Can someone explain this??

I own ring-tones.us and am high enough for my terms 'free ringtones' and
related which is pretty competitive. i then setup free-nokia-wallpapers.com
with the 'free nokia wallpapers' serp to aim at. i couldnt get anywhere in
google with all my back links, anhcor text, domain name and title all
pointing to this serp. i'm no 2 in yahoo. i linked to the new site from
ring-tones.us with the text 'free nokia wallpapers' on every page. still
nothing/

then i setup www.ring-tones.us/free-nokia-wallpapers.htm and set up a link
to that on every page in ring-tones.us with the anchor text. straight away,
its positon 58, and i say i can get it to number 1.

So why did this happen?? Google sandbox?? Too many links from ring-tones.us
I ask this as I want to setup another new site and want to know the best way
to get it to page 1 quickly (obviously) without it being sandboxed? Would
buying links help? Ive a good bit of money to throw at this new site.

Thanks

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Free Nokia Ringtones US
http://www.ring-tones.us
**********************************

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:17:07 GMT, "Georgie Casey"
<celticfcPANTS (AT) iol (DOT) ie> wrote:

I own ring-tones.us and am high enough for my terms 'free ringtones' and
related which is pretty competitive. i then setup free-nokia-wallpapers.com
with the 'free nokia wallpapers' serp to aim at. i couldnt get anywhere in
google with all my back links, anhcor text, domain name and title all
pointing to this serp. i'm no 2 in yahoo. i linked to the new site from
ring-tones.us with the text 'free nokia wallpapers' on every page. still
nothing/

Gulp! Linked from 32,600 pages! This looks like a clear case of
triggering the Sandbox I've been arguing with Dave about in a previous
thread.

then i setup www.ring-tones.us/free-nokia-wallpapers.htm and set up a link
to that on every page in ring-tones.us with the anchor text. straight away,
its positon 58, and i say i can get it to number 1.

Linking within the same domain name doesn't seem to trigger the
Sandbox. It's a perfectly natural thing to link to your home page from
every other. But this many of them doesn't seem to do any extra good
so I'd get rid of all but a handful.

So why did this happen?? Google sandbox?? Too many links from ring-tones.us
I ask this as I want to setup another new site and want to know the best way
to get it to page 1 quickly (obviously) without it being sandboxed? Would
buying links help? Ive a good bit of money to throw at this new site.

Yes, you need single anchor links on multiple independent sites. But
some people here seem to be experts at getting these for free.

-Stoma

Wow, so it definately was the sandbox. How do I get
'free-nokia-wallpapers.com' *out* of the sandbox?

Any URLs explaining sanboxes a bit more.

Thanks
"stoma" <stoma (AT) bee-tee-internet (DOT) com> wrote

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:17:07 GMT, "Georgie Casey"
celticfcPANTS (AT) iol (DOT) ie> wrote:

I own ring-tones.us and am high enough for my terms 'free ringtones' and
related which is pretty competitive. i then setup
free-nokia-wallpapers.com
with the 'free nokia wallpapers' serp to aim at. i couldnt get anywhere
in
google with all my back links, anhcor text, domain name and title all
pointing to this serp. i'm no 2 in yahoo. i linked to the new site from
ring-tones.us with the text 'free nokia wallpapers' on every page. still
nothing/

Gulp! Linked from 32,600 pages! This looks like a clear case of
triggering the Sandbox I've been arguing with Dave about in a previous
thread.

then i setup www.ring-tones.us/free-nokia-wallpapers.htm and set up a
link
to that on every page in ring-tones.us with the anchor text. straight
away,
its positon 58, and i say i can get it to number 1.

Linking within the same domain name doesn't seem to trigger the
Sandbox. It's a perfectly natural thing to link to your home page from
every other. But this many of them doesn't seem to do any extra good
so I'd get rid of all but a handful.

So why did this happen?? Google sandbox?? Too many links from
ring-tones.us
I ask this as I want to setup another new site and want to know the best
way
to get it to page 1 quickly (obviously) without it being sandboxed? Would
buying links help? Ive a good bit of money to throw at this new site.

Yes, you need single anchor links on multiple independent sites. But
some people here seem to be experts at getting these for free.

-Stoma

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:08:30 GMT, "Georgie Casey"
<celticfcPANTS (AT) iol (DOT) ie> wrote:

Wow, so it definately was the sandbox. How do I get
'free-nokia-wallpapers.com' *out* of the sandbox?

The only way seems to be to delete those links and wait for them to be
updated in Google. Could take months. But if you're number 2 in Yahoo,
do you really want to risk changing anything? Changes made for Google
may hurt you in Yahoo, and still only get you to the second page.

