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If a weblink is included on a site which is indexed by Google (and that
page, with that link, can be found in a Google search) then would the
linked site automatically be indexed by Google and if so, how long would
usually it take to show up in a search?

All of the above assuming that the indexed page is not a gateway page or
any other kind of cheat.

I'm not looking at PR at all here, just getting on the index.

Ta.

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Andrew D wrote in
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If a weblink is included on a site which is indexed by Google (and
that page, with that link, can be found in a Google search) then
would the linked site automatically be indexed by Google and if so,
how long would usually it take to show up in a search?

All of the above assuming that the indexed page is not a gateway page
or any other kind of cheat.

I'm not looking at PR at all here, just getting on the index.

Ta.

The good news is that Google should find the site, the bad news is that it's
difficult to give a time-scale. It's often quoted in this context, but
probably of little comfort, that patience is a virtue.

If I had to guess at an average for a new site, I'd say around six weeks but
there's a wide variation in individual cases.

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In article <412465a0$0$61994$ed2619ec (AT) ptn-nntp-reader01 (DOT) plus.net>,
"PeterMcC" <peter (AT) mccourt (DOT) org.uk> wrote:

Andrew D wrote in
andyd-1808042353390001 (AT) dip-220-...westnet.com.au

If a weblink is included on a site which is indexed by Google (and
that page, with that link, can be found in a Google search) then
would the linked site automatically be indexed by Google and if so,
how long would usually it take to show up in a search?

All of the above assuming that the indexed page is not a gateway page
or any other kind of cheat.

I'm not looking at PR at all here, just getting on the index.

Ta.

The good news is that Google should find the site, the bad news is that it's
difficult to give a time-scale. It's often quoted in this context, but
probably of little comfort, that patience is a virtue.

If I had to guess at an average for a new site, I'd say around six weeks but
there's a wide variation in individual cases.

Thanks for that - I'll try to be virtuous. Another question which comes to
mind is how often would Google normally update/refresh/re-spider a site
already in the index? Is there a standard time for all sites or does PR or
other considerations come into it?

Ta.

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Andy D.
http://members.westnet.com.au/andydolphin/
Fine art gallery - online, Western Australia
Landscapes, seascapes and still life paintings in oils.

Andrew D wrote in
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<snip>

Thanks for that - I'll try to be virtuous. Another question which
comes to mind is how often would Google normally
update/refresh/re-spider a site already in the index? Is there a
standard time for all sites or does PR or other considerations come
into it?

The spidering is likely to take place quite quickly - note the careful
evasion of a specific time-scale there - more so with a link from a high PR
site since they seem to get spidered more regularly.

It's the pause between spidering and appearing in the index that takes
forever when you're waiting.

The sequence runs somthing like - spider visits (you'll see that in your
logs) - site appears in Google with a search for the URL but it's not cached
(the Google toolbar will show you if it's cached) - site is in Google cache
and is showing in searches (try searching for a unique string enclosed in
quotes, e.g. "I'm sure that this text is fairly uncommon but it appears on
my page" - site gets PR. Often the PR is quite high initially and this is
followed by site disappearing completely. Don't panic! This may or may not
be cause by the "sandboxing" effect (which may or may not exist) and the
site will return after a few (agonising) weeks with a more realistic PR.

Then money just pours in...

....and when that happens, email me and I'll explain what your next steps
should be.

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PeterMcC
If you feel that any of the above is incorrect,
inappropriate or offensive in any way,
please ignore it and accept my apologies.

"PeterMcC" <peter (AT) mccourt (DOT) org.uk> wrote

Andrew D wrote in
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snip

Thanks for that - I'll try to be virtuous. Another question which
comes to mind is how often would Google normally
update/refresh/re-spider a site already in the index? Is there a
standard time for all sites or does PR or other considerations come
into it?

The spidering is likely to take place quite quickly - note the careful
evasion of a specific time-scale there - more so with a link from a high
PR
site since they seem to get spidered more regularly.

It's the pause between spidering and appearing in the index that takes
forever when you're waiting.

The sequence runs somthing like - spider visits (you'll see that in your
logs) - site appears in Google with a search for the URL but it's not
cached
(the Google toolbar will show you if it's cached) - site is in Google
cache
and is showing in searches (try searching for a unique string enclosed in
quotes, e.g. "I'm sure that this text is fairly uncommon but it appears on
my page" - site gets PR. Often the PR is quite high initially and this is
followed by site disappearing completely. Don't panic! This may or may not
be cause by the "sandboxing" effect (which may or may not exist) and the
site will return after a few (agonising) weeks with a more realistic PR.

Then money just pours in...

...and when that happens, email me and I'll explain what your next steps
should be.

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PeterMcC
If you feel that any of the above is incorrect,
inappropriate or offensive in any way,
please ignore it and accept my apologies.

Nice job Peter :-)

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In article <4125d165$0$25269$ed2619ec (AT) ptn-nntp-reader03 (DOT) plus.net>,
"PeterMcC" <peter (AT) mccourt (DOT) org.uk> wrote:

Andrew D wrote in
andyd-1908042156550001 (AT) dip-220-...westnet.com.au

snip

Thanks for that - I'll try to be virtuous. Another question which
comes to mind is how often would Google normally
update/refresh/re-spider a site already in the index? Is there a
standard time for all sites or does PR or other considerations come
into it?

The spidering is likely to take place quite quickly - note the careful
evasion of a specific time-scale there - more so with a link from a high PR
site since they seem to get spidered more regularly.

It's the pause between spidering and appearing in the index that takes
forever when you're waiting.

The sequence runs somthing like - spider visits (you'll see that in your
logs) - site appears in Google with a search for the URL but it's not cached
(the Google toolbar will show you if it's cached) - site is in Google cache
and is showing in searches (try searching for a unique string enclosed in
quotes, e.g. "I'm sure that this text is fairly uncommon but it appears on
my page" - site gets PR. Often the PR is quite high initially and this is
followed by site disappearing completely. Don't panic! This may or may not
be cause by the "sandboxing" effect (which may or may not exist) and the
site will return after a few (agonising) weeks with a more realistic PR.

Thanks for clearing that up, I think.

Then money just pours in...

Even if I'm not selling anything?!!? Wow! Great! ... I thought this
e-commerce stuff was supposed to be difficult!

...and when that happens, email me and I'll explain what your next steps
should be.

No doubt. Something tells me I can take a wild guess at those steps. Stay
tuned...

Now that you've gone to great lengths to detail that process (and I
appreciate that) - what I really meant in my question was how often an
*existing* cached site gets re-spidered? For example, the site containing
my link was obviously spidered early this week, since the link it carries
was only posted early this week and that link shows in a specific google
search for part of the url. But another link appearing on the same site
and posted the next day doesn't show in a Google search yet. So, how often
would the Google spider revisit a specific site?

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Andy D.
http://members.westnet.com.au/andydolphin/
Fine art gallery - online, Western Australia
Landscapes, seascapes and still life paintings in oils.