Adding static pages to get more SE Listings.

Ok after using word tracker, reading Davids advice on his website and
from my own mind I now am definatly in the mind that the large number of
'small seach' but 'not hard competion, niche market and very targeted'
phrases should all be gone for, to as David put it give a stream of very
targeted traffic.

My oscommerce site is php and for extreme exact phases such as

Hofner Sienna HAS05

http://www.pennylanemusic.co.uk/hofn...tic-p-299.html
The SEO URL Brings my site up, and often only my site! (yahoo as google
hasnt caught on to the update yet )

Anyway I was thinking of making static pages about 'Fender Guitars'
'Burns Guitars' etc and adding them.

Sorry for more help wanted but I think this will be a last make sure im
on the right way post

James

--
James Helliwell
Firespin Design
w. www.firespin.co.uk
West Sussex Company specializing in
Web, Print Design, Illustration,
Hosting services and Support.
Affordable prices.

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:57:24 +0000 (UTC), James Helliwell
<james (AT) firespin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Ok after using word tracker, reading Davids advice on his website and
from my own mind I now am definatly in the mind that the large number of
'small seach' but 'not hard competion, niche market and very targeted'
phrases should all be gone for, to as David put it give a stream of very
targeted traffic.

Glad it helped :-)

BTW Gibson Guitar looks like a nice traffic niche, top 20 from
Wordtracker paid research-

Gibson Guitar 3255 2911
Gibson Guitars 1826 1633
gibson guitars 750 671
Used Gibson Guitars 345 309
gibson guitar 248 222
Gibson Guitar History 202 181
Age of Gibson Guitar 128 114
gibson guitar parts 99 89
vintage gibson guitars 92 82
Gibson guitars 45 40
gibson guitar picks 30 27
GIBSON GUITARS 30 27
sunburst gibson guitars 20 18
replaced parts gibson guitar 20 18
How Old Is My Gibson Guitar 20 18
gibson guitars of the 1950-1972 19 17
gibson guitar serial numbers 19 17
Gibson guitar 18 16
gibson guitar clothing 18 16
Vintage Gibson Guitars Inventory 17 15

287 of these in total so plenty of traffic available for what you
would think isn't a major SERP.

It's the 4th most popular guitar related search as well.

My oscommerce site is php and for extreme exact phases such as

Hofner Sienna HAS05

http://www.pennylanemusic.co.uk/hofn...tic-p-299.html
The SEO URL Brings my site up, and often only my site! (yahoo as google
hasnt caught on to the update yet )

Did you know you have session ids on that site? Very bad for
spidering, the bots will spider the new URLs created for each session,
which results in loads of Supplemental Results-

http://www.google.com/search?num=100...id&btnG=Search

I was going to use Oscommerce for a project and there is a SEO version
available, still needs a little work in terms of full optimisation,
but it's better than having session ids that mess your sites indexing
up!

Anyway I was thinking of making static pages about 'Fender Guitars'
'Burns Guitars' etc and adding them.

Better to remove the session ids since then all your pages will be
indexed in a stable manner.

Sorry for more help wanted but I think this will be a last make sure im
on the right way post

Terrible this, coming to a public newsgroup expecting help, whatever
next :-))

James

David
--
Free Search Engine Optimization Tutorial
http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/

David wrote:

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:57:24 +0000 (UTC), James Helliwell
james (AT) firespin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Ok after using word tracker, reading Davids advice on his website and
from my own mind I now am definatly in the mind that the large number of
'small seach' but 'not hard competion, niche market and very targeted'
phrases should all be gone for, to as David put it give a stream of very
targeted traffic.

Glad it helped :-)

BTW Gibson Guitar looks like a nice traffic niche, top 20 from
Wordtracker paid research-

Gibson Guitar 3255 2911
Gibson Guitars 1826 1633
gibson guitars 750 671
Used Gibson Guitars 345 309
gibson guitar 248 222
Gibson Guitar History 202 181
Age of Gibson Guitar 128 114
gibson guitar parts 99 89
vintage gibson guitars 92 82
Gibson guitars 45 40
gibson guitar picks 30 27
GIBSON GUITARS 30 27
sunburst gibson guitars 20 18
replaced parts gibson guitar 20 18
How Old Is My Gibson Guitar 20 18
gibson guitars of the 1950-1972 19 17
gibson guitar serial numbers 19 17
Gibson guitar 18 16
gibson guitar clothing 18 16
Vintage Gibson Guitars Inventory 17 15

287 of these in total so plenty of traffic available for what you
would think isn't a major SERP.