Any URLs explaining sanboxes a bit more.

Nope, as I seem to be the only one who believes in the Sandbox, at
least in the strong form that seems to be affecting you. But I'm
finding new evidence for it, and maybe we can move our understanding
forward soon.

-Stoma

Thanks
"stoma" <stoma (AT) bee-tee-internet (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:6rgrh0pfi8fk2r8651uc8ufi1oukgrrg03 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:17:07 GMT, "Georgie Casey"
celticfcPANTS (AT) iol (DOT) ie> wrote:

I own ring-tones.us and am high enough for my terms 'free ringtones' and
related which is pretty competitive. i then setup
free-nokia-wallpapers.com
with the 'free nokia wallpapers' serp to aim at. i couldnt get anywhere
in
google with all my back links, anhcor text, domain name and title all
pointing to this serp. i'm no 2 in yahoo. i linked to the new site from
ring-tones.us with the text 'free nokia wallpapers' on every page. still
nothing/

Gulp! Linked from 32,600 pages! This looks like a clear case of
triggering the Sandbox I've been arguing with Dave about in a previous
thread.

then i setup www.ring-tones.us/free-nokia-wallpapers.htm and set up a
link
to that on every page in ring-tones.us with the anchor text. straight
away,
its positon 58, and i say i can get it to number 1.

Linking within the same domain name doesn't seem to trigger the
Sandbox. It's a perfectly natural thing to link to your home page from
every other. But this many of them doesn't seem to do any extra good
so I'd get rid of all but a handful.

So why did this happen?? Google sandbox?? Too many links from
ring-tones.us
I ask this as I want to setup another new site and want to know the best
way
to get it to page 1 quickly (obviously) without it being sandboxed? Would
buying links help? Ive a good bit of money to throw at this new site.

Yes, you need single anchor links on multiple independent sites. But
some people here seem to be experts at getting these for free.

-Stoma

"stoma" <stoma (AT) bee-tee-internet (DOT) com> wrote

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:08:30 GMT, "Georgie Casey"
celticfcPANTS (AT) iol (DOT) ie> wrote:

Wow, so it definately was the sandbox. How do I get
'free-nokia-wallpapers.com' *out* of the sandbox?

The only way seems to be to delete those links and wait for them to be
updated in Google. Could take months. But if you're number 2 in Yahoo,
do you really want to risk changing anything? Changes made for Google
may hurt you in Yahoo, and still only get you to the second page.

Any URLs explaining sanboxes a bit more.

Nope, as I seem to be the only one who believes in the Sandbox, at
least in the strong form that seems to be affecting you. But I'm
finding new evidence for it, and maybe we can move our understanding
forward soon.

-Stoma


Thanks
"stoma" <stoma (AT) bee-tee-internet (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:6rgrh0pfi8fk2r8651uc8ufi1oukgrrg03 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:17:07 GMT, "Georgie Casey"
celticfcPANTS (AT) iol (DOT) ie> wrote:

I own ring-tones.us and am high enough for my terms 'free ringtones'
and
related which is pretty competitive. i then setup
free-nokia-wallpapers.com
with the 'free nokia wallpapers' serp to aim at. i couldnt get
anywhere
in
google with all my back links, anhcor text, domain name and title all
pointing to this serp. i'm no 2 in yahoo. i linked to the new site
from
ring-tones.us with the text 'free nokia wallpapers' on every page.
still
nothing/

Gulp! Linked from 32,600 pages! This looks like a clear case of
triggering the Sandbox I've been arguing with Dave about in a previous
thread.

then i setup www.ring-tones.us/free-nokia-wallpapers.htm and set up a
link
to that on every page in ring-tones.us with the anchor text. straight
away,
its positon 58, and i say i can get it to number 1.

Linking within the same domain name doesn't seem to trigger the
Sandbox. It's a perfectly natural thing to link to your home page from
every other. But this many of them doesn't seem to do any extra good
so I'd get rid of all but a handful.

So why did this happen?? Google sandbox?? Too many links from
ring-tones.us
I ask this as I want to setup another new site and want to know the
best
way
to get it to page 1 quickly (obviously) without it being sandboxed?
Would
buying links help? Ive a good bit of money to throw at this new site.

Yes, you need single anchor links on multiple independent sites. But
some people here seem to be experts at getting these for free.

-Stoma

You are starting to sound an awfull lot like Sam...Stoma...especially the
whole "link paranoia"" thing :-)

Actually, long B4 you came on the scene, we were discussing the sandbox
effect.
It has little to do with links and more to do with how long your site has
been indexed by Google.

