~article~ Are you Google's gopher?

Roy Schestowitz schreef:

__/ [ Big Bill ] on Friday 15 September 2006 09:17 \__

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:37:42 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
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__/ [ Paul ] on Thursday 14 September 2006 17:44 \__

From : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/5336284.stm

Google has just taken on legions of new workers. None are being paid -
and you might be one of them.

Since workplace computers were hooked up to the internet, office
workers have found more ways of wasting time at work, with e-mailed
jokes or videos of apparently-amusing accidents.

snip /
More recently, Google unveiled a servcies wherein people label images for
Google. Amazon has been doing something similar, but compensated people for
their time. Microsoft does the same thing when it encourages people to
serve as test dummies. Why would people help multi-billion corporations for
free?
Because it's fun. Make sweeping the streets into a fun game instead of
deadly boring and you'll have clean streets.

it's beyond me...

Microsoft wants more Vista testers
I finally got IE7 going yesterday, after a few snafus. The sites I've
viewed so far through it seem ok, much to my chagrin. I was hoping for
a coding frenzy :-(

I thought IE7 requires XP at the least. Aren't you using Windows 98 SE? Which
reminds me: please upgrade as there are no longer patches available. Your
machine is a menace that could pollute the Web (us included) with SPAM and
DDOS attacks. Refusing to do so is just irresponsible. YMMV. The most modern
Linux distributions would run gracefully on hardware which is Windows
98-compatible, in case you are willing to harness new skills with the
fastest growing platform.

As far is i can remember, Win98 SE was the most secure, even more than
XP. And now it has become a system that less are using, chances are it
will become more secure in time. No virus maker that is respecting
him/herself will see it as an important target anymore.

And lets face it, since Linux aint used by the majority, it will be
targeted less. Once it has become large enough, there will be searched
for exploits and possible safety issues on a larger scale until it can
and will be abused.



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Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

__/ [ John Bokma ] on Friday 15 September 2006 06:27 \__

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

[..]

I did the labeling thing with Google Images a few times. It's fun.
Although some of the images are way too small.

Why not use captions and the alt attribute as they already do, at
least in part? It can be trusted as much as an army of volunteers.

Because there are plenty of people out there who don't care about such
things, or have no idea about it, or the software they use doesn't allow
for it.

Furthermore there are people who do give images a caption etc., but it's
not the right one. Have a look at a photo album and you know what I mean.

Then there are pictures that are mislabelled for one reason or another. I
had a millipede photo, but it turned out to be a centipede.

As for free? If Google can label the images better, I would be very
happy. AI is not (yet) going to work, I am afraid :-D.

For some images, you can get decent certainty.

Yes, for a very small subset. Maybe play the label game a few times, and
then you'll see what kind of images needs a label.

I think it would be nice to make the results of labelling available to
all (competition included). This serves everyone better rather than
endow one company with an asset.

Google is a company out their to make money. Anything that gets them ahead
of the competition :-D.

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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:02:52 GMT, John A.
<no.john (AT) spammers (DOT) virg.iniaqu.ilter.allowed.com> wrote:

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:15:46 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk
wrote:

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:58:20 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

I thought IE7 requires XP at the least. Aren't you using Windows 98 SE?

I have two machines, 98SE on my main machine and XPSP2 on what will
become my main machine.

Which
reminds me: please upgrade as there are no longer patches available.

There's been none for while. There is a version of 98SE that's been
worked on by furrowed-brow types that overcomes a lot of the problems
it's had (they say) that I may get around to upgrading to yet.

URL?

Dunno, I lost it. It's on some forum.

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On 15 Sep 2006 15:20:49 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

__/ [ John Bokma ] on Friday 15 September 2006 06:27 \__

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

[..]

I did the labeling thing with Google Images a few times. It's fun.
Although some of the images are way too small.

Why not use captions and the alt attribute as they already do, at
least in part? It can be trusted as much as an army of volunteers.

Because there are plenty of people out there who don't care about such
things, or have no idea about it, or the software they use doesn't allow
for it.

Furthermore there are people who do give images a caption etc., but it's
not the right one. Have a look at a photo album and you know what I mean.

Then there are pictures that are mislabelled for one reason or another. I
had a millipede photo, but it turned out to be a centipede.

Report to the dungeons...

