annoyed at a doorway site

#11

"Stacey" <stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:49:58 -0400, "Stacey"
stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"mark | r" <markrush (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:425e8ed6$0$331$cc9e4d1f (AT) news (DOT) dial.pipex.com...

snip

and despite my emailing google loads its still in the listings.

Mark,

Also according to Google you need to have a Meta -no index and or
robots.txt
when you want to get a URL out of the index. You have metas to index it.
So,
with links and the index metas the page will be indexed.

Stacey

You want to run that by me again? I see sites that are in competition
and spam-riddled and I want them out of Google. Something I'm missing?
The only one I ever got out was a refresh link to a porn site.

What Mark is talking about is that he has a site that he made with
freeuk.com. He made it a doorway page. When you want a page or content to
be
removed from the index, http://www.google.com/remove.html . They have
guidelines that need to be followed for removal of a page or content. One
of
them is that there needs to be a meta tag for no index for sure and maybe
the robots.txt before submitting the removal tool. You can not take out a
competitors page of course as they have you sign up for a one time
password
and you have to follow through with it with your email, and make sure what
they ask is done to the page. Kind of hard to change the metas of a
competitor.

I guess you had missed a little what Mark had asked and what I was
conveying
to him. :-)

Stacey
7nope im annoyed at a competitors doorway page being 1 position above me on

the search engines

mark

#12

"mark | r" <markrush (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

"Stacey" <stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:2YC7e.301$lz1.119 (AT) lakeread01 (DOT) ..

"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:dfrt511ouq5h2s02ahjokg2of6668fheju (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:49:58 -0400, "Stacey"
stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"mark | r" <markrush (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:425e8ed6$0$331$cc9e4d1f (AT) news (DOT) dial.pipex.com...

snip

and despite my emailing google loads its still in the listings.

Mark,

Also according to Google you need to have a Meta -no index and or
robots.txt
when you want to get a URL out of the index. You have metas to index
it.
So,
with links and the index metas the page will be indexed.

Stacey

You want to run that by me again? I see sites that are in competition
and spam-riddled and I want them out of Google. Something I'm missing?
The only one I ever got out was a refresh link to a porn site.

What Mark is talking about is that he has a site that he made with
freeuk.com. He made it a doorway page. When you want a page or content to
be
removed from the index, http://www.google.com/remove.html . They have
guidelines that need to be followed for removal of a page or content. One
of
them is that there needs to be a meta tag for no index for sure and maybe
the robots.txt before submitting the removal tool. You can not take out a
competitors page of course as they have you sign up for a one time
password
and you have to follow through with it with your email, and make sure
what
they ask is done to the page. Kind of hard to change the metas of a
competitor.

I guess you had missed a little what Mark had asked and what I was
conveying
to him. :-)

Stacey
7nope im annoyed at a competitors doorway page being 1 position above me
on
the search engines

Yeah, TJ made me aware of it then I wondered why I associated with you and
inspirals and you mentioned stuff before about them.:-) Sorry about that!!

Stacey

#13

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:23:51 -0400, "Stacey"
<stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:dfrt511ouq5h2s02ahjokg2of6668fheju (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:49:58 -0400, "Stacey"
stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"mark | r" <markrush (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:425e8ed6$0$331$cc9e4d1f (AT) news (DOT) dial.pipex.com...

snip

and despite my emailing google loads its still in the listings.

Mark,

Also according to Google you need to have a Meta -no index and or
robots.txt
when you want to get a URL out of the index. You have metas to index it.
So,
with links and the index metas the page will be indexed.

Stacey

You want to run that by me again? I see sites that are in competition
and spam-riddled and I want them out of Google. Something I'm missing?
The only one I ever got out was a refresh link to a porn site.

What Mark is talking about is that he has a site that he made with
freeuk.com. He made it a doorway page. When you want a page or content to be
removed from the index, http://www.google.com/remove.html . They have
guidelines that need to be followed for removal of a page or content. One of
them is that there needs to be a meta tag for no index for sure and maybe
the robots.txt before submitting the removal tool. You can not take out a
competitors page of course as they have you sign up for a one time password
and you have to follow through with it with your email, and make sure what
they ask is done to the page. Kind of hard to change the metas of a
competitor.

I guess you had missed a little what Mark had asked and what I was conveying
to him. :-)

Stacey

How unlike me, eh?
Thanks, Stacey.

BB

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#14

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:15:38 -0400, "Stacey"
<stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

"T.J." <no1 (AT) home (DOT) invalid> wrote in message
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"Stacey" <stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote in message
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"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:dfrt511ouq5h2s02ahjokg2of6668fheju (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:49:58 -0400, "Stacey"
stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"mark | r" <markrush (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:425e8ed6$0$331$cc9e4d1f (AT) news (DOT) dial.pipex.com...

snip

and despite my emailing google loads its still in the listings.

Mark,

Also according to Google you need to have a Meta -no index and or
robots.txt
when you want to get a URL out of the index. You have metas to index it.
So,
with links and the index metas the page will be indexed.