Here is as good a definition as I have seen:

The sandbox effect (a term coined by Barry Schwarz of SEORoundTable) is
where websites which are newly listed and over 2 months old rank well for
the first two to three weeks then drop out of the top 1000 search results.
Regardless of their PagerankT and no matter how uncompetitive the term
searched for and how well-optimized the page is, this phenominon appears to
only occur with websites which are indexed after the Florida update (this
has happened since December, 2003), which is their only similarity--it
happens to all sorts of websites with any extension readable by Google.

Sandboxed site owners can find their site by searching in Google with
"ordinary
keyword(s) -dfsdgsdsd -sdfgsdgsdfg -sdfgsdgsdg -sdfgsdfgsdfg -dsfgsdgsdg -sd
fgsdfgsdfg -sdgsdfgdsfg" (minus the quotes).



Here are links to posts that can intellligently explain it..

http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/000368.html

http://www.seochat.com/c/a/Google/Th...ace-to-Play/1/




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http://www.AICompany.com - SEO, Web Development and Hosting
http://www.SEO-highrankings.com -FREE SEO TOOLS

"Georgie Casey" <celticfcPANTS (AT) iol (DOT) ie> wrote

I own ring-tones.us and am high enough for my terms 'free ringtones' and
related which is pretty competitive. i then setup
free-nokia-wallpapers.com
with the 'free nokia wallpapers' serp to aim at. i couldnt get anywhere in
google with all my back links, anhcor text, domain name and title all
pointing to this serp. i'm no 2 in yahoo. i linked to the new site from
ring-tones.us with the text 'free nokia wallpapers' on every page. still
nothing/

then i setup www.ring-tones.us/free-nokia-wallpapers.htm and set up a link
to that on every page in ring-tones.us with the anchor text. straight
away,
its positon 58, and i say i can get it to number 1.

So why did this happen?? Google sandbox?? Too many links from
ring-tones.us
I ask this as I want to setup another new site and want to know the best
way
to get it to page 1 quickly (obviously) without it being sandboxed? Would
buying links help? Ive a good bit of money to throw at this new site.

Thanks

--
**********************************
Free Nokia Ringtones US
http://www.ring-tones.us
**********************************

Hi Georgie,

The sandbox effect affects sites that have been implemented SINCE the Google
Florida update.

Often times, you will see action pretty quick and then your site will drop
out of the top 100 for a month or two.
Speculation is that Google is "testing" us SEO'ers to see if we are serious
about our sites.
If this is true, Google is committing an egregious error in prohibiting real
business owners from enjoying the fruits of their labors for those months.

If your site is ranking well in Yahoo, MSN, AOL, AllTheWeb and AltaVista but
not Google, you are probably spot on content-wise and just lacking in time
or IBL's for Google.

We have had over 45 sites go through the "SandBox" effect since Florida and
all have come out fine after around three to four months...we hate it but it
appears to be part of doing business at the moment.

INTERESTINGLY, we have seen a bunch of movement in all other engines except
Google over the past two days...excellent rankings for sites we have been
working on for over three months, smaller growth for sites with less time.

Google doesn't seem to have updated their PR or SERPS but we did see them
count about 60% of the IBL's we have added to sites in the past month or
two.

If I were a betting man, I would bet that Google will update their PR and
SERPS Sunday night. They have done so in over 60% of their updates since
Florida.


James
http://www.AICompany.com - SEO, Web Development and Hosting
http://www.SEO-highrankings.com -FREE SEO TOOLS

"www.seo-highrankings.com" <james.taylor (AT) aicNOomSPpaAMny (DOT) com> wrote in
message news:10ht2pq3480eoce (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com...

If I were a betting man, I would bet that Google will update their PR and
SERPS Sunday night. They have done so in over 60% of their updates since
Florida.

I am already seeing changes in my SERPs with Google. Yahoo and other Inktomi

based SE's seem to have gone through a big update in the past couple of
days.

Stacey

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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:46:15 +0000 (UTC), stoma
<stoma (AT) bee-tee-internet (DOT) com> wrote:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:08:30 GMT, "Georgie Casey"
celticfcPANTS (AT) iol (DOT) ie> wrote:

Wow, so it definately was the sandbox. How do I get
'free-nokia-wallpapers.com' *out* of the sandbox?

The only way seems to be to delete those links and wait for them to be
updated in Google. Could take months. But if you're number 2 in Yahoo,
do you really want to risk changing anything? Changes made for Google
may hurt you in Yahoo, and still only get you to the second page.

Don't think so. Not if they are in the form of additional incoming
links.

BB

Any URLs explaining sanboxes a bit more.

Nope, as I seem to be the only one who believes in the Sandbox, at
least in the strong form that seems to be affecting you. But I'm
finding new evidence for it, and maybe we can move our understanding
forward soon.