It's the 4th most popular guitar related search as well.

My oscommerce site is php and for extreme exact phases such as

Hofner Sienna HAS05

http://www.pennylanemusic.co.uk/hofn...tic-p-299.html
The SEO URL Brings my site up, and often only my site! (yahoo as google
hasnt caught on to the update yet )

Did you know you have session ids on that site? Very bad for
spidering, the bots will spider the new URLs created for each session,
which results in loads of Supplemental Results-

http://www.google.com/search?num=100...id&btnG=Search

I was going to use Oscommerce for a project and there is a SEO version
available, still needs a little work in terms of full optimisation,
but it's better than having session ids that mess your sites indexing
up!

Anyway I was thinking of making static pages about 'Fender Guitars'
'Burns Guitars' etc and adding them.

Better to remove the session ids since then all your pages will be
indexed in a stable manner.

Sorry for more help wanted but I think this will be a last make sure im
on the right way post

Terrible this, coming to a public newsgroup expecting help, whatever
next :-))

James

David
--
Free Search Engine Optimization Tutorial
http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/

Do as David says. Make a separate page (a static, not session ID
tagged page) for each of the many topics listed above as possible
and make sure that in the aggregated 5 - 6 pages you select, all the
OTHER keyword phrases occur as written.

As i have said, you'll want a number of paragraphs and several illos
per page. The illos should have alt tags that are embedded in links
that link to other pages.

Make every portion of the content support every other portion.

Static pages do you more good than dynamic pages. HEED THESE WORDS.

Many people will tell you that static pages are "old fashioned" but
face it -- GOOGLE IS OLD-FASHIONED -- it cannot afford the
near-infinite resources it would take to index every possible
dynamic page from every site that has dynamic pages. 'Twould pose a
serious memory / bandwidth problem.

So you have two choices: make static pages or use some coding tricks
to lose the session ID tags that alert google to the fact that you
are using dynamic pages.

Most people here recommend the latter, but note that if or when
EVERYBODY learns to lose the session ID tags, google will still have
to come up with some way to avoid having its spiders get lost in a
maze of dynamic pages, so there will come a time when a google will
be forced to develop the ability to distinguish dynamic pages based
on some other quality -- or will have to choke trying -- or will
have to multiply its database by x-billion in order to index every
possible dynamic page on earth.

Play by google's rules and you can win at the google game. Fight
google -- and you will lose.

Cordially,

cat yronwode

Lucky Mojo Curio Co.
http://www.luckymojo.com/catalog

catherine yronwode <cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com> wrote:

Static pages do you more good than dynamic pages. HEED THESE WORDS.

Many people will tell you that static pages are "old fashioned" but
face it -- GOOGLE IS OLD-FASHIONED -- it cannot afford the
near-infinite resources it would take to index every possible
dynamic page from every site that has dynamic pages. 'Twould pose a
serious memory / bandwidth problem.

HEED THESE WORDS: technically Google (nor anyone else) *can't see* if a
page is static or dynamic. What many people call dynamic pages are pages
that have ? in the URL.

http://example.com/foo.html?bar=12 static or dynamic?
http://example.com/foo.php?bar=12 static or dynamic?
http://example.com/foo.html static or dynamic?
http://example.com/foo.php static or dynamic?
http://example.com/foo/bar/12/ static or dynamic?

So you have two choices: make static pages or use some coding tricks
to lose the session ID tags that alert google to the fact that you
are using dynamic pages.

And hence, it looks like you are having static pages :-D.

Most people here recommend the latter, but note that if or when
EVERYBODY learns to lose the session ID tags, google will still have
to come up with some way to avoid having its spiders get lost in a
maze of dynamic pages, so there will come a time when a google will
be forced to develop the ability to distinguish dynamic pages based
on some other quality

Impossible. HTTP is just an exchange of a bunch of data. Each and every
part of this data can be faked/spoofed or however you will call it. Same
for the other way around, each and every piece of data.

(Exception are meta information like the IP address and port used to
connect).

-- or will have to choke trying -- or will
have to multiply its database by x-billion in order to index every
possible dynamic page on earth.

How is this different from having everybody creating 100,000 static
pages on his webserver? The answer is: not.

Play by google's rules and you can win at the google game. Fight
google -- and you will lose.

Note that making dynamic pages appear static has nothing to do with
playing or fighting with Google. It's sound advice, and it works, and
will keep on working, unless Google manages to redesign HTTP and forces
everybody to use it.

