Best way to get listed in misc. directories, boosting PR?

On 8 Sep 2006 20:06:36 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

Warned you about the assimilation process :-)

And Paul, join the club :-( No email for a whole day, so I contacted my
HP, and ... site was down next. No idea why, but no stats this morning
(will probably be back tomorrow). I hope it didn't take hours.

I am going to look around for VPS, I rather do the fcking up myself :-)

Ive had email. I can log into the shopping cart.
But no sites since around 05.00 GMT and still down.

plh
Paul

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On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 08:48:20 +0200, Borek
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Paul will be mixing us on the daily basis from now on

Best,
Borek (or John?)

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Paul <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 18:20:29 +0200, "Jezsta Web Productions"
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On 8 Sep 2006 15:30:50 GMT, Borek Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

We are the Borek
We are going to assimilate you
Resistance is futile

ROFL

Must needed laugh. Site has been down for 11 hours and so stressed.

Sorry, about that Paul. Maybe you should change hosting.

Borek Bokma - BB:-)

Stacey


Been looking around.
Toss up between Page-Zone.com / iPowerWeb or TheMooseIsLoose

I saw yesterday:

http://www.servage.net/?a=gus
1110 GB Transfer (!) 7,50/month. Sounds too good to be true IMO.

100G/ 15 USD month is what I see more often, but I go look around next
week or so. Advice is welcome (will post then in aww).


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On 8 Sep 2006 20:55:05 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

Paul <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 18:20:29 +0200, "Jezsta Web Productions"
Please-use-our-contact-form (AT) jezsta (DOT) com> wrote:


"Paul" <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On 8 Sep 2006 15:30:50 GMT, Borek Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

We are the Borek
We are going to assimilate you
Resistance is futile

ROFL

Must needed laugh. Site has been down for 11 hours and so stressed.

Sorry, about that Paul. Maybe you should change hosting.

Borek Bokma - BB:-)

Stacey


Been looking around.
Toss up between Page-Zone.com / iPowerWeb or TheMooseIsLoose

I saw yesterday:

http://www.servage.net/?a=gus
1110 GB Transfer (!) 7,50/month. Sounds too good to be true IMO.

They are just down the road from me at my USA address.
That close, we have the same zip code <G>

100G/ 15 USD month is what I see more often, but I go look around next
week or so. Advice is welcome (will post then in aww).

Thank you
plh
Paul

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On 7 Sep 2006 23:07:04 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

David <seodave (AT) search-engine-optimization-services (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On 7 Sep 2006 18:55:54 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

I am (re)considering selling links on my PR7 (probably strong PR7 (*))
page again, max 10 and preferable blogs or in a way related to my site.

Do you think PR transfer was prevented last time? Looked like it.

As far as I know, no.

Did you see any of the pages you linked to move in PR terms? I'd
expect to see at least high PR5 pages and realistically PR6 from a
site wide link.

But I prefer the links to be more related, and only
limited to the front page.

Site wides are a very bad idea.

In my experience lots of lower PR links from many sources work better
than a few (or one) high PR link for increasing rankings even when the
one link passes more PR (though not several times more) overall!

You'd be better off with adding affiliate stuff, it will rank quickly
and you'll have complete control over the content added.

I am looking further into that, I might email you next week (if the offer
still stands :-) ).

Yep, no problem :-)

(*) might be 8 next year, or at least I hope so, and I am working on it
:-)

Good luck with that!

I'm spreading my PR out, I'd rather have 8 PR5 sites (home pages) than
1 PR6 home page, can make more money that way.

My "problem" is that I probably get more ibls than I can spread out :-)

That's a nice problem to have :-)

(If such a thing exists, I still haven't read PR papers). Or: I am not
hoarding PR to get that 8. I guess it will just happen.

The PR you get is spread to wherever you link to, you can either
concentrate it on a small number of pages (useful if after really hard
SERPs) or spread it out over multiple sites or pages.

Lets say all your links go to the home page (no incoming links to
internal pages at all). This means all (ignoring intrinsic PR) your PR
for other pages of your site are derived from your home page through
your linking structure.

With an average PR7 page and working with a base of 8 and a dampening
factor of 0.85 you could link directly to about-

7 internal pages making them each an average PR6

50 odd internal pages making them each an average PR5

over 400 internal pages making them each an average PR4

BTW quick way of working this out here
http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/pagerank.html

The links don't have to be to internal pages, so your PR7 home page
(assuming it's an average PR7) could make 50 PR5 home pages or 400 odd
PR4 home pages.

So how you link determines how your PR is spread. It's a little more
complex in the real world since not all links will be to the home
page, but doesn't really matter as I'm sure you get the big picture.

Based on what I've been doing the last couple of years I'd rather have
a lot of PR5 pages than a handful of PR6+. You are stuck with your PR7
home page because you don't control the incoming links, but you can
determine to a degree the PR of internal pages and could make quite a
bit of money from your site without using a fraction of your link
benefit. Basically PR5 home page (or main page for a new section) can
be more than enough to do really well with a largish site.

David
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On 8 Sep 2006 20:55:05 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

I saw yesterday:

http://www.servage.net/?a=gus
1110 GB Transfer (!) 7,50/month. Sounds too good to be true IMO.

That does sound good for someone after hosting for a site or two.

100G/ 15 USD month is what I see more often, but I go look around next
week or so. Advice is welcome (will post then in aww).

I have 700GB, host ~200 sites, lots of traffic and have never come
close to using my allotted bandwidth. Admittedly my sites tend to be
low on images, but still I get a lot of traffic and will probably
never use 700GB a month.