-Stoma


Thanks
"stoma" <stoma (AT) bee-tee-internet (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:6rgrh0pfi8fk2r8651uc8ufi1oukgrrg03 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:17:07 GMT, "Georgie Casey"
celticfcPANTS (AT) iol (DOT) ie> wrote:

I own ring-tones.us and am high enough for my terms 'free ringtones' and
related which is pretty competitive. i then setup
free-nokia-wallpapers.com
with the 'free nokia wallpapers' serp to aim at. i couldnt get anywhere
in
google with all my back links, anhcor text, domain name and title all
pointing to this serp. i'm no 2 in yahoo. i linked to the new site from
ring-tones.us with the text 'free nokia wallpapers' on every page. still
nothing/

Gulp! Linked from 32,600 pages! This looks like a clear case of
triggering the Sandbox I've been arguing with Dave about in a previous
thread.

then i setup www.ring-tones.us/free-nokia-wallpapers.htm and set up a
link
to that on every page in ring-tones.us with the anchor text. straight
away,
its positon 58, and i say i can get it to number 1.

Linking within the same domain name doesn't seem to trigger the
Sandbox. It's a perfectly natural thing to link to your home page from
every other. But this many of them doesn't seem to do any extra good
so I'd get rid of all but a handful.

So why did this happen?? Google sandbox?? Too many links from
ring-tones.us
I ask this as I want to setup another new site and want to know the best
way
to get it to page 1 quickly (obviously) without it being sandboxed? Would
buying links help? Ive a good bit of money to throw at this new site.

Yes, you need single anchor links on multiple independent sites. But
some people here seem to be experts at getting these for free.

-Stoma

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:57:58 -0700, "www.seo-highrankings.com"
<james.taylor (AT) aicNOomSPpaAMny (DOT) com> wrote:

You are starting to sound an awfull lot like Sam...Stoma...especially the
whole "link paranoia"" thing :-)

Actually, long B4 you came on the scene, we were discussing the sandbox
effect.
It has little to do with links and more to do with how long your site has
been indexed by Google.

Thanks for your somewhat condescending concern James but I prefer to
use the evidence of my own eyes rather than rely on reading some
article or other you've Googled for.

Here's another site that's Sandboxed: www.kapuni.com . Well
established in Google with many backlinks indexed including a few that
say "kapuni" and many site-wides saying "discount hotels".

Google for "kapuni" - number #1, but no surprise there.

Google for "kapuni discount hotels" - number #12, behind a bunch of
random low-grade directory entries and forum posts. Proof of a truly
brutal penalty.

I'd love to hear your analysis of exactly why each of those sites
places where it does, and how the Sandbox is a figment of my
imagination, and how site-wides can only help you and never strike you
dead like they did kapuni.com

-Stoma

Here is as good a definition as I have seen:

"stoma" <stoma (AT) bee-tee-internet (DOT) com> wrote

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:57:58 -0700, "www.seo-highrankings.com"
james.taylor (AT) aicNOomSPpaAMny (DOT) com> wrote:

You are starting to sound an awfull lot like Sam...Stoma...especially the
whole "link paranoia"" thing :-)

Actually, long B4 you came on the scene, we were discussing the sandbox
effect.
It has little to do with links and more to do with how long your site has
been indexed by Google.

Thanks for your somewhat condescending concern James but I prefer to
use the evidence of my own eyes rather than rely on reading some
article or other you've Googled for.

Do what you want, but most of these authors have soem credibility over a
period of time.

Here's another site that's Sandboxed: www.kapuni.com . Well
established in Google with many backlinks indexed including a few that
say "kapuni" and many site-wides saying "discount hotels".

Google for "kapuni" - number #1, but no surprise there.

Google for "kapuni discount hotels" - number #12, behind a bunch of
random low-grade directory entries and forum posts. Proof of a truly
brutal penalty.

#1 site is a LV link exchange....hmmm.who lives in LV? Your site is listed
at the bottom of the page....not optimized for the phrase "kapuni discount
hotels" btw.

Second, when we look at the IBL's, I don't see that phrase in any of your
IBL's. Ou of curiosity, why would you expect to rank well fo rthat phrase
in Google?

I'd love to hear your analysis of exactly why each of those sites
places where it does, and how the Sandbox is a figment of my
imagination, and how site-wides can only help you and never strike you
dead like they did kapuni.com

I never said sandboxing is a figment, just that your reasoning of WHY it
occurs is false.

This looks like poor optimization, not a ban of any sort.

-Stoma

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http://www.AICompany.com - SEO, Web Development and Hosting
http://www.SEO-highrankings.com -FREE SEO TOOLS