BB
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__/ [ tonnie ] on Friday 15 September 2006 12:22 \__

Roy Schestowitz schreef:
__/ [ Big Bill ] on Friday 15 September 2006 09:17 \__

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:37:42 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

__/ [ Paul ] on Thursday 14 September 2006 17:44 \__

From : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/5336284.stm

Google has just taken on legions of new workers. None are being paid -
and you might be one of them.

Since workplace computers were hooked up to the internet, office
workers have found more ways of wasting time at work, with e-mailed
jokes or videos of apparently-amusing accidents.

snip /
More recently, Google unveiled a servcies wherein people label images
for Google. Amazon has been doing something similar, but compensated
people for their time. Microsoft does the same thing when it encourages
people to serve as test dummies. Why would people help multi-billion
corporations for free?
Because it's fun. Make sweeping the streets into a fun game instead of
deadly boring and you'll have clean streets.

it's beyond me...

Microsoft wants more Vista testers
I finally got IE7 going yesterday, after a few snafus. The sites I've
viewed so far through it seem ok, much to my chagrin. I was hoping for
a coding frenzy :-(

I thought IE7 requires XP at the least. Aren't you using Windows 98 SE?
Which reminds me: please upgrade as there are no longer patches available.
Your machine is a menace that could pollute the Web (us included) with
SPAM and DDOS attacks. Refusing to do so is just irresponsible. YMMV. The
most modern Linux distributions would run gracefully on hardware which is
Windows 98-compatible, in case you are willing to harness new skills with
the fastest growing platform.

As far is i can remember, Win98 SE was the most secure, even more than
XP. And now it has become a system that less are using, chances are it
will become more secure in time. No virus maker that is respecting
him/herself will see it as an important target anymore.

And lets face it, since Linux aint used by the majority, it will be
targeted less. Once it has become large enough, there will be searched
for exploits and possible safety issues on a larger scale until it can
and will be abused.

That's a widespread fallacy that is very convenient for Windows advocates to
use. Any security guru will tell you it is not true. See, for example, the
following:

The short life and hard times of a Linux virus

,----[ Quote ]

For a Linux binary virus to infect executables, those executables must
be writable by the user activating the virus. That is not likely to be
the case. Chances are, the programs are owned by root and the user is
running from a non-privileged account. Further, the less experienced
the user, the lower the likelihood that he actually owns any
executable programs. Therefore, the users who are the least savvy about
such hazards are also the ones with the least fertile home directories
for viruses.

[...]
`----

http://librenix.com/?inode=21

I am not sure the above refers to memory allocation in GNU/Linux, which makes
memory buffer overflow exploits almost impossible. Windows was built as a
single-user O/S from the ground up, so it lacks the solid absis
(pseudo-multiuser does not help). Jim Allchin said Windows needs 60% of its
code to be rewritten, for a reason.

Best wishes,

Roy

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Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On 15 Sep 2006 15:20:49 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

[..]

Then there are pictures that are mislabelled for one reason or
another. I had a millipede photo, but it turned out to be a centipede.

Report to the dungeons...

:-D I fixed that one fast enough. But I still have "toads" that are
actually frogs :-D.

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Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:02:52 GMT, John A.
no.john (AT) spammers (DOT) virg.ini...er.allowed.com> wrote:

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:15:46 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk
wrote:

[..]

There's been none for while. There is a version of 98SE that's been
worked on by furrowed-brow types that overcomes a lot of the problems
it's had (they say) that I may get around to upgrading to yet.

URL?

Dunno, I lost it. It's on some forum.

Maybe next year you can switch to ReactOS:
http://www.reactos.org/xhtml/en/index.html

"ReactOS is an effort to create a Free Software replacement for Microsoft
Windows(TM) that is compatible with existing hardware and software!"

And at least they got this right: "The main reason of ReactOS is the
simple fact that some people, or especially companies, will -never- switch
to Unix."

"Please bear in mind that ReactOS 0.3.0 is still in alpha stage and is not
recommended for everyday use."

Anyway, if you want to check it out, either install it on a computer
that's not used a lot, or run it in vmware's player.

