Best practices

I was banned from Google long ago. The good thing about this is that I
have stopped designing my website in order to achieve high volume of
free traffic from Google.

Instead I have focused on providing the best possible experience to the
user or prospect, regardless of whether this would penalize me on Google
(of course it didn't matter being penalized or not since I was
permanently banned anyway).

In order to drive customers to my site, I have focused on paid
advertising. I noticed that since I could choose which URL I wanted to
show to customers (through paid advertising), I was able to perform much
better targeting than with free traffic from Google.

In a nutshell, the Google ban (http://www.datashaping.com/google.shtml)
allowed me to create a website that is optimized with regard to customer
experience, as opposed to search engine robots. This has served me very
well.

--
Vincent Granville, Ph.D.
Data Shaping Solutoions, LLC
http://www.datashaping.com

Vincent Granville wrote in
<40948D4E.2C08642F (AT) pacbel (DOT) net>

I was banned from Google long ago. The good thing about this is that I
have stopped designing my website in order to achieve high volume of
free traffic from Google.

Instead I have focused on providing the best possible experience to
the user or prospect, regardless of whether this would penalize me on
Google (of course it didn't matter being penalized or not since I was
permanently banned anyway).

In order to drive customers to my site, I have focused on paid
advertising. I noticed that since I could choose which URL I wanted to
show to customers (through paid advertising), I was able to perform
much better targeting than with free traffic from Google.

In a nutshell, the Google ban
(http://www.datashaping.com/google.shtml) allowed me to create a
website that is optimized with regard to customer experience, as
opposed to search engine robots. This has served me very well.

Your having been "banned"from Google for reasons other than "spamming" -
recent arguments over this term acknowledged - gives the tale an individual
slant. However, I think that your take on optimisation is at variance with
what I would regard as good practice. <sweeping statement>I suspect that
most good SEO/developers </sweeping statement> try to create sites that are
designed for as good a customer experience as possible, optimised in such a
way as to make that good customer experience apparent to the search engines.

For me, the design/development of the site is about serving the visitor as
fully as possible; the SEO bit is about making sure that the site
demonstrates the legitimate relevance of that service to the searchers
query.

Your experience pushed you down the route of paid advertising - which most
have the luxury of running alongside SEO - and for those who have sites for
which SEO is problematic it's good to know that there is life without
Google.

--
PeterMcC
If you feel that any of the above is incorrect,
inappropriate or offensive in any way,
please ignore it and accept my apologies.

On Sun, 02 May 2004 06:18:56 GMT, Vincent Granville
<paris63 (AT) pacbel (DOT) net> wrote:

I was banned from Google long ago.

Why?

BB

The good thing about this is that I
have stopped designing my website in order to achieve high volume of
free traffic from Google.

Instead I have focused on providing the best possible experience to the
user or prospect, regardless of whether this would penalize me on Google
(of course it didn't matter being penalized or not since I was
permanently banned anyway).

In order to drive customers to my site, I have focused on paid
advertising. I noticed that since I could choose which URL I wanted to
show to customers (through paid advertising), I was able to perform much
better targeting than with free traffic from Google.

In a nutshell, the Google ban (http://www.datashaping.com/google.shtml)
allowed me to create a website that is optimized with regard to customer
experience, as opposed to search engine robots. This has served me very
well.

Big Bill kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk wrote:

On Sun, 02 May 2004 06:18:56 GMT, Vincent Granville
paris63 (AT) pacbel (DOT) net> wrote:

I was banned from Google long ago.

Why?

because he was trying to make money out of manipulating Google results in
ways that violate their terms and conditions...he tried to stiff Google
and instead Google have stiffed him

it was all discussed to death in this newsgroup and other a while back

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

Eric Jarvis wrote in
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Big Bill kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk wrote:
On Sun, 02 May 2004 06:18:56 GMT, Vincent Granville
paris63 (AT) pacbel (DOT) net> wrote:

I was banned from Google long ago.

Why?


because he was trying to make money out of manipulating Google
results in ways that violate their terms and conditions...he tried to
stiff Google and instead Google have stiffed him

it was all discussed to death in this newsgroup and other a while back

Would that be the Google Dance of Death?

--
PeterMcC
If you feel that any of the above is incorrect,
inappropriate or offensive in any way,
please ignore it and accept my apologies.

"PeterMcC" <peter (AT) mccourt (DOT) org.uk> wrote

Eric Jarvis wrote in
MPG.1aff4e64c7a5baee98ca75 (AT) news...individual.net

Big Bill kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk wrote:
On Sun, 02 May 2004 06:18:56 GMT, Vincent Granville
paris63 (AT) pacbel (DOT) net> wrote:

I was banned from Google long ago.

Why?


because he was trying to make money out of manipulating Google
results in ways that violate their terms and conditions...he tried to
stiff Google and instead Google have stiffed him

it was all discussed to death in this newsgroup and other a while back

Would that be the Google Dance of Death?

I'm sure Martin will be able to explain that better since he is the expert
on "Dances of Death" :-)
Stacey

On Sun, 2 May 2004 19:29:29 +0100, Eric Jarvis <web (AT) ericjarvis (DOT) co.uk>
wrote:

Big Bill kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk wrote:
On Sun, 02 May 2004 06:18:56 GMT, Vincent Granville
paris63 (AT) pacbel (DOT) net> wrote:

I was banned from Google long ago.

Why?


because he was trying to make money out of manipulating Google results in
ways that violate their terms and conditions...he tried to stiff Google
and instead Google have stiffed him

it was all discussed to death in this newsgroup and other a while back

And I missed it? Shame on me!

BB