Adding static pages to get more SE Listings.

James Helliwell wrote:

James

David
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http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/


Do as David says. Make a separate page (a static, not session ID
tagged page) for each of the many topics listed above as possible
and make sure that in the aggregated 5 - 6 pages you select, all the
OTHER keyword phrases occur as written.

I will do im going to use wordtracker to get lots of phrases and build
static pages around them to my site.


As i have said, you'll want a number of paragraphs and several illos
per page. The illos should have alt tags that are embedded in links
that link to other pages.

illos'? .. photo's or hyper-links you meen?o added pr both

illos = illustrations = pictures. But in order for the picture's alt
tag to count with google, the illustration must itself be a link to
.... somewhere or something.

Illos can be links to bigger versions of themselves, or to catalogue
pages, or to a gallery page of a similar class of illos, or to a
text page -- anything. Google only counts the words in the alt tag
if (1) the words are parsed by spaces or hyphens (not
runtogetherwords) and (2) if the illos containing the alt tags are
clickable links.

Example:

<center>
<a href=http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoo.html>
<img align="bottom" width="500" height="51" hspace="0"
alt=hoodoo-in-theory-and-practice-by-catherine-yronwode
src="http://www.luckymojo.com/blackcatbar.gif">
</a>
</center>

Cordially,

cat yronwode

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 09:57:55 +0000 (UTC), James Helliwell
<james (AT) firespin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

James

David
--
Free Search Engine Optimization Tutorial
http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/


Do as David says. Make a separate page (a static, not session ID
tagged page) for each of the many topics listed above as possible
and make sure that in the aggregated 5 - 6 pages you select, all the
OTHER keyword phrases occur as written.

I will do im going to use wordtracker to get lots of phrases and build
static pages around them to my site.


As i have said, you'll want a number of paragraphs and several illos
per page. The illos should have alt tags that are embedded in links
that link to other pages.

illos'? .. photo's or hyper-links you meen?o added pr both


Make every portion of the content support every other portion.

Static pages do you more good than dynamic pages. HEED THESE WORDS.

Many people will tell you that static pages are "old fashioned" but
face it -- GOOGLE IS OLD-FASHIONED -- it cannot afford the
near-infinite resources it would take to index every possible
dynamic page from every site that has dynamic pages. 'Twould pose a
serious memory / bandwidth problem.

So you have two choices: make static pages or use some coding tricks
to lose the session ID tags that alert google to the fact that you
are using dynamic pages.

Noted and they should be removed I think. I think G hasnt caught up yet.

Most people here recommend the latter, but note that if or when
EVERYBODY learns to lose the session ID tags, google will still have
to come up with some way to avoid having its spiders get lost in a
maze of dynamic pages, so there will come a time when a google will
be forced to develop the ability to distinguish dynamic pages based
on some other quality -- or will have to choke trying -- or will
have to multiply its database by x-billion in order to index every
possible dynamic page on earth.

I can believe all that. I am building static pages for the web site,
It's very old fashioned

So is common sense yet it survives. There is much to be said for the
concept of Keep It Simple, Stupid (KISS) - most particularly, it
works.

BB
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www.kruse.co.uk/ seo (AT) kruse (DOT) demon.co.uk
The buffalo have gone

On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 12:55:49 +0100, catherine yronwode <cat (AT) luckymojo (DOT) com>
wrote:

illos = illustrations = pictures. But in order for the picture's alt
tag to count with google, the illustration must itself be a link to
... somewhere or something.

Illos can be links to bigger versions of themselves, or to catalogue
pages, or to a gallery page of a similar class of illos, or to a
text page -- anything. Google only counts the words in the alt tag
if (1) the words are parsed by spaces or hyphens (not
runtogetherwords) and (2) if the illos containing the alt tags are
clickable links.

Example:

center
a href=http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoo.html
img align="bottom" width="500" height="51" hspace="0"
alt=hoodoo-in-theory-and-practice-by-catherine-yronwode
src="http://www.luckymojo.com/blackcatbar.gif"
/a
/center

I think you are wrong.

Stacey found out that alt tags are indexed. I have confirmed
it no long ago - and the picture with the word that was added to Google
index was just picture, not a link.

See my post 'alt="" indexed' from the last Wendesday.