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Roy Schestowitz schreef:

__/ [ tonnie ] on Friday 15 September 2006 12:22 \__

Roy Schestowitz schreef:
__/ [ Big Bill ] on Friday 15 September 2006 09:17 \__

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:37:42 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

__/ [ Paul ] on Thursday 14 September 2006 17:44 \__

From : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/5336284.stm

Google has just taken on legions of new workers. None are being paid -
and you might be one of them.

Since workplace computers were hooked up to the internet, office
workers have found more ways of wasting time at work, with e-mailed
jokes or videos of apparently-amusing accidents.

snip /
More recently, Google unveiled a servcies wherein people label images
for Google. Amazon has been doing something similar, but compensated
people for their time. Microsoft does the same thing when it encourages
people to serve as test dummies. Why would people help multi-billion
corporations for free?
Because it's fun. Make sweeping the streets into a fun game instead of
deadly boring and you'll have clean streets.

it's beyond me...

Microsoft wants more Vista testers
I finally got IE7 going yesterday, after a few snafus. The sites I've
viewed so far through it seem ok, much to my chagrin. I was hoping for
a coding frenzy :-(
I thought IE7 requires XP at the least. Aren't you using Windows 98 SE?
Which reminds me: please upgrade as there are no longer patches available.
Your machine is a menace that could pollute the Web (us included) with
SPAM and DDOS attacks. Refusing to do so is just irresponsible. YMMV. The
most modern Linux distributions would run gracefully on hardware which is
Windows 98-compatible, in case you are willing to harness new skills with
the fastest growing platform.
As far is i can remember, Win98 SE was the most secure, even more than
XP. And now it has become a system that less are using, chances are it
will become more secure in time. No virus maker that is respecting
him/herself will see it as an important target anymore.

And lets face it, since Linux aint used by the majority, it will be
targeted less. Once it has become large enough, there will be searched
for exploits and possible safety issues on a larger scale until it can
and will be abused.

That's a widespread fallacy that is very convenient for Windows advocates to
use. Any security guru will tell you it is not true. See, for example, the
following:

The short life and hard times of a Linux virus

,----[ Quote ]
| For a Linux binary virus to infect executables, those executables must
| be writable by the user activating the virus. That is not likely to be
| the case. Chances are, the programs are owned by root and the user is
| running from a non-privileged account. Further, the less experienced
| the user, the lower the likelihood that he actually owns any
| executable programs. Therefore, the users who are the least savvy about
| such hazards are also the ones with the least fertile home directories
| for viruses.
|
| [...]
`----

http://librenix.com/?inode=21

I am not sure the above refers to memory allocation in GNU/Linux, which makes
memory buffer overflow exploits almost impossible. Windows was built as a
single-user O/S from the ground up, so it lacks the solid absis
(pseudo-multiuser does not help). Jim Allchin said Windows needs 60% of its
code to be rewritten, for a reason.

I agree, to some point a linux based system is less vulnerable. But that
is not what i meant. Due to the fact that windows is now the major
system, it is attacked and searched for vulnerability's the most.

If it one day will be linux that is the most used system, then there
most certainly will be some one who finds a weak spot to use.

About spreading without knowing:

http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT3307459975.html



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On 15 Sep 2006 15:59:35 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:02:52 GMT, John A.
no.john (AT) spammers (DOT) virg.ini...er.allowed.com> wrote:

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:15:46 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk
wrote:

[..]

There's been none for while. There is a version of 98SE that's been
worked on by furrowed-brow types that overcomes a lot of the problems
it's had (they say) that I may get around to upgrading to yet.

URL?

Dunno, I lost it. It's on some forum.

Maybe next year you can switch to ReactOS:
http://www.reactos.org/xhtml/en/index.html

"ReactOS is an effort to create a Free Software replacement for Microsoft
Windows(TM) that is compatible with existing hardware and software!"

And at least they got this right: "The main reason of ReactOS is the
simple fact that some people, or especially companies, will -never- switch
to Unix."

"Please bear in mind that ReactOS 0.3.0 is still in alpha stage and is not
recommended for everyday use."

Just like Windows then. Users won't know the difference.

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On 15 Sep 2006 15:52:13 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On 15 Sep 2006 15:20:49 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

[..]

Then there are pictures that are mislabelled for one reason or
another. I had a millipede photo, but it turned out to be a centipede.

Report to the dungeons...

:-D I fixed that one fast enough. But I still have "toads" that are
actually frogs :-D.

*Both* dungeons...

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