Very Basic Question

On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:41:01 +0000 (UTC), "gurgsprout"
<webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote:

4 scroll bars?!?!? I only see one, the one for the main text frame. Where are
you seeing the other 3? Can you please take a snapshot of your screen so I can
see what needs work?

See http://apptools.com/images/temp/tokyoheights.jpg

I too don't like the layout, but with exams coming up I just don't have the
time needed. I fnd this whole process extremely tedious trial and error which
is not only annoying because it can go on for hours, but especially annoying to
know that if you just had one guy who knew what he was doing stand over your
shoulder, the entire process could be squashed into 15 minutes, as oppose to
countless hours I've already spent on it. Maybe after finals when I have more
patience I'll back to it...

It's all a matter of learning. It takes time and effort.

Gary

Gary,

Thanks for the screenshot. I changed it to much better format, at the very least its more pleasing to the eye.
Let me know what you think.... http://www.tokyoheights.com

Thanks

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 04:30:19 +0000 (UTC), "gurgsprout"
<webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote:

Let me know what you think.... http://www.tokyoheights.com

I still see the same four scroll bars and the content is still
restricted to that little box.

Gary

Did you hit refresh? Thats really weird cause here is a screen shot of what I
see
http://www.tokyoheights.com/screenshot.jpg

and I see no scroll bars (except for one intended one) and a huge text box.
Although the text may seem restricted into the box, the reality is its the same
horizontal text space as major web blogs like boingboing.net

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:46:54 +0000 (UTC), "gurgsprout"
<webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote:

Did you hit refresh? Thats really weird cause here is a screen shot of what I
see
http://www.tokyoheights.com/screenshot.jpg

and I see no scroll bars (except for one intended one) and a huge text box.
Although the text may seem restricted into the box, the reality is its the same
horizontal text space as major web blogs like boingboing.net

See http://apptools.com/images/temp/tokyoheights2.jpg

Gary

Honestly, I dont know what to tell you. Ive tried the site out on about 4
different computers, 3 windows comps and 1 mac. I've also asked about 2 other
windows users to go to the site, so in total about 5 different computers, and
youre the only one with that problem. Could it simply be that your browser was
resized to be smaller and never maximized since then? Because when I look at
the picture you have, the lower scroll bar is over the tex bubble which means
you have your browser open to, or your monitor setttings are set to, a window
size smaller then that of 800, which is really small. And if thats the case Im
not going to worry about it because most (and when I say most I mean 95% or
more) do not have their monitor set to that size and it if its not a monitor
setting and you physically resized the window, then thats also a non-issue
because physically resizing a window can will give you scroll bars on any site,
so long as you resize the window small enough.

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:42:54 +0000 (UTC), "gurgsprout"
<webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote:

Because when I look at
the picture you have, the lower scroll bar is over the tex bubble which means
you have your browser open to, or your monitor setttings are set to, a window
size smaller then that of 800, which is really small. And if thats the case Im
not going to worry about it because most (and when I say most I mean 95% or
more) do not have their monitor set to that size

Actually, if you check the image, you'll see that the browser was
exactly 800 pixels wide. Global stats may, or may not have any relation
to your target audience, but about a quarter of the general population
still is using 800x600 resolution:
http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2005/September/res.php

Again, I don't know your target audience. Your particular market may be
different.

Resolution, however, is not the only issue. Many users, particularly
those with larger, higher resolution displays, don't maximize their
browser. There is also the issue of various side bars, like history or
favorites that users may have open and using screen real estate. You may
want to look at this for more about window sizes:
http://thepattysite.com/window_sizes1.cfm

Gary

Agreed.

My point though is, that if you are specifically making your browser smaller
so as to maximize real estate space, then there is nothing I can do, as a web
developer, to stop that (shy of making a flash site which I dont know how to
do). So if youre seeing scroll bars because you specifically made your browser
smaller, for any of the numerous valid reasons, then that is out of my control.
I mean technically someone can make the browser so small so as to not even see
the web site (or even turn their computer off altogether!), but if they do,
they can't then post something to a forum saying my site is off because they
can't see it. The issue is, they can see it, they just specifically chose not
to. again, i have no control over that.

I appreciate you mentioning it and i understand you are trying to help, but
lets be honest, if you make your browser smaller, thats perfectly fine, but
thats not a web development issue (except of course for flash, but for html its
not) thats just you choosing to make your browser smaller. I have a feeling if
your browser was maximized, you would not see those scroll bars. If you choose
to not maximize thats fine, there are many valid reasons to not maximize, but
again, thats not a web development issue.

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:45:44 +0000 (UTC), "gurgsprout"
<webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote:

I appreciate you mentioning it and i understand you are trying to help, but
lets be honest, if you make your browser smaller, thats perfectly fine, but
thats not a web development issue (except of course for flash, but for html its
not) thats just you choosing to make your browser smaller. I have a feeling if
your browser was maximized, you would not see those scroll bars. If you choose
to not maximize thats fine, there are many valid reasons to not maximize, but
again, thats not a web development issue.

Okay, I'll make one last point and move on. It's your site and it's up
to you to make those decisions. As I said, about a quarter of the
general population cannot make their browser window wide enough to get
rid of the horizontal scroll bar on the window. Look at the blank areas
on either side of your content. Your content doesn't NEED anywhere near
that much width that it should generate a scroll bar.

Also, there is something flaky about the page you're loading in the
iframe because it generates a horizontal scroll bar in the iframe, but
also when I load that page into an 800 pixel wide browser window. I
don't see what's causing that, but there is something wrong there.

Okay. I'm done. Good luck with it.

Gary

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