Best,
Borek
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BATE - program for pH calculations
CASC - Concentration and Solution Calculator
pH lectures - guide to hand pH calculation with examples

Stacey wrote:

"David" <seodave (AT) search-engine-optimization-services (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:t170n1dn151hib2e7bb8l3o9ha1su5catg (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
snip

I was going to use Oscommerce for a project and there is a SEO version
available, still needs a little work in terms of full optimisation,
but it's better than having session ids that mess your sites indexing
up!


Dave there is a situation about OScommerce, will email you about it with the
details.


Stacey

Situation? am I alowed to be informed? Oscommerce rules IMHO, some of
the pay for carts (Erol blehh) have nothing on how customisable and
suported oscomm is.

CRE Loaded is the way to go. An what i going to do is add some optmised
pages

My session id's are gone google hasnt caught up yet.

J

--
James Helliwell
Firespin Design
w. www.firespin.co.uk
West Sussex Company specializing in
Web, Print Design, Illustration,
Hosting services and Support.
Affordable prices.

catherine yronwode wrote:

James Helliwell wrote:

James

David
--
Free Search Engine Optimization Tutorial
http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/


Do as David says. Make a separate page (a static, not session ID
tagged page) for each of the many topics listed above as possible
and make sure that in the aggregated 5 - 6 pages you select, all the
OTHER keyword phrases occur as written.

I will do im going to use wordtracker to get lots of phrases and build
static pages around them to my site.


As i have said, you'll want a number of paragraphs and several illos
per page. The illos should have alt tags that are embedded in links
that link to other pages.

illos'? .. photo's or hyper-links you meen?o added pr both


illos = illustrations = pictures. But in order for the picture's alt
tag to count with google, the illustration must itself be a link to
... somewhere or something.

Illos can be links to bigger versions of themselves, or to catalogue
pages, or to a gallery page of a similar class of illos, or to a
text page -- anything. Google only counts the words in the alt tag
if (1) the words are parsed by spaces or hyphens (not
runtogetherwords) and (2) if the illos containing the alt tags are
clickable links.

Example:

center
a href=http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoo.html
img align="bottom" width="500" height="51" hspace="0"
alt=hoodoo-in-theory-and-practice-by-catherine-yronwode
src="http://www.luckymojo.com/blackcatbar.gif"
/a
/center

Cordially,

cat yronwode

I didnt know that! my alts are always written with spaces and most of
images I have are clickbale for larger images etc or links to somthing.


--
James Helliwell
Firespin Design
w. www.firespin.co.uk
West Sussex Company specializing in
Web, Print Design, Illustration,
Hosting services and Support.
Affordable prices.

"James Helliwell" <james (AT) firespin (DOT) co.uk> wrote

Stacey wrote:
"David" <seodave (AT) search-engine-optimization-services (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
message news:t170n1dn151hib2e7bb8l3o9ha1su5catg (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
snip

I was going to use Oscommerce for a project and there is a SEO version
available, still needs a little work in terms of full optimisation,
but it's better than having session ids that mess your sites indexing
up!


Dave there is a situation about OScommerce, will email you about it with
the details.


Stacey

Situation? am I alowed to be informed? Oscommerce rules IMHO, some of
the pay for carts (Erol blehh) have nothing on how customisable and
suported oscomm is.

Umm, it is a SEO situation with them. I have to check with Dave and see if
he see the same thing I do.

CRE Loaded is the way to go. An what i going to do is add some optmised
pages

I would wait on that until what Dave thinks.


Stacey

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:33:13 +0000 (UTC), James Helliwell
<james (AT) firespin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Stacey wrote:
"David" <seodave (AT) search-engine-optimization-services (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:t170n1dn151hib2e7bb8l3o9ha1su5catg (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
snip

I was going to use Oscommerce for a project and there is a SEO version
available, still needs a little work in terms of full optimisation,
but it's better than having session ids that mess your sites indexing
up!


Dave there is a situation about OScommerce, will email you about it with the
details.


Stacey



Situation? am I alowed to be informed?

And perhaps this might be shared with the rest of us?

Oscommerce rules IMHO, some of
the pay for carts (Erol blehh) have nothing on how customisable and
suported oscomm is.

CRE Loaded is the way to go. An what i going to do is add some optmised
pages

My session id's are gone google hasnt caught up yet.

Give it a little time.

