Video Clip Formats

"Malcolm _" <malcom (AT) mon (DOT) org> wrote

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:07:50 -0500, "Hunter Elliott"
Vimeo is similar to YouTube... when you upload the video file, it converts
it to a Flash FLV file for progressive video downloads... so it's kind of
hypocritical for you to complain about people bowing down to the Big Flash
altar and then telling her to check out something that converts it to
Flash
video



Does it - opps sorry :-))

I had just seen a film on it after being refered to another list.
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heh, no probs, Malcolm. I, too, hate to see Flash used for inappropriate
items, like navigation as you pointed out. However in this case, converting
video to an FLV file will allow for the progressive downloading of the video
and the video can be compressed to a far smaller filesize than a normal
AVI/WMV/QT/MOV/DV/etc. I would say that this is a good use of Flash

"Malcolm _" <malcom (AT) mon (DOT) org> wrote

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:26:47 -0400, "P@tty Ayers ~ACE"
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Silly, nobody's talking about bowing. How about just not having an
irrational negative response every time Flash is mentioned? :-) This is
a
perfect example of something that Flash does better than any other
technology.


OK - hands up Patty - maybe I am - but I just don't like ANY
proprietary format - be it image, server ( i.e. Coldfusion , ASP .NET
)

That's doesn't mean I'm saying NOT using it at all - just that I see
Flash used for inappropriate things far too often like navigation etc
etc..
I plead guilty to finding it irritating and try to avoid commenting
too often - I just let Murray do it :-)

so apologises for letting my prejudices show sometimes.

No apology necessary - and I didn't mean to sound harsh. I just fail to see
the reason for the negativity. Any tool or technology is bad if used
wrongly. Fire can be used for arson, but when someone suggests lighting a
candle, you probably don't say, "We don't need to bow down to Big Fire - it
gets used all too often for inappropriate things." :-)

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Fire can be used for arson, but when someone suggests lighting a
candle, you probably don't say, "We don't need to bow down to Big Fire -
it gets used all too often for inappropriate things." :-)

Right, but Fire is open source. ;o)

-Darrel

Sorry enthios but Flash is the way to go at this time. That's the reality if you want it to be as easy as possible for your viewers. I don't get all the negativity.

same with water -

Not necessarily. Water is becoming increasingly corporate owned and
controlled. ;0)

_Darrel

"darrel" <notreal (AT) notreal (DOT) com> wrote

Fire can be used for arson, but when someone suggests lighting a
candle, you probably don't say, "We don't need to bow down to Big Fire -
it gets used all too often for inappropriate things." :-)

Right, but Fire is open source. ;o)

I guess I just don't see why a technology for converting video has to be
open-source. I understand and agree that open-source is very positive and
cool, but I don't need every technology I use for every client to be
open-source.


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"Malcolm _" <malcom (AT) mon (DOT) org> wrote

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:26:26 -0400, "P@tty Ayers ~ACE"
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I guess I just don't see why a technology for converting video has to be
open-source. I understand and agree that open-source is very positive and
cool, but I don't need every technology I use for every client to be
open-source.


Maybe Open Standard is a better term:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard

or

International Telecommunication Union

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITU-T

These ensure that the worldwide telecommunications systems work - so
we can all talk on the phone, share data, watch TV ( despite SECAM,
PAL, NTSC standards etc ).


http://www.iso.org/iso/home.htm

International Standards Organization

So why not the WWW ( W3C being part )

But why? Why is it important for a video format to be open source or open
standard?

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..oO(P@tty Ayers ~ACE)

But why? Why is it important for a video format to be open source or open
standard?

To make it platform-independent, more reliable and more secure. It's
always good to have open standards and multiple implementations.

Micha

But why? Why is it important for a video format to be open source or open
standard?

I bought a new TV and cancelled cable. I'd really like to watch web video on
my new TV via a Wii or the PS3. Unfortunately, most all web video is Flash
format, requiring flash, so one needs to depend on Adobe to care enough to
build flash software for all browser agents...which they don't for the Wii
or PS3.

If it were open source, there's a higher likelihood that someone would be
able to enable that for those users.

With people accessing the web on more and more browser devices, I think it's
a fair argument to push for more open standards and open source options.

Everything doesn't HAVE to be and open standard. It'd just be really nice if
it were.

-Darrel

"darrel" <notreal (AT) notreal (DOT) com> wrote

Everything doesn't HAVE to be and open standard. It'd just be really nice
if it were.

That, I understand, and agree with. But maybe it would be more effective if
people who feel strongly about it would suggest an open-standard
alternative - or say nothing at all. :-)

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