They offer these amounts knowing this, odds are 90%+ of users will not
use even 50% of their bandwidth, so they can over sell with little
risk of a problem or put another way they can offer you something you
will never use. I use about 150 to 200GB of bandwidth a month, so have
500GB spare!

How much bandwidth does your site use John?

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On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:06:12 GMT, David
<seodave (AT) search-engine-optimization-services (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On 8 Sep 2006 20:55:05 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

[...]

I have 700GB, host ~200 sites, lots of traffic and have never come
close to using my allotted bandwidth. Admittedly my sites tend to be
low on images, but still I get a lot of traffic and will probably
never use 700GB a month.

Oh, I do.
Using 60+GB a month and increasing.

I have enough material to quadruple the size of the site. If I did
that, then I would easily use 200gb a month [conservative guess]

plh
Paul

They offer these amounts knowing this, odds are 90%+ of users will not
use even 50% of their bandwidth, so they can over sell with little
risk of a problem or put another way they can offer you something you
will never use. I use about 150 to 200GB of bandwidth a month, so have
500GB spare!

How much bandwidth does your site use John?

David

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David <seodave (AT) search-engine-optimization-services (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On 7 Sep 2006 23:07:04 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

David <seodave (AT) search-engine-optimization-services (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On 7 Sep 2006 18:55:54 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

I am (re)considering selling links on my PR7 (probably strong PR7
(*)) page again, max 10 and preferable blogs or in a way related to
my site.

Do you think PR transfer was prevented last time? Looked like it.

As far as I know, no.

Did you see any of the pages you linked to move in PR terms? I'd
expect to see at least high PR5 pages and realistically PR6 from a
site wide link.

IIRC, yes. PR5. I can't recall, because I didn't really check the sites
themselves. However one customer stayed with me for a year, so I guess
he was satisfied.

But I prefer the links to be more related, and only
limited to the front page.

Site wides are a very bad idea.

In my experience lots of lower PR links from many sources work better
than a few (or one) high PR link for increasing rankings even when the
one link passes more PR (though not several times more) overall!

Yes, I can imagine that. Otherwise I could link from each and every page
on my jb site to castle amber, and would give it a huge boost :-).
However, I doubt side wide links have a *negative* effect. And I am not
sure if site wide links have less effect then 1 link from the best page
of the site. I can imagine several situations that exactly do this.

I am looking further into that, I might email you next week (if the
offer still stands :-) ).

Yep, no problem :-)

Thanks :-)

My "problem" is that I probably get more ibls than I can spread out
:-)

That's a nice problem to have :-)

Yup, it's a guess, but when I look at my referers I see often new links
from good pages. There are also a lot of so so links (via message
boards), but I recall that there was a day I was happy with 1 new IBL in
a month :-)

With an average PR7 page and working with a base of 8 and a dampening
factor of 0.85 you could link directly to about-

7 internal pages making them each an average PR6

50 odd internal pages making them each an average PR5

over 400 internal pages making them each an average PR4

BTW quick way of working this out here
http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/pagerank.html

Thanks. Will read it.

The links don't have to be to internal pages, so your PR7 home page
(assuming it's an average PR7) could make 50 PR5 home pages or 400 odd
PR4 home pages.

So how you link determines how your PR is spread. It's a little more
complex in the real world since not all links will be to the home
page, but doesn't really matter as I'm sure you get the big picture.

Based on what I've been doing the last couple of years I'd rather have
a lot of PR5 pages than a handful of PR6+. You are stuck with your PR7
home page because you don't control the incoming links, but you can
determine to a degree the PR of internal pages and could make quite a
bit of money from your site without using a fraction of your link
benefit. Basically PR5 home page (or main page for a new section) can
be more than enough to do really well with a largish site.

Yes, I am aware that my linking could be done better, certainly from a
visitor's perspective. Currently I have a lot of pages to handle, and I
am going to look next week into something to make it easier. Also
because a lot of pages could be slightly rewritten and do much better in
Google. Sometimes one additional sentence, or adding a word here and
there can make a huge difference.

OTOH, I don't want to spend too much time at tweaking pages, because I
rather write new good content :-) But once in a while going over the old
pages can be very rewarding :-)

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David <seodave (AT) search-engine-optimization-services (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On 8 Sep 2006 20:55:05 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

I saw yesterday:

http://www.servage.net/?a=gus
1110 GB Transfer (!) 7,50/month. Sounds too good to be true IMO.

That does sound good for someone after hosting for a site or two.

100G/ 15 USD month is what I see more often, but I go look around next
week or so. Advice is welcome (will post then in aww).

I have 700GB, host ~200 sites, lots of traffic and have never come
close to using my allotted bandwidth. Admittedly my sites tend to be
low on images, but still I get a lot of traffic and will probably
never use 700GB a month.

They offer these amounts knowing this, odds are 90%+ of users will not
use even 50% of their bandwidth, so they can over sell with little
risk of a problem or put another way they can offer you something you
will never use. I use about 150 to 200GB of bandwidth a month, so have
500GB spare!

How much bandwidth does your site use John?

Currently it burns a CD a day :-) I expect to go to 1GB/day next year,
maybe more. So I need at least 60 G/month bandwidth, so 100 G/month sounds
more then enough to me for the coming year. I guess upgrading to the next
amount when I need it isn't a problem at all.

And yeah, using 1/3rd of your possible bandwidth sounds more then ok to
me. It also offers the challenge of finding ways to get closer to it :-)
Rather that then: OMG, one bit more and I have to pay 1 USD :-)

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