Vista

I would say go with Vista if you are going with those processors as long as you
have the memory in the system. Depending on how large your files are in
programs like Illustrator or Photoshop in the design suite would depend on
whether or not I would say go with the 64-bit OS. I say this thinking shortly
into the future.

This is because no CS3 application is designed specifically for a 64-bit OS
although CS4 and beyond has this feature planned. However, the reason this is
planned is because of the memory necessary to work with large documents. For
example, some Photoshop documents easily can take up 1GB of space on your hard
drive and if you have multiple documents open or if you are merging documents,
you can see my point about the memory.

If you feel you fall into this category of working with larger PS, Illustrator
or movie files (probably Flash movies encoded in H.264 format) then I would say
go with the 64-bit version for future expansion.

It's like I said with the few applications where there are differences. I
know Winzip is one that came up when I built my last PC because I could not
find a free archiving alternative. Symantec's Norton 360 and McAfee tend to
have 64-bit versions of A/V programs but some of the free A/V programs may not
be 64-bit ready yet. Games also tend to take advantage of 64-bit processing
right now, but that is just a side point to this discussion.

If you are building for the future and are considering the 64-bit do the
following. Look at the major applications you use and go to their websites and
see how many support 64-bit. Many may not specify this, but if you search
Google or contact their support they may be able to give you a better idea.

So I guess to sum this all up I would say if you are building for the future
go 64-bit. However, if there is a mission critical application that you cannot
do without, then you should either 1. Figure out if you can wait till their
update, or 2. stick with 32-bit and consider reformatting down the line. If
you do choose option 2 with Vista, you will want to consider Vista Ultimate
Retail Boxed version because that is the only version that MS will give you the
32-bit and 64-bit disc in the same package.

So you think I could ride out XP and bypass Vista altogether??

That's exactly what MS's partner Intel is doing. ;o)

-Darrel

Nope.

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"Gary" <garywpaul (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote

I should have expanded my question a little further...

It lookes like my choice is a dual core e220 with XP, or beefing up to a
Quad core, which I would have to get Vista...

My main concern is the CS3.3 Design Package...does this change any input?

Thanks

gary
"SnakEyez02" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Vista is fairly solid at this point. And it will be around for another 2
years
or so. Here is the thing, if you are getting a new computer with this
option
just consider this. As far as Vista is concerned you will need a minimum
of
2GB of memory in your system. Memory prices are low right now so it is
not too
bad.

When it comes to Vista though there are 2 options, 32-bit and 64-bit.
There
is this option in XP, but I would recommend XP 32-bit over 64-bit. When
it
comes to the 32-bit vs 64-bit discussion right now most people will argue
that
32-bit is more stable. This is because applications like archiving
applications (ie: Winzip) have different 32-bit and 64-bit versions and
in some
instances they are the only game in town which has 64-bit compression (I
believe there may be another, but I know, for example, StuffIt on Windows
does
not support 64-bit). There are also drivers, but using 64-bit Vista
myself I
can say that 64-bit drivers are not an issue for major manufacturers (ie:
HP,
Lexmark, nVidia, ATI). Also currently CS3 is not certified for Vista
64-bit,
although with the next versions Lightroom and I believe Photoshop will be
64-bit certified. Basically the 64-bit means that you can handle over
4GB of
memory allowing for easier times working with very large files.

Supposedly Vista was supposed to be the last version of Windows to
support
32-bit, however, MS announced awhile back that Windows 7 (release date
2010)
will officially be the last 32-bit OS from MS. And if you need to move
from
32-bit to 64-bit you do need to reformat the drive. So if you deal a lot
with
big files and serious design/movies I would recommend the 64-bit version
to
avoid facing this issue of 32-bit applications moving out down the road.

I know it's a lot to think about but it is a transitional period for
Windows.

Ahh. Wave to her for me! 8)

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"Gary" <garywpaul (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote

No Refreshing required... I had posted a question about a site I was
developing, she had responded, then noticed the address of the company and
mentioned that you lived close by...


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Ps... I had been corresponding with your daughter for a while...I am in
King of Prussia typing this,

Refresh my memory, please?

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"Gary" <garywpaul (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Thanks for the reply... I was wondering if there are any installation
issues or issues of incompatibility. It is my understanding the Vista
is MS way of gently introducing the 64 bit archeticture... Is the new
Design package fully set up for Vista?

Thanks again.

gary

Ps... I had been corresponding with your daughter for a while...I am in
King of Prussia typing this,

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Vista takes a little getting used to, but I've had no problems since
doing that.

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"Gary" <garywpaul (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote in message
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I am thinking of upgrading my computer, and need to make a choice of XP
and Vista. I have Design Studio Premium, am thinking of yet again
upgrading to the latest CS3.3.