--
John Perl SEO tools: http://johnbokma.com/perl/
or have them custom made
Experienced (web) developer: http://castleamber.com/

catherine yronwode <cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com> wrote:

John Bokma wrote:

How is this different from having everybody creating 100,000 static
pages on his webserver? The answer is: not.

Good point. I'll concede on that one!

Play by google's rules and you can win at the google game. Fight
google -- and you will lose.

Note that making dynamic pages appear static has nothing to do with
playing or fighting with Google.

No, i was speaking of his dynamic-LOKKING dynamic pages -- he needs
to make them either be static or look static.

Yes, I agree on that one :-)

It's sound advice, and it works,
and will keep on working, unless Google manages to redesign HTTP
and forces everybody to use it.

A not improbable scenario. Scary, huh?

I doubt it will ever happen. However, I can imagine that Google can and
will take some measures against gazillions of pages. There is already a
duplicated content filter. Another trick might be to cap the number of
pages, and make it relate to pagerank (or the successor), e.g. you can
have at most 10 to the power pagerank (times a constant < 1 ) pages in
Google + some constant, i.e.

max pages = 10 ^ ( c1 * PageRank ) + c2



--
John Perl SEO tools: http://johnbokma.com/perl/
or have them custom made
Experienced (web) developer: http://castleamber.com/

John Bokma wrote:

catherine yronwode <cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com> wrote:

HEED THESE WORDS: technically Google (nor anyone else) *can't see*
if a page is static or dynamic. What many people call dynamic pages
are pages that have ? in the URL.

http://example.com/foo.html?bar=12 static or dynamic?
http://example.com/foo.php?bar=12 static or dynamic?
http://example.com/foo.html static or dynamic?
http://example.com/foo.php static or dynamic?
http://example.com/foo/bar/12/ static or dynamic?

I understand -- and i said as much.

But don't you wonder if -- or worry that -- at some point google
will run out of juice chasing its own tail through a zillion-zillion
dynamic (but disguised as static) pages?

So you have two choices: make static pages or use some coding
tricks to lose the session ID tags that alert google to the fact
that you are using dynamic pages.

And hence, it looks like you are having static pages :-D.

Right.

Most people here recommend the latter, but note that if or when
EVERYBODY learns to lose the session ID tags,
[...google ...] will
have to multiply its database by x-billion in order to index
every possible dynamic page on earth.

How is this different from having everybody creating 100,000 static
pages on his webserver? The answer is: not.

Good point. I'll concede on that one!

Play by google's rules and you can win at the google game. Fight
google -- and you will lose.

Note that making dynamic pages appear static has nothing to do with
playing or fighting with Google.

No, i was speaking of his dynamic-LOKKING dynamic pages -- he needs
to make them either be static or look static.

It's sound advice, and it works,
and will keep on working, unless Google manages to redesign HTTP
and forces everybody to use it.

A not improbable scenario. Scary, huh?

Cordially,

static cat yronwode

Lucky Mojo Curio Co.
http://www.luckymojo.com/catalogue

John Bokma wrote:

catherine yronwode <cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com> wrote:

John Bokma wrote:

i was speaking of his dynamic-LOOKING dynamic pages -- he
needs to make them either be static or look static.

Yes, I agree on that one :-)

It's sound advice, and it works,
and will keep on working, unless
Google manages to redesign HTTP
and forces everybody to use it.

A not improbable scenario. Scary, huh?

I doubt it will ever happen. However,
I can imagine that Google can and
will take some measures against
gazillions of pages. There is already a
duplicated content filter. Another trick
might be to cap the number of
pages, and make it relate to pagerank
(or the successor), e.g. you can
have at most 10 to the power pagerank
(times a constant < 1 ) pages in
Google + some constant, i.e.

max pages = 10 ^ ( c1 * PageRank ) + c2

What an interesting idea! Man, that is sharp thinking.
Google should pay you for that one.

Cordially,

cat yronwode

Sacred Sex
http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredsex.html

David wrote:

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:57:24 +0000 (UTC), James Helliwell
james (AT) firespin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:


Ok after using word tracker, reading Davids advice on his website and

from my own mind I now am definatly in the mind that the large number of

'small seach' but 'not hard competion, niche market and very targeted'
phrases should all be gone for, to as David put it give a stream of very
targeted traffic.


