8000 links over night appeared on this site. google error?

http://www.ibes.pl/

This site belongs to a friend of mine. He did nothing to build links
or optimizes it. Then one day google reported 8000+ links and he has a
PR6. We both do not know what happened. We are both very honest in
terms of SEO. We just are trying to figure out how google game him 8000
links and a PR6 over night! And it has been about a month now.

__/ [Marco] on Friday 28 October 2005 11:39 \__

http://www.ibes.pl/

This site belongs to a friend of mine. He did nothing to build links
or optimizes it. Then one day google reported 8000+ links and he has a
PR6. We both do not know what happened. We are both very honest in
terms of SEO. We just are trying to figure out how google game him 8000
links and a PR6 over night! And it has been about a month now.

Having gone through these links, it seems as though many blogs are pointing
at that site. I haven't descended to these blogs and ensured there was no
mistake, but it sure seems like good accumulation of IBL's from genuine
blogrolls (not only blogs nonetheless).

Be aware that public display of backlinks in Google gets updated once in
about 40-50 days, so the overnight changes is not out of the blue. 0 -> 8000
hump, however, would raise some red alarms at the Google headquarters. I
would not worry...

I hope this post was not an obscure type of self-promotion...

Roy

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Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

I hope this post was not an obscure type of self-promotion...

Who needs that if one can get 8000+ links in a short time :-D.

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__/ [John Bokma] on Friday 28 October 2005 12:12 \__

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

I hope this post was not an obscure type of self-promotion...

Who needs that if one can get 8000+ links in a short time :-D.

What I found surprising was the the Webmaster did not anticipate that surge

and suspected it was an error rather than investigating to attain
re-assurance.

As if...

"Damn these spammers! How dare they link to my site so heavily? They will
have me banned... as if excessive growth leads to demise."

Roy

PS - Tell your friend that if 8,000 links is too much, we are willing to
share them in this newsgroup... you know, handle the workload...

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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:49:31 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
<newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

__/ [Marco] on Friday 28 October 2005 11:39 \__

http://www.ibes.pl/

This site belongs to a friend of mine. He did nothing to build links
or optimizes it. Then one day google reported 8000+ links and he has a
PR6. We both do not know what happened. We are both very honest in
terms of SEO. We just are trying to figure out how google game him 8000
links and a PR6 over night! And it has been about a month now.

Having gone through these links, it seems as though many blogs are pointing
at that site. I haven't descended to these blogs and ensured there was no
mistake, but it sure seems like good accumulation of IBL's from genuine
blogrolls (not only blogs nonetheless).

Be aware that public display of backlinks in Google gets updated once in
about 40-50 days, so the overnight changes is not out of the blue. 0 -> 8000
hump, however, would raise some red alarms at the Google headquarters. I
would not worry...

I hope this post was not an obscure type of self-promotion...

Roy

That's what I thought about that seo software suite that was mentioned
earlier - you wandered right into it...
I suppose the meaning behind "born yesterday" was lost on you, hmmmm?

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I will let you know if we figure out...and let us know if anyone wants
to look further.. but again we are both honest with SEO and anti-spam.
We drilled down to the links that google reported and could not find
any real www.ibes.pl links that really pointed to his site. What we
saw was links that had "des" in the achor text which google might
confuse with "ibes" -as a side not the english version of the same site
has a PR2. I think this was even a PR1 before google's mistake.

__/ [Marco] on Friday 28 October 2005 14:15 \__

I will let you know if we figure out...and let us know if anyone wants
to look further.. but again we are both honest with SEO and anti-spam.
We drilled down to the links that google reported and could not find
any real www.ibes.pl links that really pointed to his site. What we
saw was links that had "des" in the achor text which google might
confuse with "ibes" -as a side not the english version of the same site
has a PR2. I think this was even a PR1 before google's mistake.

Hmmm.... interesting... that's why I explicitly said that I did not descend
to the sites and checked the genuineness of the links.

This sounds like a programming mistake... "des" and "debug" were the first
things to crop in my mind. You see, search engine algorithms are not
mission-critical, so they are likely to be poorly tested. In fact, it is
also likely that hacks ('Easter eggs') are left in tact just so that the
folks at Google can run some experiments and reach conclusions. We all all
just mice in a large maze with secret passages.

I wonder if Google will spot a bug, or perhaps it is just a fluke that will
ultimately get swept away. Either way, enjoy it while it lasts!

Greetings,

Roy

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__/ [Big Bill] on Friday 28 October 2005 14:06 \__

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:49:31 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

__/ [Marco] on Friday 28 October 2005 11:39 \__

http://www.ibes.pl/

This site belongs to a friend of mine. He did nothing to build links
or optimizes it. Then one day google reported 8000+ links and he has a
PR6. We both do not know what happened. We are both very honest in
terms of SEO. We just are trying to figure out how google game him 8000
links and a PR6 over night! And it has been about a month now.

Having gone through these links, it seems as though many blogs are pointing
at that site. I haven't descended to these blogs and ensured there was no
mistake, but it sure seems like good accumulation of IBL's from genuine
blogrolls (not only blogs nonetheless).

Be aware that public display of backlinks in Google gets updated once in
about 40-50 days, so the overnight changes is not out of the blue. 0 -
8000 hump, however, would raise some red alarms at the Google headquarters.
I would not worry...

I hope this post was not an obscure type of self-promotion...

Roy

That's what I thought about that seo software suite that was mentioned
earlier - you wandered right into it...
I suppose the meaning behind "born yesterday" was lost on you, hmmmm?

He posted the message twice, but he then replied to your/my message, which
implied he was not a troll at least...

These things are very subtle.

Roy


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Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

first things to crop in my mind. You see, search engine algorithms are
not mission-critical, so they are likely to be poorly tested.

Are you serious?

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__/ [John A.] on Friday 28 October 2005 14:16 \__

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:49:31 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:
Be aware that public display of backlinks in Google gets updated once in
about 40-50 days, so the overnight changes is not out of the blue.

I see little adjustments much more often than that. About 3-5 times as
often, I'd say.

But these changes are usually very mild, more like slight corrections or
re-alignments. According to update tables I have seen, only when there is a
global effect, that ought to count as an IBL update.

Roy