Will I have any issues if I go with Vista? Am I short sighted to stay
with XP because in a short while I will have to go the Vista way
anyway?

..oO(SnakEyez02)

This is because no CS3 application is designed specifically for a 64-bit OS
although CS4 and beyond has this feature planned. However, the reason this is
planned is because of the memory necessary to work with large documents. For
example, some Photoshop documents easily can take up 1GB of space on your hard
drive and if you have multiple documents open or if you are merging documents,
you can see my point about the memory.

If you feel you fall into this category of working with larger PS, Illustrator
or movie files (probably Flash movies encoded in H.264 format) then I would say
go with the 64-bit version for future expansion.

But first make sure that you can find drivers for all the hardware you
need. There are still a lot of products for which there simply are no 64
bit drivers available.

IMHO 64 bit in an home environment doesn't make much sense yet (the
above scenario might be an exception). And about the question whether
Vista or XP - well, there already were such discussions here. Should be
easy enough to find in the archive.

My personal advice would be to stay with XP, simply because of all the
problems I've encountered with the 64 bit Vista on my stepbrother's LAN.

Micha

On 02 Jul 2008 in macromedia.dreamweaver, Michael Fesser wrote:

IMHO 64 bit in an home environment doesn't make much sense yet (the
above scenario might be an exception). And about the question
whether Vista or XP - well, there already were such discussions
here. Should be easy enough to find in the archive.

My personal advice would be to stay with XP, simply because of all
the problems I've encountered with the 64 bit Vista on my
stepbrother's LAN.

Not that I'm advocating for or against Vista, but it comes in both 32 and
64 bit flavors...

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Michael Fesser wrote:

..oO(SnakEyez02)

This is because no CS3 application is designed specifically for a 64-bit OS
although CS4 and beyond has this feature planned. However, the reason this is
planned is because of the memory necessary to work with large documents. For
example, some Photoshop documents easily can take up 1GB of space on your hard
drive and if you have multiple documents open or if you are merging documents,
you can see my point about the memory.

If you feel you fall into this category of working with larger PS, Illustrator
or movie files (probably Flash movies encoded in H.264 format) then I would say
go with the 64-bit version for future expansion.

But first make sure that you can find drivers for all the hardware you
need. There are still a lot of products for which there simply are no 64
bit drivers available.

IMHO 64 bit in an home environment doesn't make much sense yet (the
above scenario might be an exception). And about the question whether
Vista or XP - well, there already were such discussions here. Should be
easy enough to find in the archive.

My personal advice would be to stay with XP, simply because of all the
problems I've encountered with the 64 bit Vista on my stepbrother's LAN.

Micha

Maybe I have misunderstood the difference between 32bit and 64bit, but I
thought it was purely down to maths, having a 64bit bus means you can do
64bit maths, if your programs don't do maths that need that large a
number, then there is no need to use a 64bit OS. Yes it can take more
memory, thats cos it needs it to take advantage of the extra bus size to
store the answers to the maths involved. Video creation needs it, or 3d
rendering for sure, and games, but Dreamweaver? Photoshop? Nah, they
don't do number crunching that requires 64bit processing.

Steve

So do I need to set some global parameter as to 32 or 64, or does it
automatically format itself depending on what you are running??

Thank you all for your input.

gary

PS...I'll send a hello to Virginia tonight..


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On 02 Jul 2008 in macromedia.dreamweaver, Michael Fesser wrote:

IMHO 64 bit in an home environment doesn't make much sense yet (the
above scenario might be an exception). And about the question
whether Vista or XP - well, there already were such discussions
here. Should be easy enough to find in the archive.

My personal advice would be to stay with XP, simply because of all
the problems I've encountered with the 64 bit Vista on my
stepbrother's LAN.

Not that I'm advocating for or against Vista, but it comes in both 32 and
64 bit flavors...

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Email: http://makowiec.net/contact.php

Gary - If you are buying a new computer through retail channels you will be
given the option. And if you a building one you have the same option. Thus
the retail box would be out of the question. This Windows site also gives some
good information, such as how there is no upgrade path at this time. There is
no separate installation on the same disc and it will not ask you. The disc
will either be for 32-bit or 64-bit with the only exception being the Retail
Boxed copy of Vista Ultimate which I previously mentioned.


http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/win...4f2c-8fb9-149b
dc5c8a701033.mspx

Dooza, basically that is the difference. But it also concerns the dll files
of some programs. If a dll program doesn't realize it is in a 64-bit OS, it
will try to write the 64-bits into 2- 32-bit pieces, which generates Windows
errors. StuffIt for Windows is a program that does this, which is why it
generates errors. Also don't forget about Photoshop Extended. I would say
having it would help with larger files, but for the average user it doesn't do
a whole lot yet although it is being phased out. See this article for some
good explanations:

http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2008/04...hop_lr_64.html