Can anyone recommend a good UK SEO guy?

Looking to promote my site. Any ideas who is best perhaps a link to there
website please.

"Larry Law" <xpl (AT) fruits (DOT) com> wrote

Looking to promote my site. Any ideas who is best perhaps a link to there
website please.

it all depends what youre after if you want seo that generates loads of
traffic then you more than often have to sacrifice 'ethical practices' and
the possibility of being banned - otherwise employ an ethical seo that will
maybe not deliver as good a result.

mark

mark | r wrote:

"Larry Law" <xpl (AT) fruits (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Looking to promote my site. Any ideas who is best perhaps a link to
there website please.

it all depends what youre after if you want seo that generates loads
of traffic then you more than often have to sacrifice 'ethical
practices' and the possibility of being banned - otherwise employ an
ethical seo that will maybe not deliver as good a result.

mark

Tell us what your site is and we can consider it. Best regards, Eric.

"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:04:52 GMT, SEO Dave
seo-daveSP (AT) AMsearch-engine-opti...es (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

snip

Lets say I was interested in the keyword Viagra (which I'm not, I
flattly deny I've been searching for a source all day :-)).

You can have mine - I'm up to here with it!

BB

LOL Bill! I almost missed it though. I was skimming to fast and had to back
up!

Stacey

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:17:00 -0400, "Stacey"
<stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:ejqbj0tvvooap8d4c8lmqjblnso5g9rhvf (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:04:52 GMT, SEO Dave
seo-daveSP (AT) AMsearch-engine-opti...es (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

snip


Lets say I was interested in the keyword Viagra (which I'm not, I
flattly deny I've been searching for a source all day :-)).

You can have mine - I'm up to here with it!

BB


LOL Bill! I almost missed it though. I was skimming to fast and had to back
up!

Stacey

You had to back up as you approached too fast!!

At least we all know why he's called Big Bill now.

LOL

David
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http://www.search-engine-optimization-services.co.uk/

David, I never understood the signficance of hidden text. In other
words, if I took your technique and made the text visible it would be
legal? I know it wouldn't look pretty, but I had a friend who did just
that. He took a bunch of keywords, drew a horizontal rule at the end
of his regular content and stuck all these keywords beyond the HR. He
swore it helped, but I really didn't buy into it. Still, it does make
me wornder.

Steve

On 1 Sep 2004 12:56:26 -0700, steveliza (AT) hotmail (DOT) com (steve) wrote:

David, I never understood the signficance of hidden text. In other
words, if I took your technique and made the text visible it would be
legal?

I suppose it depends what the text is. If it was lists of keywords
with no real value and Google did a manual review of the page it might
get penalised. But if it's not too bad, just a bit on the spammy side
I doubt it would result in a penalty.

I know it wouldn't look pretty, but I had a friend who did just
that. He took a bunch of keywords, drew a horizontal rule at the end
of his regular content and stuck all these keywords beyond the HR. He
swore it helped, but I really didn't buy into it. Still, it does make
me wornder.

It works, you can find plenty of examples that are explained by this
technique, but it really only works with easy SERPs. Thing is these
SERPs are so easy a single page with a single link to it and average
optimisation can take them anyway so why take such risks. Also it's
not that difficult with practice and experience to incorporate most
keywords into the content or somewhere in the code that counts without
ruining the content. The benefit of this is you tend only to include
relevant keywords, whilst with the example I posted you add a lot of
irrelevant ones.

The difference is those that use hidden text/big lists of keywords
don't have the skills required to do safe SEO. Also I look at it this
way, If I look at a page and say it doesn't deserve a particular SERP
for whatever reason I'm sure a Google employee who does manual reviews
will use similar criteria. The risks are small if done correctly, but
why take a risk you don't have to.

Steve

David
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http://www.search-engine-optimization-services.co.uk/

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:40:14 +0100, "Dan"
<daniel.pickardNO (AT) SPAMfast-trak (DOT) netPlease> wrote:

I would be interested to see how long it takes to get banned using the
techniques you mentioned. There is no way I would use these techniques on
any site that I valued but if I did this on a test domain, would the domain
get banned or the IP? Never messed around with banning and search engines
before.

I've not used hidden text or any other on page techniques that are
shady, but did use link spamming when I believed (like most) what you
did off site couldn't get your site banned (it was at the beginning of
my SEO experimentation).

There is no way to tell if your site will be one of the small number
that get hit with a penalty, but suspect the better you do more likely
you are to be penalised.

I did extremely well, within 9 months the site had gone from relying
on PPC to having over 5000 unique visitors a day and peaking at 7000
unique visitors a day at the time of the penalty. Had to buy a
dedicated server to cope with the traffic and it was no where near at
a stage where there was no traffic left to get from other phrases.

It wasn't all link spamming that made it successful since I uploaded a
mirror site that within 2 weeks was receiving over 1200 unique
visitors a day and within 6 weeks was at 2000+ a day (most from
Google). This mirror was right after the penalty (a replacement site)
and it's best links was just PR5 (from my NTL home page). So it's
success was on page mostly. It was also banned most likely because it
was a mirror site. Made the mistake of not excluding Google from the
original site with a robots.txt file.

Though with that sort of speed I could of kept uploading a new site
ever 2 months :-))

In my case the IP wasn't banned as I've used the IP for other things
with no problems. Though I wasn't a big link spammer, only did it for
one site and then not way over the top like a lot do (when you see a
list of 50 URLs on one post).

This was my main site for PR at the time and having it penalised wiped
me out for months. The site is still penalised, but Google is playing
silly buggers with it with one month showing backlinks and a little PR
then nothing. Still gets over 1000 unique visitors a day from other
engines, so still a going concern. I've added a few hundred links so
if Google ever remove the ban I'll know.

My advice would be to stay away from shady techniques unless you can
afford to loose the domain. It might also get your stuff looked at
more closely in the future by google if you have a penalised site. The
speed at which the mirror site was banned suggests they checked on
what I was doing for at least a few months (you can have mirror sites
up for 6 months without problems).

David
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http://www.search-engine-optimization-services.co.uk/

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 02:47:13 GMT, SEO Dave
<seo-daveSP (AT) AMsearch-engine-optimization-services (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

I've not used hidden text or any other on page techniques that are
shady, but did use link spamming when I believed (like most) what you
did off site couldn't get your site banned (it was at the beginning of
my SEO experimentation).

You fibber David. You used hidden Divs on the site in your sig. The
really funny thing about that was that they showed up over your menu
in Opera so weren't strictly speaking 'hidden' after all.

http://www.search-engine-optimization-services.co.uk/

Gone now, wish I'd saved a screenshot.

-stoma

"stoma" <stoma (AT) bee-tee-internet (DOT) com> wrote

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 02:47:13 GMT, SEO Dave
seo-daveSP (AT) AMsearch-engine-opti...es (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

I've not used hidden text or any other on page techniques that are
shady, but did use link spamming when I believed (like most) what you
did off site couldn't get your site banned (it was at the beginning of
my SEO experimentation).

You fibber David. You used hidden Divs on the site in your sig. The
really funny thing about that was that they showed up over your menu
in Opera so weren't strictly speaking 'hidden' after all.

Ok, how is hidden divisions bad? It isn't text, but dividing up a page into
sections. You can have them and not get penalized for it. I don't get what
you are trying to get at. I don't see that Dave has changed anything. He
still has the page divided off into sections.

Gone now, wish I'd saved a screenshot.

Well, it looks the same. I seen it months ago when it was new.

Stacey
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