Stacey

You want to run that by me again? I see sites that are in competition
and spam-riddled and I want them out of Google. Something I'm missing?
The only one I ever got out was a refresh link to a porn site.

What Mark is talking about is that he has a site that he made with
freeuk.com. He made it a doorway page. When you want a page or content to
be removed from the index, http://www.google.com/remove.html . They have
guidelines that need to be followed for removal of a page or content. One
of them is that there needs to be a meta tag for no index for sure and
maybe the robots.txt before submitting the removal tool. You can not take
out a competitors page of course as they have you sign up for a one time
password and you have to follow through with it with your email, and make
sure what they ask is done to the page. Kind of hard to change the metas
of a competitor.

I guess you had missed a little what Mark had asked and what I was
conveying to him. :-)

Stacey

I think you will find that the site he is talking about is a rivals site
and he wants to know how to get it penalised.

Oh, I had thought inspirals was one of Mark's sites. Well, he can't have it
removed then. :-)

Stacey

Not like you to miss anything, eh, Stacey?
Tee-hee...

BB
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#15

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:09:53 +0100, "mark | r" <markrush (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

"Stacey" <stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:2YC7e.301$lz1.119 (AT) lakeread01 (DOT) ..

"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:dfrt511ouq5h2s02ahjokg2of6668fheju (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:49:58 -0400, "Stacey"
stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"mark | r" <markrush (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:425e8ed6$0$331$cc9e4d1f (AT) news (DOT) dial.pipex.com...

snip

and despite my emailing google loads its still in the listings.

Mark,

Also according to Google you need to have a Meta -no index and or
robots.txt
when you want to get a URL out of the index. You have metas to index it.
So,
with links and the index metas the page will be indexed.

Stacey

You want to run that by me again? I see sites that are in competition
and spam-riddled and I want them out of Google. Something I'm missing?
The only one I ever got out was a refresh link to a porn site.

What Mark is talking about is that he has a site that he made with
freeuk.com. He made it a doorway page. When you want a page or content to
be
removed from the index, http://www.google.com/remove.html . They have
guidelines that need to be followed for removal of a page or content. One
of
them is that there needs to be a meta tag for no index for sure and maybe
the robots.txt before submitting the removal tool. You can not take out a
competitors page of course as they have you sign up for a one time
password
and you have to follow through with it with your email, and make sure what
they ask is done to the page. Kind of hard to change the metas of a
competitor.

I guess you had missed a little what Mark had asked and what I was
conveying
to him. :-)

Stacey
7nope im annoyed at a competitors doorway page being 1 position above me on
the search engines

mark

Oh man, I feel GOOD today! All kind of, vindicated!

BB

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#16

"Stacey" <stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

"mark | r" <markrush (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:425f76e4$1$325$cc9e4d1f (AT) news (DOT) dial.pipex.com...

"Stacey" <stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:2YC7e.301$lz1.119 (AT) lakeread01 (DOT) ..

"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:dfrt511ouq5h2s02ahjokg2of6668fheju (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:49:58 -0400, "Stacey"
stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"mark | r" <markrush (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:425e8ed6$0$331$cc9e4d1f (AT) news (DOT) dial.pipex.com...

snip

and despite my emailing google loads its still in the listings.

Mark,

Also according to Google you need to have a Meta -no index and or
robots.txt
when you want to get a URL out of the index. You have metas to index
it.
So,
with links and the index metas the page will be indexed.

Stacey

You want to run that by me again? I see sites that are in competition
and spam-riddled and I want them out of Google. Something I'm
missing?
The only one I ever got out was a refresh link to a porn site.

What Mark is talking about is that he has a site that he made with
freeuk.com. He made it a doorway page. When you want a page or content
to
be
removed from the index, http://www.google.com/remove.html . They have
guidelines that need to be followed for removal of a page or content.
One
of
them is that there needs to be a meta tag for no index for sure and
maybe
the robots.txt before submitting the removal tool. You can not take out
a
competitors page of course as they have you sign up for a one time
password
and you have to follow through with it with your email, and make sure
what
they ask is done to the page. Kind of hard to change the metas of a
competitor.

I guess you had missed a little what Mark had asked and what I was
conveying
to him. :-)

Stacey
7nope im annoyed at a competitors doorway page being 1 position above me
on
the search engines

Yeah, TJ made me aware of it then I wondered why I associated with you and
inspirals and you mentioned stuff before about them.:-) Sorry about that!!

Stacey

its jelousey, theyre #1 because they use a frame'd site with loads of pseudo
relevant content that no one will ever see and he does loads of spammy link
building from doorway sites that he creates under freebie domain names.

Mark

#17

"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote

Quote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:23:51 -0400, "Stacey"
stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:dfrt511ouq5h2s02ahjokg2of6668fheju (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:49:58 -0400, "Stacey"
stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"mark | r" <markrush (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:425e8ed6$0$331$cc9e4d1f (AT) news (DOT) dial.pipex.com...

snip

and despite my emailing google loads its still in the listings.

Mark,

Also according to Google you need to have a Meta -no index and or
robots.txt
when you want to get a URL out of the index. You have metas to index it.
So,
with links and the index metas the page will be indexed.

