Text size

You might have a case for translating 'poof' its a kind of girly inuendo
directed at a bloke

So, you're saying that, in your professional opinion, only effeminate males
should care about basic web accessibility concepts?

-Darrel

Well I hope the people that know me will take it with a pinch of salt. If
anyone needs to ask about text sizing then they are not likely to know
about accessibility so no offence

True, but shouldn't they know a bit about accessibility? ;o)

-Darrel

darrel wrote:

So, you're saying that, in your professional opinion, only effeminate males
should care about basic web accessibility concepts?

It was said with tongue in cheek If you care about thats fine but
dont think EVERYONE should or does

On 17 Oct 2005 in macromedia.dreamweaver, Osgood wrote:

darrel wrote:

So, you're saying that, in your professional opinion, only
effeminate males should care about basic web accessibility
concepts?

It was said with tongue in cheek If you care about thats fine but
dont think EVERYONE should or does

Why not? Among other things, at least considering accessibility
encourages good design practices - valid code, text readability, color
compatibility, semantic markup, alt text, file sizes, ... These same
practices, for the most part, also lead to good design for search engine
optimization.

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Joe Makowiec wrote:

Why not? Among other things, at least considering accessibility
encourages good design practices - valid code, text readability, color
compatibility, semantic markup, alt text, file sizes, ... These same
practices, for the most part, also lead to good design for search engine
optimization.

My biggest problem is all these minority groups whinging about this and
that. I have no time for them. If you do sod off and waste your time,
not mine

I design to the target audience and that does not include minority
groups if its detrimental to the majority. Using % and em based text
sizing in my opinion is because there are clear discrepencies x-brower/
platform.

If you dont come from a design background you'll never in a million
years understand.

My biggest problem is all these minority groups whinging about this and
that. I have no time for them.

The web isn't about minority vs. majority groups.

The web is about thousands of individual minority groups.

I design to the target audience and that does not include minority groups
if its detrimental to the majority.

a) designing to accomodate multiple type sized isn't detrimental to anyone
b) a lot of minority groups depend on resizable type...often equating to
actually being a majority of your users.

If you dont come from a design background you'll never in a million years
understand.

No, what you are saying is 'if you don't come from a print-based graphic
design background'

Good design *is about* accessibility.

-Darrel

darrel wrote:

My biggest problem is all these minority groups whinging about this and
that. I have no time for them.


The web isn't about minority vs. majority groups.

The web is about thousands of individual minority groups.

Yes, I agree. Thousands of minority groups that can easily read 11px
text, with or without a reading aid, that equates to a majority. Not a
minority of a minority that can't read 11px text with or without a
reading aid.

I design to the target audience and that does not include minority groups
if its detrimental to the majority.


a) designing to accomodate multiple type sized isn't detrimental to anyone

Sure it is. I don't design a kids comic in the same way as I design an
adult orientated magazine.

b) a lot of minority groups depend on resizable type...often equating to
actually being a majority of your users.

Now youre trying to tell me that the majority of the global populations
sight cannot be corrected by convention use of glasses....come on behave.

If you dont come from a design background you'll never in a million years
understand.


No, what you are saying is 'if you don't come from a print-based graphic
design background'

I suppose you are saying that those coming from a print-based design
background their opinions do not count. Listen, print design and
presentation was around eons before the web...the web has got a lot of
catching up to do in terms of presentation.

Good design *is about* accessibility.

Just that?

Osgood wrote:

Sure it is. I don't design a kids comic in the same way as I design an
adult orientated magazine.

I would hope not, the pictures in both are from different spectrums.

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jojo wrote:

Osgood wrote:

Sure it is. I don't design a kids comic in the same way as I design an
adult orientated magazine.


I would hope not, the pictures in both are from different spectrums.

So is the text size

Yes, I agree. Thousands of minority groups that can easily read 11px text,
with or without a reading aid, that equates to a majority.

And you base that assumption on what?...

a) designing to accomodate multiple type sized isn't detrimental to anyone

Sure it is. I don't design a kids comic in the same way as I design an
adult orientated magazine.

We're not talking about paper. We're talking about the web.

b) a lot of minority groups depend on resizable type...often equating to
actually being a majority of your users.

Now youre trying to tell me that the majority of the global populations
sight cannot be corrected by convention use of glasses....come on behave.

Do you know that these pople wear glasses all the time? Do you know what PPI
their monitor is set to to accurately know how big 11px is? Do you know how
far they are seated away from their browser? Do you know if perhaps they
just prefer bigger type?

Anyways, even if everyone on the planet could read 11px type perfectly,
there still isn't a really good reason to prevent people from changing it to
their own prefences.

I suppose you are saying that those coming from a print-based design
background their opinions do not count.

Nope. I come from a print design background myself.

I'm saying a lot of print designers who try and build web sites have a
really tough time understanding the basic differences between the
mediums...namely that the web is much less about designer-control and much
more about designer-suggestion mixed with end-user control.

Listen, print design and presentation was around eons before the
web...the web has got a lot of catching up to do in terms of presentation.

They are different things.

Good design *is about* accessibility.

Just that?

No. It's about accessibility. And usability. And ergonomics. And aethetics.
And writing. And color. And form. And message. Etc.

-Darrel