BB

--
www.kruse.co.uk/ seo (AT) kruse (DOT) demon.co.uk
The buffalo have gone

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 09:46:35 +0000 (UTC), James Helliwell
<james (AT) firespin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

David wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:57:24 +0000 (UTC), James Helliwell
snip
gibson guitar clothing 18 16
Vintage Gibson Guitars Inventory 17 15

287 of these in total so plenty of traffic available for what you
would think isn't a major SERP.

It's the 4th most popular guitar related search as well.

Are you saying I could consivably go for 100's of very small targeted
search terms Am joining wordtracker for a month as well.

Absolutely yes. Why stop at hundreds, go for tens of thousands to give
you a few examples from the 10s of thousands of SERPs my sites have,
here's numbers 650 to 750 of 159,198 Total Search Strings used to find
my literature site (everything under classic-literature.co.uk) in
October.

650 31 0.01% greek dictionary
651 31 0.01% halloween mad libs
652 31 0.01% haunted hotels
653 31 0.01% idylls of the king summary
654 31 0.01% james boswell
655 31 0.01% kids poems
656 31 0.01% petrarch poetry
657 31 0.01% phedre summary
658 31 0.01% raymond souster poems
659 31 0.01% rikki-tikki-tavi
660 31 0.01% robert hass poems
661 31 0.01% romantic poets
662 31 0.01% shakespeare problem plays
663 31 0.01% sherlock holmes stories
664 31 0.01% sherlock holmes the red headed league
665 31 0.01% short baby poems
666 31 0.01% short spanish poems
667 31 0.01% spooky poetry
668 31 0.01% the white devil john webster
669 31 0.01% translation of dna
670 31 0.01% villette summary
671 31 0.01% visayan dictionary
672 30 0.01% 60th birthday poems
673 30 0.01% book of samuel
674 30 0.01% botanical encyclopedia
675 30 0.01% business encyclopedia
676 30 0.01% cat evolution
677 30 0.01% darwin books
678 30 0.01% dido queen of carthage
679 30 0.01% dna transcription
680 30 0.01% eugene onegin summary
681 30 0.01% freaky poems
682 30 0.01% french love poetry
683 30 0.01% fruit fly genetics
684 30 0.01% funny baby poems
685 30 0.01% funny children's poems
686 30 0.01% funny poems about school
687 30 0.01% goosebumps
688 30 0.01% kidnapped by stevenson
689 30 0.01% legend of sleepy hollow summary
690 30 0.01% lonely planet sardinia
691 30 0.01% macbeth translation
692 30 0.01% mark twain what is man
693 30 0.01% masque of the red death
694 30 0.01% nizar kabbani
695 30 0.01% njal's saga summary
696 30 0.01% poem books
697 30 0.01% poems about pregnancy
698 30 0.01% poems about women
699 30 0.01% poems on summer
700 30 0.01% raymond souster
701 30 0.01% shakespeare tempest
702 30 0.01% sherlock holmes: a scandal in bohemia
703 30 0.01% short anniversary poems
704 30 0.01% short poetry
705 30 0.01% short romantic poems
706 30 0.01% teacher poetry
707 30 0.01% ted hughes poetry
708 30 0.01% thank you quotes
709 30 0.01% veterinary encyclopedia
710 30 0.01% what to wear in rome
711 29 0.01% antonyms finder
712 29 0.01% baby blessings
713 29 0.01% birthday poems for a sister
714 29 0.01% children encyclopedia
715 29 0.01% christopher marlowe hero and leander
716 29 0.01% deltora quest
717 29 0.01% dictionary english-thai
718 29 0.01% edgar allan poe the oval portrait
719 29 0.01% evolution of horse
720 29 0.01% francis bacon biography
721 29 0.01% happy birthday poem
722 29 0.01% helen steiner rice poems
723 29 0.01% king james
724 29 0.01% life on the mississippi summary
725 29 0.01% movement in plants
726 29 0.01% poem funeral
727 29 0.01% poems about baby
728 29 0.01% poems about change
729 29 0.01% poems for childrens
730 29 0.01% rome street map
731 29 0.01% shakespeare novels
732 29 0.01% shakespeare's lover
733 29 0.01% sherman alexie poetry
734 29 0.01% short family poems
735 29 0.01% short halloween poems
736 29 0.01% steinbeck books
737 29 0.01% the valley of fear
738 29 0.01% the works of mark twain
739 29 0.01% venus and adonis summary
740 29 0.01% young goodman brown summary
741 28 0.01% adventure of the speckled band
742 28 0.01% angels
743 28 0.01% bodas de sangre summary
744 28 0.01% books by mark twain
745 28 0.01% dna models
746 28 0.01% drug dictionary
747 28 0.01% eliza haywood
748 28 0.01% funny poems about teachers
749 28 0.01% funny short poems
750 28 0.01% funny spanish poems