Stacey

You want to run that by me again? I see sites that are in competition
and spam-riddled and I want them out of Google. Something I'm missing?
The only one I ever got out was a refresh link to a porn site.

What Mark is talking about is that he has a site that he made with
freeuk.com. He made it a doorway page. When you want a page or content to
be
removed from the index, http://www.google.com/remove.html . They have
guidelines that need to be followed for removal of a page or content. One
of
them is that there needs to be a meta tag for no index for sure and maybe
the robots.txt before submitting the removal tool. You can not take out a
competitors page of course as they have you sign up for a one time
password
and you have to follow through with it with your email, and make sure what
they ask is done to the page. Kind of hard to change the metas of a
competitor.

I guess you had missed a little what Mark had asked and what I was
conveying
to him. :-)

Stacey

How unlike me, eh?
Thanks, Stacey.

BB

Well, we can all make mistakes now and then huh Bill!:-) Oh well, I have
been half with things lately as I have the big move ahead in 2 months and to
sell a house which isn't ready to sell! I also have to make a trip to KY
next month for a week and then to MA in June maybe for a week. Then have my
stuff all packed up into crates and sent overseas. Yep, nothing to lose your
mind over just a few brain cells that's all!! :-)

Stacey

#18

"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote

<snip>

Quote:

Not like you to miss anything, eh, Stacey?
Tee-hee...

:-)

#19

"mark | r" <markrush (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

www.inspirals.freeuk.com

is a doorway for

www.inspirals.co.uk

and despite my emailing google loads its still in the listings.

anyone any tips on this?

In looking at the site above I would have to think that Google must have
tens of thousands of items on their "to do" list that have a higher priority
than this... and thats assuming they would even consider removing that site
from the search results.

Yes it is a "doorway" or "splash" page... but the content is small and to
the point. Its not just ramblings going on and on to stuff keywords like:
"buy silver jewelry or jewellery or jewelery online at our online silver
jewellery store - we have gold, silver, platinum, gems, diamonds, emeralds,
rubies, or whatever you want in the way of rings, necklaces, earrings,
chokers, anklets, toe rings, " etc, etc

Then Google would need something to actually act upon... in looking at their
FAQ at: http://www.google.com/intl/en/webmasters/2.html
it says:

1. Reasons your site may not be included.
You employ doorway pages. Google does not encourage the use of doorway
pages. We want to point users to content pages, not to doorways or splash
screens

thats what it says... it does not say:
1. Reason your site will not be included.
You employ doorway pages. Google does not allow the use of doorway
pages.

With the key phrases there being: "MAY NOT be included" and "DOES NOT
ENCOURAGE the use of doorway page". I read that and it doesn't come across
to me in anything that would give you grounds for asking Google to remove
these guys from the search results.

Then when you consider that their actual website is done up entirely in
flash... all you really have is something that pretty much every flash site
before them has: a splash page to give the search engines content to grab
and index.

I seriously think that no matter how much you complain they will never
remove that site from the search results and you'd be better off spending
your time doing something to improve your own ranking instead.

#20

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:29:33 GMT, "Auggie" <Imperial.Palace (AT) Rome (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

"mark | r" <markrush (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:425e8ed6$0$331$cc9e4d1f (AT) news (DOT) dial.pipex.com...
www.inspirals.freeuk.com

is a doorway for

www.inspirals.co.uk

and despite my emailing google loads its still in the listings.

anyone any tips on this?

In looking at the site above I would have to think that Google must have
tens of thousands of items on their "to do" list that have a higher priority
than this... and thats assuming they would even consider removing that site
from the search results.

Yes it is a "doorway" or "splash" page... but the content is small and to
the point. Its not just ramblings going on and on to stuff keywords like:
"buy silver jewelry or jewellery or jewelery online at our online silver
jewellery store - we have gold, silver, platinum, gems, diamonds, emeralds,
rubies, or whatever you want in the way of rings, necklaces, earrings,
chokers, anklets, toe rings, " etc, etc

Then Google would need something to actually act upon... in looking at their
FAQ at: http://www.google.com/intl/en/webmasters/2.html
it says:

1. Reasons your site may not be included.
You employ doorway pages. Google does not encourage the use of doorway
pages. We want to point users to content pages, not to doorways or splash
screens

thats what it says... it does not say:
1. Reason your site will not be included.
You employ doorway pages. Google does not allow the use of doorway
pages.

With the key phrases there being: "MAY NOT be included" and "DOES NOT
ENCOURAGE the use of doorway page". I read that and it doesn't come across
to me in anything that would give you grounds for asking Google to remove
these guys from the search results.

Then when you consider that their actual website is done up entirely in
flash... all you really have is something that pretty much every flash site
before them has: a splash page to give the search engines content to grab
and index.

I seriously think that no matter how much you complain they will never
remove that site from the search results and you'd be better off spending
your time doing something to improve your own ranking instead.

I agree. People should always bear in mind "intent" before they holler
spam. Where there is no intent to decieve, Google has no apparent
interest in deleting a site. Nor should it have.

BB
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