abuse

Anyone know what the Google or Yahoo response time is on these issues ?
Or who to complain to on MSN ?

We complained over a week ago, and no response or action yet from either
Google or Yahoo.

See the offending page at http://www.waterlowcharitychristmascards.co.uk/

If you look at it in a normal browser, with javascript on, it's selling
Christmas cards, and makes no mention of other vendors.
If you turn javascript off, you (like the search engines) see a huge
noscript section, the last paragraph of which says:
"Waterlow Christmas cards is owned by Powell Print Limited, an
independent company with no links to the following - Charity Guild,
Collisons, Care Cards, CCA, CCA Direct, CCA Group, Kingsmead, Astra
Imprints, Fresstyle Impressions, Art in Design, J Arthur Dixon, Issi,
Camington, Printing Direct, NEBS, Yewbank, 4C, Standard Forms, Almanac,
Christmas Collection, Card Aid, Unicef, Charity Cards, Scottish
Christmas Cards, Christmas Connections, Clinton Cards, Water Aid,
Company Christmas Cards".

This is a long list of all their rivals' names and trademarks, included
purely for spamming purposes as far as I can see - and it works very
effectively.
Enter "yewbank personalised" in a search to any of Google, Yahoo, or
MSN, and the Waterlow site is number one.

Similarly for many of the others - I've checked issi, christmas
connections, and the various cca sites - some of which haven't launched
yet (waterlow has been up for a while, and started actually selling on
1-July).

So, we've complained to Google and Yahoo. We can't find how to complain
to MSN (we found something for registered trademarks, but nothing for
company names).
Ten days on, there's no change in search engine results, no
acknowledgement, nothing.

Is it spam ?

Should we (as a rival business being abused) be doing it as well, if
google (and the others) can't or won't take action, and are busy driving
our customers to our rival's website ? The moral high ground doesn't
appear to deliver the revenue, but we don't want to get banned, if/when
google and others get around to taking action.

We spend good money on google ad words, but competing with this will get
seriously expensive, if it's even possible.

Most of the other search engines seem to be either minor players, or
based on data from those three (google, yahoo, msn), so I haven't looked
too hard at them - are there any worth attention ?

Thanks
Chris

(previously posted to c.i.w.a.site-design)

Chris Sharman wrote:

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1. Report Abuse
http://www.schestowitz.com/report-spam/

2. Quit whining.

3. Get to work.

Fred

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by the Major Search Engines Themselves
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canadafred wrote:

Chris Sharman wrote:

snip

1. Report Abuse
http://www.schestowitz.com/report-spam/

Thanks - two of those I had, for what they're worth, the MSN one was new
to me, and led to another page which promises a response.

2. Quit whining.

Who's whining ?

3. Get to work.

'Work' is pursuing my employer's interests - which includes stopping
rivals from poaching our business, if possible.
I've heard of google barring sites for 30 days or longer - I'd like the
Powell Print Ltd cowboys encouraged to behave, or barred. If that's not
going to happen, then I need to present this 'spamming' as a business
option, to ensure a level playing field - we can't win paying pence per
click when they can get to no 1 on the free list by spamming.

Chris

Chris Sharman wrote:

canadafred wrote:
Chris Sharman wrote:

snip

<snip>

2. Quit whining.

Who's whining ?

"...our customers to our rival's website ? " That's sure has the air of
whining in my books

3. Get to work.

'Work' is ...

I meant "Get to work" building quality content within your own web site
and quit looking at the decomposed fornicators as issues in your search
engine demises.

Stop signing the ..
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"Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman (AT) sorry (DOT) nospam> wrote

Anyone know what the Google or Yahoo response time is on these issues ?
Or who to complain to on MSN ?

We complained over a week ago, and no response or action yet from either
Google or Yahoo.

See the offending page at http://www.waterlowcharitychristmascards.co.uk/

If you look at it in a normal browser, with javascript on, it's selling
Christmas cards, and makes no mention of other vendors.
If you turn javascript off, you (like the search engines) see a huge
noscript section, the last paragraph of which says:
"Waterlow Christmas cards is owned by Powell Print Limited, an independent
company with no links to the following - Charity Guild, Collisons, Care
Cards, CCA, CCA Direct, CCA Group, Kingsmead, Astra Imprints, Fresstyle
Impressions, Art in Design, J Arthur Dixon, Issi, Camington, Printing
Direct, NEBS, Yewbank, 4C, Standard Forms, Almanac, Christmas Collection,
Card Aid, Unicef, Charity Cards, Scottish Christmas Cards, Christmas
Connections, Clinton Cards, Water Aid, Company Christmas Cards".

Reminds me of that TV show "Get Smart" where Agent 86 would always tell
Agent 99's mother that he was in the greeting card business. Then a big
fight would ensue with rival secret agents and the mother would say "I never
knew the greeting card business was so competitve."