That's roughly 1 visitor a day per SERP, so ~3,000 visitors that month
for those SERPs. That site had 159,198 SERPs in October.

Total visitors 523,189 for October.

Highest traffic SERP brought 1750 visitors in October, so ~56 visitors
a day.

Also works out that each SERP (159,198 of them) on average gave 3
visitors a month :-))

The traffic is also highly targeted to the pages the visitors go to as
well.

<snip>

Did you know you have session ids on that site? Very bad for
spidering, the bots will spider the new URLs created for each session,
which results in loads of Supplemental Results-

http://www.google.com/search?num=100...id&btnG=Search


Only in Google as it hasnt caught up yet? I think ? If I go to my site I
dont see the id's anymore? just the product name in the URL?

I see session IDs on your site.

I was going to use Oscommerce for a project and there is a SEO version
available, still needs a little work in terms of full optimisation,
but it's better than having session ids that mess your sites indexing
up!

CRE Loaded is the way to go first off, next time im usings that. And
then some of the contributions are already installed. Saves a bit (
alot) of work.

I've run a test site, but decided to put my time into affiliate sites
rather than selling an actual product so never went further. Looked
like it could be optimised quite well though, plenty of variables to
work with which makes it easier to optimise a script like that.

<snip>

Sorry for more help wanted but I think this will be a last make sure im
on the right way post


Terrible this, coming to a public newsgroup expecting help, whatever
next :-))

Thanks

No problem.

James

David
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http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/

"James Helliwell" <james (AT) firespin (DOT) co.uk> wrote

Stacey wrote:
"David" <seodave (AT) search-engine-optimization-services (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
message news:t170n1dn151hib2e7bb8l3o9ha1su5catg (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
snip

I was going to use Oscommerce for a project and there is a SEO version
available, still needs a little work in terms of full optimisation,
but it's better than having session ids that mess your sites indexing
up!


Dave there is a situation about OScommerce, will email you about it with
the details.


Stacey

Situation? am I alowed to be informed? Oscommerce rules IMHO, some of
the pay for carts (Erol blehh) have nothing on how customisable and
suported oscomm is.

CRE Loaded is the way to go. An what i going to do is add some optmised
pages

My session id's are gone google hasnt caught up yet.

Ok, I told Dave what I had found. You can make it work if done correctly.

Stacey

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:33:13 +0000 (UTC), James Helliwell
<james (AT) firespin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Stacey wrote:
"David" <seodave (AT) search-engine-optimization-services (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:t170n1dn151hib2e7bb8l3o9ha1su5catg (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
snip

I was going to use Oscommerce for a project and there is a SEO version
available, still needs a little work in terms of full optimisation,
but it's better than having session ids that mess your sites indexing
up!


Dave there is a situation about OScommerce, will email you about it with the
details.


Stacey



Situation? am I alowed to be informed? Oscommerce rules IMHO, some of
the pay for carts (Erol blehh) have nothing on how customisable and
suported oscomm is.

The bog standard Oscommerce shop is not very good for the search
engines, the title of every page is Oscommerce and the URLs use
session IDs, so out the box it's worse than a lot of commercial
products (mot much worse as most are just as bad!).

However, there are modules that fix a lot of the problems, I've seen
the results of the modules and they aren't bad. They are far from
perfect, but as a starting point you can do far worse.

CRE Loaded is the way to go. An what i going to do is add some optmised
pages

I had a look through the contributions at Oscommerce and couldn't find
any called CRE Loaded, do you have a link?

Might be interesting to optimise Oscommerce fully and sell copies.

My session id's are gone google hasnt caught up yet.

J

When I looked early all your menu links had session ids still.

David
--
Free Search Engine Optimization Tutorial
http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/