how good a read
something is, of course.

I get mail and phone calls almost every day
from people who are grateful for the information and the way it
interlinks.

You may have a problem with this form of textual presentation, but
most people i know enjoy it greatly.

Based on a number and phone calls?

Be sparingly with links in paragraphs, people read from anchor to
anchor (in this case link to link). The more an anchor stands out,
the stronger this effect. Unless you don't care about if they read it
or not.

Again, i think this is your personal opinion and is not borne out by
any kind of research.

This has been researched over and over again. Another thing that has
been researched over and over again is that fully justified text reads
harder. Yet you see that a lot of books for reading are fully justified.
So common use doesn't mean the technique is better.

My almost ten years of experience with web site
design, both as a writer and a reader, indicates that the number of
links per paragragh is of no concern as long as each link leads to a
substantial hub page that will reward clicking.

Funny that in all your experience (or "experience") you haven't noticed
that your eyes jump from visual clue to visual clue, especially if they
are strong. Like I said, it's good for scan reading, and quick
information finding. It's shit if you want to read a page entirely
without getting distracted.

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catherine yronwode <cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com> wrote:

My 15,000 unique vistors per day also tell me that you are wrong about
what people want to read.

Is that for the 55,500 luckymojo site? I have only 807 pages, and close to
8,000 unique visitors a day.

I win :-D

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John Bokma wrote:

catherine yronwode <cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com> wrote:

My 15,000 unique vistors per day also tell me that you are wrong about
what people want to read.

Is that for the 55,500 luckymojo site? I have only 807 pages, and close
to 8,000 unique visitors a day.

I win :-D

55,500???? You are off by a factor of ten. There are only beween 5 and 6
thousand pages at the luckymojo.com site. I just went to google and i
see a 55,600 figure -- but it is not correct. I think google is
following some symbolic links and thus double or triple counting pages.

We use symbolic links on our most popular "esoteric archive" pages (a
portion of the site that is organized in directly format) to make giving
the URL info over the telephone easier. For instance,

http://www.luckymojo.com/esoteric/oc...ic/spells.html

is also findable as

http://www.luckymojo.com/spells

Google goes wrong when indexing the symbolic links in the eoteric
archive portion of the site, which is where 90% of the symbolic links are:

site:luckymojo.com
55,600 (actually 5,560)

site:luckymojo.com/esoteric
43,400 (actually 4,340)

site:luckymojo.com/esoteric/occultism
13,700 (actually 1,370)

site:luckymojo.com/esoteric/occultism/magic
805 (the actual number)

site:luckymojo.com/esoteric/occultism/magic/folk
148 (the actual number)

http://www.luckymojo.com/esoteric/oc...lk/hoodoo.html
shows 26 pages in that folder.

-- and when we index the site with atomz.com, they tell us there are
about 5,500 pages.

Well, there's nothing that can be done about it -- because the symbolic
links are important to us, so they will remain -- but it is a shame that
google can't read the symlink file and "do the math."

cat yronwode

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John Bokma wrote:

catherine yronwode <cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com> wrote:

My 15,000 unique vistors per day also tell me that you are wrong about
what people want to read.

Is that for the 55,500 luckymojo site? I have only 807 pages, and close
to 8,000 unique visitors a day.

I win :-D

55,500???? You are off by a factor of ten. There are only beween 5 and 6
thousand pages at the luckymojo.com site. I just went to google and i
see a 55,600 figure -- but it is not correct. I think google is
following some symbolic links and thus double or triple counting pages.

Do you redirect the simbolic links to the "real" links?


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catherine yronwode <cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com> wrote:

John Bokma wrote:

catherine yronwode <cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com> wrote:

My 15,000 unique vistors per day also tell me that you are wrong
about what people want to read.

Is that for the 55,500 luckymojo site? I have only 807 pages, and
close to 8,000 unique visitors a day.

I win :-D

55,500???? You are off by a factor of ten.

Nope. But even if I am, I do over 50% of your visitors with a fraction
of your pages ;-)

We use symbolic links on our most popular "esoteric archive" pages (a
portion of the site that is organized in directly format) to make
giving the URL info over the telephone easier. For instance,

http://www.luckymojo.com/esoteric/oc...ic/spells.html

is also findable as

http://www.luckymojo.com/spells

Google goes wrong

Bzzt, wrong: your site set up goes wrong. What you could, and probably
should do is to block Google out of the "phone URLs".

Well, there's nothing that can be done about it -- because the
symbolic links are important to us, so they will remain -- but it is a
shame that google can't read the symlink file and "do the math."

A symbolic link is something on your web site, it's a file system
thingy. If you offer Google 10 alternative URLs, then Google will index
11 URLs. Moreover, it will probably consider it duplicate content here
and there, and punish you.

How can Google find out how you organise your file system? There is no
"This resource is a symbolic link" in the HTT protocol (which is a good
thing, a visitor doesn't need this info in the first place).

Moreover, from Google, and your visitor's point of view it doesn't
matter if a resource comes from a file system, a database, or the
tapdancing of a duck on a tin filled with burning coals.

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