Glad it helped :-)

BTW Gibson Guitar looks like a nice traffic niche, top 20 from
Wordtracker paid research-

Gibson Guitar 3255 2911
Gibson Guitars 1826 1633
gibson guitars 750 671
Used Gibson Guitars 345 309
gibson guitar 248 222
Gibson Guitar History 202 181
Age of Gibson Guitar 128 114
gibson guitar parts 99 89
vintage gibson guitars 92 82
Gibson guitars 45 40
gibson guitar picks 30 27
GIBSON GUITARS 30 27
sunburst gibson guitars 20 18
replaced parts gibson guitar 20 18
How Old Is My Gibson Guitar 20 18
gibson guitars of the 1950-1972 19 17
gibson guitar serial numbers 19 17
Gibson guitar 18 16
gibson guitar clothing 18 16
Vintage Gibson Guitars Inventory 17 15

287 of these in total so plenty of traffic available for what you
would think isn't a major SERP.

It's the 4th most popular guitar related search as well.

Are you saying I could consivably go for 100's of very small targeted
search terms Am joining wordtracker for a month as well.

My oscommerce site is php and for extreme exact phases such as

Hofner Sienna HAS05

http://www.pennylanemusic.co.uk/hofn...tic-p-299.html
The SEO URL Brings my site up, and often only my site! (yahoo as google
hasnt caught on to the update yet )


Did you know you have session ids on that site? Very bad for
spidering, the bots will spider the new URLs created for each session,
which results in loads of Supplemental Results-

http://www.google.com/search?num=100...id&btnG=Search

Only in Google as it hasnt caught up yet? I think ? If I go to my site I
dont see the id's anymore? just the product name in the URL?

I was going to use Oscommerce for a project and there is a SEO version
available, still needs a little work in terms of full optimisation,
but it's better than having session ids that mess your sites indexing
up!

CRE Loaded is the way to go first off, next time im usings that. And
then some of the contributions are already installed. Saves a bit (
alot) of work.

Anyway I was thinking of making static pages about 'Fender Guitars'
'Burns Guitars' etc and adding them.


Better to remove the session ids since then all your pages will be
indexed in a stable manner.

Looking into it, thanks.

Sorry for more help wanted but I think this will be a last make sure im
on the right way post


Terrible this, coming to a public newsgroup expecting help, whatever
next :-))

Thanks

James


David

J
--
James Helliwell
Firespin Design
w. www.firespin.co.uk
West Sussex Company specializing in
Web, Print Design, Illustration,
Hosting services and Support.
Affordable prices.

James

David
--
Free Search Engine Optimization Tutorial
http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/


Do as David says. Make a separate page (a static, not session ID
tagged page) for each of the many topics listed above as possible
and make sure that in the aggregated 5 - 6 pages you select, all the
OTHER keyword phrases occur as written.

I will do im going to use wordtracker to get lots of phrases and build
static pages around them to my site.

As i have said, you'll want a number of paragraphs and several illos
per page. The illos should have alt tags that are embedded in links
that link to other pages.

illos'? .. photo's or hyper-links you meen?o added pr both

Make every portion of the content support every other portion.

Static pages do you more good than dynamic pages. HEED THESE WORDS.

Many people will tell you that static pages are "old fashioned" but
face it -- GOOGLE IS OLD-FASHIONED -- it cannot afford the
near-infinite resources it would take to index every possible
dynamic page from every site that has dynamic pages. 'Twould pose a
serious memory / bandwidth problem.

So you have two choices: make static pages or use some coding tricks
to lose the session ID tags that alert google to the fact that you
are using dynamic pages.

Noted and they should be removed I think. I think G hasnt caught up yet.

Most people here recommend the latter, but note that if or when
EVERYBODY learns to lose the session ID tags, google will still have
to come up with some way to avoid having its spiders get lost in a
maze of dynamic pages, so there will come a time when a google will
be forced to develop the ability to distinguish dynamic pages based
on some other quality -- or will have to choke trying -- or will
have to multiply its database by x-billion in order to index every
possible dynamic page on earth.

I can believe all that. I am building static pages for the web site,
It's very old fashioned

Play by google's rules and you can win at the google game. Fight
google -- and you will lose.

Cordially,

cat yronwode

Lucky Mojo Curio Co.
http://www.luckymojo.com/catalog

Cheers Cat
Most helpful

--
James Helliwell
Firespin Design
w. www.firespin.co.uk
West Sussex Company specializing in
Web, Print Design, Illustration,
Hosting services and Support.
Affordable prices.

"David" <seodave (AT) search-engine-optimization-services (DOT) co.uk> wrote

<snip>

I was going to use Oscommerce for a project and there is a SEO version
available, still needs a little work in terms of full optimisation,
but it's better than having session ids that mess your sites indexing
up!

Dave there is a situation about OScommerce, will email you about it with the
details.


Stacey